Jeremy Corbyn (Vol. 3)
Discussion
biggbn said:
So politicians should never have met with the ira or other organisations to further dialogue and help bring about the peace process?
Corbyn never had any remit or authority from any government to do so. Corbyn was not a part of any peace process, he had nothing what so ever to do with the Good Friday Agreement. If anything parading round Derry with known PIRA thugs lent them a legitimacy that their use of guns and bombs on civilians did not warrant. The man is the very definition of a useful idiot.fblm said:
Corbyn never had any remit or authority from any government to do so. Corbyn was not a part of any peace process, he had nothing what so ever to do with the Good Friday Agreement. If anything parading round Derry with known PIRA thugs lent them a legitimacy that their use of guns and bombs on civilians did not warrant. The man is the very definition of a useful idiot.
I answered that already man, Jake made same point. 
P5BNij said:
zygalski said:
P5BNij said:
avinalarf said:
biggbn said:
So politicians should never have met with the ira or other organisations to further dialogue and help bring about the peace process?
These meetings are usually held in secret and in a discrete manner.It is only when a form of agreement is in the offing that they become visible.
JC is notorious for being in the company of dubious characters, let alone fellow MPs.
Did that make Thatcher a spineless liar too?
biggbn said:
This used to remind me of Theresa May...now it reminds me of corbyn also....and I suspect it will resonate with the impending Boris premiership...
The fence post tortoise.
While stitching a cut on the hand of a 75 year old farmer, the doctor struck up a conversation with the old man.
Eventually the topic got around to politicians and their role as our leaders.
The old farmer said, " Well, as I see it, most politicians are 'Fence Post Tortoises'.''
Not being familiar with the term, the doctor asked him what a 'fence post tortoise' was.
The old farmer said: "When you're going down a country road and you come across a fence post with a tortoise balanced on top, that's a fence post tortoise."
The old farmer saw the puzzled look on the doctor's face so he continued to explain.
"You know he didn't get up there by himself.
He doesn't belong up there,
He doesn't know what to do while he's up there,
He's elevated beyond his ability to function, and you just wonder what kind of idiot put him up there to begin with."
The fence post tortoise.
While stitching a cut on the hand of a 75 year old farmer, the doctor struck up a conversation with the old man.
Eventually the topic got around to politicians and their role as our leaders.
The old farmer said, " Well, as I see it, most politicians are 'Fence Post Tortoises'.''
Not being familiar with the term, the doctor asked him what a 'fence post tortoise' was.
The old farmer said: "When you're going down a country road and you come across a fence post with a tortoise balanced on top, that's a fence post tortoise."
The old farmer saw the puzzled look on the doctor's face so he continued to explain.
"You know he didn't get up there by himself.
He doesn't belong up there,
He doesn't know what to do while he's up there,
He's elevated beyond his ability to function, and you just wonder what kind of idiot put him up there to begin with."
biggbn said:
jakesmith said:
This is a blatant lie pushed by Corbyn and McDonnell to naive and ignorant people to try and justify his despicable actions and associations now he has profile and is being held to account.
Evidence in 2 parts:
1) he only meets with the side opposed to U.K. / western interests. For example for someone as passionate about Palestinian causes that he can attempt to justify meeting some of the most unpleasant terror groups in the region, when has he met the Israelis or their representatives? Never
2) he was not involved in any way in any peace processes and was not a representative of the government, and had no capacity to negotiate or deliver anything
Jake, am not suggesting he was part of the peace process, but that he has always campaigned for peace and dialogue throughout his career. We have had this discussion before you and I, and I seem to remember you said you did not think he was a racist or anti Semitic either, perhaps am wrong. No point conducting this discussion again and again, hope life is treating you well, have a great day, gbn Evidence in 2 parts:
1) he only meets with the side opposed to U.K. / western interests. For example for someone as passionate about Palestinian causes that he can attempt to justify meeting some of the most unpleasant terror groups in the region, when has he met the Israelis or their representatives? Never
2) he was not involved in any way in any peace processes and was not a representative of the government, and had no capacity to negotiate or deliver anything
I do t think meeting one side of a conflict is anything like, or anything to do with, creating a dialogue
I very reluctantly gave him the benefit of the doubt before as you rightly remember but no more
He is full of ‘I don’t have the authority’ to do this and that. Can he name and condemn individuals? Of course. Does he? Of course not.
You may wish to attempt to shut this discussion down but whilst the lame lie is being repeated about ‘facilitating dialogue’ I will continue to point out how untrue it is so that people can see both sides of the argument with regard to this nasty old racist
jakesmith said:
biggbn said:
jakesmith said:
This is a blatant lie pushed by Corbyn and McDonnell to naive and ignorant people to try and justify his despicable actions and associations now he has profile and is being held to account.
Evidence in 2 parts:
1) he only meets with the side opposed to U.K. / western interests. For example for someone as passionate about Palestinian causes that he can attempt to justify meeting some of the most unpleasant terror groups in the region, when has he met the Israelis or their representatives? Never
2) he was not involved in any way in any peace processes and was not a representative of the government, and had no capacity to negotiate or deliver anything
Jake, am not suggesting he was part of the peace process, but that he has always campaigned for peace and dialogue throughout his career. We have had this discussion before you and I, and I seem to remember you said you did not think he was a racist or anti Semitic either, perhaps am wrong. No point conducting this discussion again and again, hope life is treating you well, have a great day, gbn Evidence in 2 parts:
1) he only meets with the side opposed to U.K. / western interests. For example for someone as passionate about Palestinian causes that he can attempt to justify meeting some of the most unpleasant terror groups in the region, when has he met the Israelis or their representatives? Never
2) he was not involved in any way in any peace processes and was not a representative of the government, and had no capacity to negotiate or deliver anything
I do t think meeting one side of a conflict is anything like, or anything to do with, creating a dialogue
I very reluctantly gave him the benefit of the doubt before as you rightly remember but no more
He is full of ‘I don’t have the authority’ to do this and that. Can he name and condemn individuals? Of course. Does he? Of course not.
You may wish to attempt to shut this discussion down but whilst the lame lie is being repeated about ‘facilitating dialogue’ I will continue to point out how untrue it is so that people can see both sides of the argument with regard to this nasty old racist
Edit. On reflection, I am interested in your point about shutting the discussion down? I'm not sure where you get that idea, surely opposing opinions stimulate debate, a holistic agreement would create an echo chamber and that would shut discussion down. I genuinely enjoy hearing the opposing views and rationales for them, it's why I post.
Edited by biggbn on Thursday 18th July 20:16
I gave him the benefit of the doubt in terms of not calling him an antisemite for three years.
I was against him ever becoming leader, but wasn't certain of his antisemitism.
But this was blatantly antisemitic, and his excuse is utter nonsense: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45301548
As was this: https://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/ex-israeli-amba...
And, in the light of outright antisemitism, everything else is thrown into sharp focus.
I was against him ever becoming leader, but wasn't certain of his antisemitism.
But this was blatantly antisemitic, and his excuse is utter nonsense: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45301548
As was this: https://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/ex-israeli-amba...
And, in the light of outright antisemitism, everything else is thrown into sharp focus.
I am amazed he has lasted this long.
Surely it is only a matter of time?
What I don't understand is even if you remove the types of policies he would implement he just doesn't inspire any confidence. I felt the same about May. They were made for each other as opposition. Perhaps when Boris is in there will be a bit of a shake up.
Surely it is only a matter of time?
What I don't understand is even if you remove the types of policies he would implement he just doesn't inspire any confidence. I felt the same about May. They were made for each other as opposition. Perhaps when Boris is in there will be a bit of a shake up.
Burwood said:
He’ll resign. He’s an old man. Did you see his mother in law ranting. It’s just not worth it. Btw, anyone checked her visa?
That was such an unedifying spectacle for the potential leader of a country, it exemplifies the atmosphere of 'WTF is that all about' that seems to follow him about.NoddyonNitrous said:
Burwood said:
He’ll resign. He’s an old man. Did you see his mother in law ranting. It’s just not worth it. Btw, anyone checked her visa?
That was such an unedifying spectacle for the potential leader of a country, it exemplifies the atmosphere of 'WTF is that all about' that seems to follow him about.
t or us completely inept. Knowing the tv screw are parked outside and he exits mid rant.NoddyonNitrous said:
Burwood said:
He’ll resign. He’s an old man. Did you see his mother in law ranting. It’s just not worth it. Btw, anyone checked her visa?
That was such an unedifying spectacle for the potential leader of a country, it exemplifies the atmosphere of 'WTF is that all about' that seems to follow him about.
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