Jeremy Corbyn (Vol. 3)
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I was quite impressed with JC's declaration of agreement with Boris.
Not only did he agree that it's bad to kill a policeman, but he also agreed that more police was the answer.
https://news.sky.com/video/jeremy-corbyns-reaction...
Make your mind up, man.
BTW, does he know that Jeremy Hunt is above him in Google when you type Jeremy?
Not only did he agree that it's bad to kill a policeman, but he also agreed that more police was the answer.
https://news.sky.com/video/jeremy-corbyns-reaction...
Make your mind up, man.
BTW, does he know that Jeremy Hunt is above him in Google when you type Jeremy?
pingu393 said:
I was quite impressed with JC's declaration of agreement with Boris.
Not only did he agree that it's bad to kill a policeman, but he also agreed that more police was the answer.
https://news.sky.com/video/jeremy-corbyns-reaction...
Make your mind up, man.
BTW, does he know that Jeremy Hunt is above him in Google when you type Jeremy?
I get Jeremy Reener, who would be perfect to swoop in and kick some assNot only did he agree that it's bad to kill a policeman, but he also agreed that more police was the answer.
https://news.sky.com/video/jeremy-corbyns-reaction...
Make your mind up, man.
BTW, does he know that Jeremy Hunt is above him in Google when you type Jeremy?
swisstoni said:
Johnson is outmanoeuvring Jezza by offering big investments in the areas that he and Labour have been harping on about.
He is probably shortly going to offer them the General Election they have talked about little else since the last one.
It’s like Gunfight at the OK Coral!
I do have confidence in Boris, he has got the better of everyone he has encountered or come up against in his political career so far & he is obviously far more intelligent that people give him credit for. He twice beat Ken Livingstone in London for goodness sake. Livingstone was much more appealing a lefty than Corbyn is IMO and London is heavily Labour so he's done well. He is probably shortly going to offer them the General Election they have talked about little else since the last one.
It’s like Gunfight at the OK Coral!
I voted remain, I would like to remain but I recognise that we need to leave. Staying will not heal the country. We need to leave, suffer the 0-50 years of gloom predicted and then heal (or rejoin). Boris knows this so is obviously making realistic appealing promises like changing higher rate of income tax from £50k to £80k which would save me £500 a month and has not been mentioned once since he became PM. These are better than stupid unbelievable promises like what Corbyn did in 2017. I don't even care that he breaks them all. He is fighting fire with fire and that's what it takes to take down Corbyn
Basically, any level of collateral damage is acceptable to me including a no deal Brexit etc, over a Corbyn government who will ruin us forever
jakesmith said:
I do have confidence in Boris, he has got the better of everyone he has encountered or come up against in his political career so far & he is obviously far more intelligent that people give him credit for. He twice beat Ken Livingstone in London for goodness sake. Livingstone was much more appealing a lefty than Corbyn is IMO and London is heavily Labour so he's done well.
I voted remain, I would like to remain but I recognise that we need to leave. Staying will not heal the country. We need to leave, suffer the 0-50 years of gloom predicted and then heal (or rejoin). Boris knows this so is obviously making realistic appealing promises like changing higher rate of income tax from £50k to £80k which would save me £500 a month and has not been mentioned once since he became PM. These are better than stupid unbelievable promises like what Corbyn did in 2017. I don't even care that he breaks them all. He is fighting fire with fire and that's what it takes to take down Corbyn
Basically, any level of collateral damage is acceptable to me including a no deal Brexit etc, over a Corbyn government who will ruin us forever
Corbyn did apparently have his manifesto costed. Believe that or not?I voted remain, I would like to remain but I recognise that we need to leave. Staying will not heal the country. We need to leave, suffer the 0-50 years of gloom predicted and then heal (or rejoin). Boris knows this so is obviously making realistic appealing promises like changing higher rate of income tax from £50k to £80k which would save me £500 a month and has not been mentioned once since he became PM. These are better than stupid unbelievable promises like what Corbyn did in 2017. I don't even care that he breaks them all. He is fighting fire with fire and that's what it takes to take down Corbyn
Basically, any level of collateral damage is acceptable to me including a no deal Brexit etc, over a Corbyn government who will ruin us forever
Boris seems to be promising money to everyone, but his promise's, which you don't mind if he will keep are better than Corbyn's?
That doesn't sound very rational. What was so bad about getting rid of student debt anyway?
xstian said:
Corbyn did apparently have his manifesto costed. Believe that or not?
Boris seems to be promising money to everyone, but his promise's, which you don't mind if he will keep are better than Corbyn's?
That doesn't sound very rational. What was so bad about getting rid of student debt anyway?
£121bn is quite a lot of money in anyone’s eyes.Boris seems to be promising money to everyone, but his promise's, which you don't mind if he will keep are better than Corbyn's?
That doesn't sound very rational. What was so bad about getting rid of student debt anyway?
xstian said:
jakesmith said:
I do have confidence in Boris, he has got the better of everyone he has encountered or come up against in his political career so far & he is obviously far more intelligent that people give him credit for. He twice beat Ken Livingstone in London for goodness sake. Livingstone was much more appealing a lefty than Corbyn is IMO and London is heavily Labour so he's done well.
I voted remain, I would like to remain but I recognise that we need to leave. Staying will not heal the country. We need to leave, suffer the 0-50 years of gloom predicted and then heal (or rejoin). Boris knows this so is obviously making realistic appealing promises like changing higher rate of income tax from £50k to £80k which would save me £500 a month and has not been mentioned once since he became PM. These are better than stupid unbelievable promises like what Corbyn did in 2017. I don't even care that he breaks them all. He is fighting fire with fire and that's what it takes to take down Corbyn
Basically, any level of collateral damage is acceptable to me including a no deal Brexit etc, over a Corbyn government who will ruin us forever
Corbyn did apparently have his manifesto costed. Believe that or not?I voted remain, I would like to remain but I recognise that we need to leave. Staying will not heal the country. We need to leave, suffer the 0-50 years of gloom predicted and then heal (or rejoin). Boris knows this so is obviously making realistic appealing promises like changing higher rate of income tax from £50k to £80k which would save me £500 a month and has not been mentioned once since he became PM. These are better than stupid unbelievable promises like what Corbyn did in 2017. I don't even care that he breaks them all. He is fighting fire with fire and that's what it takes to take down Corbyn
Basically, any level of collateral damage is acceptable to me including a no deal Brexit etc, over a Corbyn government who will ruin us forever
Boris seems to be promising money to everyone, but his promise's, which you don't mind if he will keep are better than Corbyn's?
That doesn't sound very rational. What was so bad about getting rid of student debt anyway?
loafer123 said:
xstian said:
Corbyn did apparently have his manifesto costed. Believe that or not?
Boris seems to be promising money to everyone, but his promise's, which you don't mind if he will keep are better than Corbyn's?
That doesn't sound very rational. What was so bad about getting rid of student debt anyway?
£121bn is quite a lot of money in anyone’s eyes.Boris seems to be promising money to everyone, but his promise's, which you don't mind if he will keep are better than Corbyn's?
That doesn't sound very rational. What was so bad about getting rid of student debt anyway?
xstian said:
Corbyn did apparently have his manifesto costed. Believe that or not?
Just because something is costed doesn't mean that the money is available to fund it. I know the cost of a Bugatti Chiron, but no way can I afford to buy one.He was playing with words, trying to dupe the public in to thinking that his manifesto was affordable, when it clearly wasn't.
biggbn said:
None of which answers the observation about Boris financial promises?
Spending the record budget surplus?https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47318862
xstian said:
What was so bad about getting rid of student debt anyway?
What is bad is people's total misunderstanding of the finances.Students don't have a debt. The country has the debt. The students are repaying the obligation that they made to repay the loan if they earn enough to do so, and if they don't earn enough, the country will swallow the cost.
University charges £27,000 for a three year course. Government pays the university.
Student earns £21,000 pa, they repay nothing.
Student earns £30,000 pa, they would take home £1962 instead of £1994 per month. Education cost = £384 per year.
Student earns £50,000 pa, they would take home £2945 instead of £3128 per month. Education cost = £2196 per year.
Now decide if it's worth it. It is an investment in their own future. Would they be earning £50,000 without the degree?
Teppic said:
xstian said:
Corbyn did apparently have his manifesto costed. Believe that or not?
Just because something is costed doesn't mean that the money is available to fund it. I know the cost of a Bugatti Chiron, but no way can I afford to buy one.He was playing with words, trying to dupe the public in to thinking that his manifesto was affordable, when it clearly wasn't.
A huge, massive and transparent lie.
No costs for nationalisation of utilities. Costs stated for 20k police didn't cover year one gross employer salary costs, let alone costs of recruitment, year 2/3 salaries, pensions, equipment, etc.
And so on.
The "independant" think tank that supported the claim should have been shut down.
I could never understand why, despite it being the work of five minutes to figure out these most obvious discrepancies, it was never hammered into their campaigners when interviewed/debated.
pingu393 said:
xstian said:
What was so bad about getting rid of student debt anyway?
What is bad is people's total misunderstanding of the finances.Students don't have a debt. The country has the debt. The students are repaying the obligation that they made to repay the loan if they earn enough to do so, and if they don't earn enough, the country will swallow the cost.
University charges £27,000 for a three year course. Government pays the university.
Student earns £21,000 pa, they repay nothing.
Student earns £30,000 pa, they would take home £1962 instead of £1994 per month. Education cost = £384 per year.
Student earns £50,000 pa, they would take home £2945 instead of £3128 per month. Education cost = £2196 per year.
Now decide if it's worth it. It is an investment in their own future. Would they be earning £50,000 without the degree?
Martin Lewis is always a good listen regarding student finances, he views the funding of the “debt” as an education surcharge, which in reality is what it is...
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