Jeremy Corbyn (Vol. 3)

[Agammemnon]

Nickgnome said:

I find that very worrying that it has taken increased surveillance by the police to reduce drink driving. What mentality can a person have to knowingly drink drive.

It shows massive disregard for others safety and well-being. I wonder if those same drink drivers would be first to suggest a lynching if it was someone close to them who got injured or worse at the hands of an inebriated driver.

Perhaps the pubs shutting near you are just down to poor management.

Supercilious & condescending much?

[alfie2244]

Agammemnon said:

Nickgnome said:

I find that very worrying that it has taken increased surveillance by the police to reduce drink driving. What mentality can a person have to knowingly drink drive.

It shows massive disregard for others safety and well-being. I wonder if those same drink drivers would be first to suggest a lynching if it was someone close to them who got injured or worse at the hands of an inebriated driver.

Perhaps the pubs shutting near you are just down to poor management.

Supercilious & condescending much?

It's Nick

[swisstoni]

Nickgnome said:

Pan Pan Pan said:

In Essex there are quite a large number of pubs with plywood shutters on the doors and windows, or others with signs claiming closed until further notice. It cannot be `just' an access problem, because some closed down pubs have been converted to Mcdonalds, or even Sainsbury`s outlets, but talking to a publican friend in an out of the way, but nevertheless excellent pub, he did state that his customer numbers went way down following increased anti drink drive measures being introduced.

I find that very worrying that it has taken increased surveillance by the police to reduce drink driving. What mentality can a person have to knowingly drink drive.

It shows massive disregard for others safety and well-being. I wonder if those same drink drivers would be first to suggest a lynching if it was someone close to them who got injured or worse at the hands of an inebriated driver.

Perhaps the pubs shutting near you are just down to poor management.

Recent research has shown that a phone call whilst driving (hands free) creates as much impairment as being on the alcohol limit.
I’m sure you’d want to know that and take heed for the future.

[anonymous-user]

loafer123 said:

£121bn is quite a lot of money in anyone’s eyes.

That would pay for eleventy policemen easily.

[Le Controleur Horizontal]

swisstoni said:

Recent research has shown that a phone call whilst driving (hands free) creates as much impairment as being on the alcohol limit.
I’m sure you’d want to know that and take heed for the future.

My own research tonight says that is bks. Note: only one aspect carried out whilst driving however (a call not a drink !)

[swisstoni]

Le Controleur Horizontal said:

swisstoni said:

Recent research has shown that a phone call whilst driving (hands free) creates as much impairment as being on the alcohol limit.
I’m sure you’d want to know that and take heed for the future.

My own research tonight says that is bks. Note: only one aspect carried out whilst driving however (a call not a drink !)

I’ll alert Rospa.

[Le Controleur Horizontal]

swisstoni said:

I’ll alert Rospa.

I did try watching Match of the Day and listening to the other half......ROSPA my have a point

[anonymous-user]

biggbn said:

Gecko1978 said:

biggbn said:

I think we are making similar points. Why do we use big out of town places and Amazon? Convenience. Make city centres more convenient. Seems simple?

while you might be right I am not convinced the model of driving into town parking a walking round the shops is one that works v out of town shopping or looking on the internet. plus cost, good stored in a central warehouse cost a lot less than ones stored in a stick room on the high st etc (thinking coat of retail space). make town centres residential maybe is only option

I freely admit to being an idealist, but my aim would be to encourage people to get to know the town they live in. Build safe space children's play areas, encourage people to walk about, meet, mingle, form a genuine community, something online shopping/dating etc...etc...is eradicating at worst of replacing with a 'virtual' community at best.

I’ve just moved to a village called Bishopthorpe, about 2 miles south of York. The Bishopthorpe road, which links the city to the village has its own small retail area comprising butcher, baker, old fashioned hardware shop, fruit and veg shop, cafes, pub (might event be two) and a few others that I cannot recall.

After looking like it too would fail a fair few years back, in 2015 it was branded as Britain’s best high street. So well have they done that the BBC did a news video from there a few weeks back to discover the secrets of the success.

The basic reasons are having independent retailers, working together to not only support each other but also creating a real sense of community.

York itself is thriving and that also has a high percentage (65) of independent shops.

It’s not rocket science that people want a good experience when they go out.

[pingu393]

Le Controleur Horizontal said:

swisstoni said:

I’ll alert Rospa.

I did try watching Match of the Day and listening to the other half......ROSPA my have a point

You just have to make sure you don't cheer when she tells you that next door's cat was run over .

[Sway]

garyhun said:

biggbn said:

Gecko1978 said:

biggbn said:

I think we are making similar points. Why do we use big out of town places and Amazon? Convenience. Make city centres more convenient. Seems simple?

while you might be right I am not convinced the model of driving into town parking a walking round the shops is one that works v out of town shopping or looking on the internet. plus cost, good stored in a central warehouse cost a lot less than ones stored in a stick room on the high st etc (thinking coat of retail space). make town centres residential maybe is only option

I freely admit to being an idealist, but my aim would be to encourage people to get to know the town they live in. Build safe space children's play areas, encourage people to walk about, meet, mingle, form a genuine community, something online shopping/dating etc...etc...is eradicating at worst of replacing with a 'virtual' community at best.

I’ve just moved to a village called Bishopthorpe, about 2 miles south of York. The Bishopthorpe road, which links the city to the village has its own small retail area comprising butcher, baker, old fashioned hardware shop, fruit and veg shop, cafes, pub (might event be two) and a few others that I cannot recall.

After looking like it too would fail a fair few years back, in 2015 it was branded as Britain’s best high street. So well have they done that the BBC did a news video from there a few weeks back to discover the secrets of the success.

The basic reasons are having independent retailers, working together to not only support each other but also creating a real sense of community.

York itself is thriving and that also has a high percentage (65) of independent shops.

It’s not rocket science that people want a good experience when they go out.

In many retail sectors, experience is the only value a high street operation can compete with.

Horsham is a very good example - organises several really very good 'festivals' every year. Great balance of shops, and some superb eating and drinking pubs.

Chichester is slowly losing it's way. Most of the seaside towns are utterly horrific. The one I've just moved from, doesn't even have clear fking signage to the beach... Let alone any form of visible identity - even amongst the independents. Compared to places like Cromer in Norfolk (with colour, planting and mural 'themes' running throughout, the West Sussex seaside tourist spots are just crap.

[Gecko1978]

In all the examples above on my seems you are saying they offer a USP, but I would question if that could work in mass across the UK. My nearest town st albans has for years seen a decline in the high st which in reality means I visit there once a year or less. Tesco have a large out of town site as do Sainsburys and M and S all with free parking, both sites also have a coffee shop etc. Also both have large free parking. Even Hatfield Gallaria has low cost parking. Arguably st albans is a nicer town but dying because it just does not provide in the town center the options the others do.

[Le Controleur Horizontal]

Glastonbury, st and nearly dead (no bank etc)
Wells, busy busy, banks, indi retail.

Reason....FOOTFALL

Wells is fantastic, it has everything plus it gets the tourist footfall, is "just" large enough" and is not "too close" to a large retail park.

I have to say a lot of small town centres will never live again, they have nothing to offer.

Edited by Le Controleur Horizontal on Sunday 18th August 10:21

[Halb]

biggbn said:

I freely admit to being an idealist, but my aim would be to encourage people to get to know the town they live in. Build safe space children's play areas, encourage people to walk about, meet, mingle, form a genuine community, something online shopping/dating etc...etc...is eradicating at worst of replacing with a 'virtual' community at best.

I think you're right, I think it's 'mentally healthier for humans to do as the above, humans are social creatures and we know so little about how the brain works.
SOme do prefer the solitude of the web, I do, but it's lke any addictive substance; sugar, booze, porn, crack, it can take hold of you and become your master for some. Possibly changing your brain in ways we don't know.
https://interestingengineering.com/playing-video-g...

corrected quote boxing

Edited by Halb on Sunday 18th August 10:26

[andy_s]

Halb said:

biggbn said:

while you might be right I am not convinced the model of driving into town parking a walking round the shops is one that works v out of town shopping or looking on the internet. plus cost, good stored in a central warehouse cost a lot less than ones stored in a stick room on the high st etc (thinking coat of retail space). make town centres residential maybe is only option
I freely admit to being an idealist, but my aim would be to encourage people to get to know the town they live in. Build safe space children's play areas, encourage people to walk about, meet, mingle, form a genuine community, something online shopping/dating etc...etc...is eradicating at worst of replacing with a 'virtual' community at best.

I think you're right, I think it's 'mentally healthier for humans to do as the above, humans are social creatures and we know so little about how the brain works.
SOme do prefer the solitude of the web, I do, but it's lke any addictive substance; sugar, booze, porn, crack, it can take hold of you and become your master for some. Possibly changing your brain in ways we don't know.
https://interestingengineering.com/playing-video-g...

I wonder if there's an ideal size for 'community', we've lived in a village of 600 for 20 years and even for the poorly socialised such as myself, there is a tangible feeling of 'home' or call it what you will; a half dozen village events (Barn Dance, Agricultural Show, Gala, Beer Festival etc), on New Year a group do first footing, boxing day about 20 blokes trudge up the hill out the back, summer holidays are frequently shared in part with others, anyway, you get the idea. There may be drawbacks - that affair that gets rumbled ends up like the Archers, there're gossips and ne'er-do-wells certainly, but life, community, 'feeling', mutual support in troubled times etc is all good.
I look at people in the big smoke, alone amongst millions, and wonder...

Edited by andy_s on Sunday 18th August 10:35

[Agammemnon]

You guys know this is the Corbyn thread?

[jakesmith]

Agammemnon said:

You guys know this is the Corbyn thread?

He’ll ruin everything the old tosser

[AstonZagato]

By 48% to 35% Britons would rather have No Deal and no Corbyn
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-repo...

[Gecko1978]

Agammemnon said:

You guys know this is the Corbyn thread?

surely discussing his policy is better than discussing the fact he looks like some one who sleeps in their car

[Agammemnon]

Gecko1978 said:

surely discussing his policy is better than discussing the fact he looks like some one who sleeps in their car

Yes but it had drifted a bit.

[Mr Penfold]

Gecko1978 said:

Agammemnon said:

You guys know this is the Corbyn thread?

surely discussing his policy is better than discussing the fact he looks like some one who sleeps in their car

reunify Ireland
house everybody
rejoin/not leave the EU and reform from within
educate everybody and pay off al student debt
re-nationalise everything
Give Falklands away
give Gibraltar away
Tax everybody so badly that they need the state
Re-open the coal mines but only the ones with zero carbon coal
Disband our military, nuclear subs first.
re-open every shop in every high street.
Thousands more police so they can catch people that need a damn good talking to over tea and biscuits
Cancel all PFI contracts
re-instate all 1970's union rules/laws
Abolish the Monarchy
Recognise Palestine as a state even though Palestinians don't want that
Supports another Scottish referendum
Sever all ties with Saudia Arabia
Have nothing to do with Trump or America#
Support the despot in Venezuela
Eliminate poverty and wealth
Eliminate the lords



Just a few to start with