Jeremy Corbyn (Vol. 3)

[Slaav]

techiedave said:

So he should

'Nonce finder general' wasn't it?

Although he has gone up in my estimation since but I wonder who the true Watson really is - is he just a typical Politician? (Rhetorical!)

[Zirconia]

Blackpuddin said:

Surprised Watson hasn't mounted a serious challenge for the leadership by now. Can only think he is intimidated by the McDonnell/Momentum faction.

Len has the votes as a gift to give. Tom probably knows he would not get it even if the MP's voted for him.

[Slaav]

Zirconia said:

Len has the votes as a gift to give. Tom probably knows he would not get it even if the MP's voted for him.

Pretty sure I saw Mark Serwotka give Watson the big thumbs down this morning on Breakfast news and accused him of being disloyal - in his view, the first and foremost role of the deputy is loyalty to the leader

Let's not forget that this isn't actually the first job of an MP eh?

[djc206]

kev1974 said:

"Manifesto for Mayhem". Much of it mentioned before but I was not aware that he (and his puppetmaster McDonnell) wanted to entirely ban zero hours contracts. Why a total ban? A lot of people are happy to work for Uber etc under such arrangements.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7449687/J...

Funny how he made such a noise about Parliament being prorogued, but so doing has given him the time to go to the TUC conference and speak. Very handy. But then I guess we'd already seen that keeping a lengthy summer recess was more important to the MPs than coming back a few weeks early in this very special year and getting on with debating Brexit, so shouldn't be surprised really that conference grandstanding is immediately more important than parliamentary time that they all bleated was being denied.

Never mind Uber and the like when I was at uni I didn’t work during term time but during my plentiful holidays would return to the pub I worked at during my teenage years. I had a zero hours contract but over the summer months in particular would work upwards of 50 hours per week. That zero hours contract paid for my “studies” (drinking and cheese toasty habit). It was a win win for me and my boss and there are hundreds of thousands if not millions of people for whom such a flexible contract is similarly mutually beneficial.

Zero hours has become the new boogie man for the left and they will not listen to rational argument on the subject (or any other for that matter). If Corbyn and co decide something is bad they simply do not possess the mental capacity or willingness to listen to rational argument and their answer is to ban things rather than put in place suitable restrictions or protections. That man and his ilk only see in black and white, grey simply does not exist.

[Trax]

Zirconia said:

Blackpuddin said:

Surprised Watson hasn't mounted a serious challenge for the leadership by now. Can only think he is intimidated by the McDonnell/Momentum faction.

Len has the votes as a gift to give. Tom probably knows he would not get it even if the MP's voted for him.

Watson will have no chance, the corbynites absolutely hate him. The left wing groups I follow for 'research' purposes, pretty much call him a Tory plant.

[Jinx]

Trax said:

Watson will have no chance, the corbynites absolutely hate him. The left wing groups I follow for 'research' purposes, pretty much call him a Tory plant.

And that's the worst insult they know so pretty stern stuff.

[Zirconia]

Slaav said:

Zirconia said:

Len has the votes as a gift to give. Tom probably knows he would not get it even if the MP's voted for him.

Pretty sure I saw Mark Serwotka give Watson the big thumbs down this morning on Breakfast news and accused him of being disloyal - in his view, the first and foremost role of the deputy is loyalty to the leader

Let's not forget that this isn't actually the first job of an MP eh?

Unions at the tiller. What can go wrong.

[Slaav]

Zirconia said:

Slaav said:

Zirconia said:

Len has the votes as a gift to give. Tom probably knows he would not get it even if the MP's voted for him.

Pretty sure I saw Mark Serwotka give Watson the big thumbs down this morning on Breakfast news and accused him of being disloyal - in his view, the first and foremost role of the deputy is loyalty to the leader

Let's not forget that this isn't actually the first job of an MP eh?

Unions at the tiller. What can go wrong.

Quick question for anybody that works in PR/Media/politics or similar...

The impression I have had for some time now is that the left and Labour in particular (in its current guise even more so) are very happy to cast lies, slur people at will and spread (often via tweets and retweeting others) absolute cr4p and play dirty. (This next bit will come out wrong so apologies in advance....)

The likes of Emily Thornberry on QT is a case in point and when somebody (often Tories but quite often, journos) tries to correct them, they get shouted over and it seems like a street fight between somebody who knows how to street fight and does it often vs someone from a nice school who was taught to play nicely?

We are seeing it (less Politically polarised) in Brexit to a degree but the classic is Labour vs Tory on pretty much any subject. Labour lands numerous low blows constantly and the Tories simply seem to look at the ref and shrug rather than kick their teeth in and fight back using the same tactics?

Boris being accused of WANTING a hard No Deal Brexit is a case in point. I genuinely don't think he wants a No Deal but that is being shouted from the rooftops by his opponents (all colours and rosettes) and he comes out looking like that is exactly what he wants by not retaliating with similar low blows?

Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott seem to get away with saying absolutely anything and don't get eviscerated by the Tories publicly when it is the equivalent of an own goal?

What is going on??

[T-195]

Trax said:

Zirconia said:

Blackpuddin said:

Surprised Watson hasn't mounted a serious challenge for the leadership by now. Can only think he is intimidated by the McDonnell/Momentum faction.

Len has the votes as a gift to give. Tom probably knows he would not get it even if the MP's voted for him.

Watson will have no chance, the corbynites absolutely hate him. The left wing groups I follow for 'research' purposes, pretty much call him a Tory plant.

I think Labour will have fked up if they don't have a woman running the Party. Watson is probably intelligent enough to know this.

[djc206]

T-195 said:

I think Labour will have fked up if they don't have a woman running the Party. Watson is probably intelligent enough to know this.

Rayner?

[undred orse]

djc206 said:

Rayner?

Whilst Rayner may not be the sharpest knife there is an authenticity to her lacking in others. I am certainly no fan of her policies but having heard her on a Radio 4 "Lunch With ...." item she came across much better than in the shouty politician mode we usually see and she certainly has done well to get to where she is and has my respect for the care she gave in very difficult circumstances to her family.

In contrast to the vast majority of the champagne socialist/commie/trot Labour mob I believe she has a genuine wish to help founded in her own experience rather than the self entitled hypocrites we usually see.

Who else would be a better leader? Benn - bottled it and couldn't lead a dog. Starmer - the constant look of surprise is enough let alone the feeling that everything he says has been put through a blender to make sure its rubbish or doesn't offend Seumas. Lady Nugee - God help us, although if dismissive and condescending hand waving makes it to the Olympics we are certs for gold. Long -Bailey - like Corbyn's mini me but without the gravitas and defines shrill. McDonnell - which way to the gulag comrade.

[vaud]

undred orse said:

Whilst Rayner may not be the sharpest knife there is an authenticity to her lacking in others. I am certainly no fan of her policies but having heard her on a Radio 4 "Lunch With ...." item she came across much better than in the shouty politician mode we usually see and she certainly has done well to get to where she is and has my respect for the care she gave in very difficult circumstances to her family.

In contrast to the vast majority of the champagne socialist/commie/trot Labour mob I believe she has a genuine wish to help founded in her own experience rather than the self entitled hypocrites we usually see.

Who else would be a better leader? Benn - bottled it and couldn't lead a dog. Starmer - the constant look of surprise is enough let alone the feeling that everything he says has been put through a blender to make sure its rubbish or doesn't offend Seumas. Lady Nugee - God help us, although if dismissive and condescending hand waving makes it to the Olympics we are certs for gold. Long -Bailey - like Corbyn's mini me but without the gravitas and defines shrill. McDonnell - which way to the gulag comrade.

I don't like her politics, but does she seem to be more "old labour" than most of shadow cabinet. I wouldn't vote for her but I think Labour need more candidates like her.

I'm right of centre economically, but I do think parts of Labour have some good social policies that don't cost the earth but make a real difference to working people...

[djc206]

undred orse said:

Whilst Rayner may not be the sharpest knife there is an authenticity to her lacking in others. I am certainly no fan of her policies but having heard her on a Radio 4 "Lunch With ...." item she came across much better than in the shouty politician mode we usually see and she certainly has done well to get to where she is and has my respect for the care she gave in very difficult circumstances to her family.

In contrast to the vast majority of the champagne socialist/commie/trot Labour mob I believe she has a genuine wish to help founded in her own experience rather than the self entitled hypocrites we usually see.

Who else would be a better leader? Benn - bottled it and couldn't lead a dog. Starmer - the constant look of surprise is enough let alone the feeling that everything he says has been put through a blender to make sure its rubbish or doesn't offend Seumas. Lady Nugee - God help us, although if dismissive and condescending hand waving makes it to the Olympics we are certs for gold. Long -Bailey - like Corbyn's mini me but without the gravitas and defines shrill. McDonnell - which way to the gulag comrade.

Watch this and then reconsider your first paragraph. She is unbelievably thick and woefully under qualified to be in the position she’s in never mind being in charge of the course of this country. Good intentions do not make a leader.

[CrutyRammers]

Slaav said:

Quick question for anybody that works in PR/Media/politics or similar...

The impression I have had for some time now is that the left and Labour in particular (in its current guise even more so) are very happy to cast lies, slur people at will and spread (often via tweets and retweeting others) absolute cr4p and play dirty. (This next bit will come out wrong so apologies in advance....)

The likes of Emily Thornberry on QT is a case in point and when somebody (often Tories but quite often, journos) tries to correct them, they get shouted over and it seems like a street fight between somebody who knows how to street fight and does it often vs someone from a nice school who was taught to play nicely?

We are seeing it (less Politically polarised) in Brexit to a degree but the classic is Labour vs Tory on pretty much any subject. Labour lands numerous low blows constantly and the Tories simply seem to look at the ref and shrug rather than kick their teeth in and fight back using the same tactics?

Boris being accused of WANTING a hard No Deal Brexit is a case in point. I genuinely don't think he wants a No Deal but that is being shouted from the rooftops by his opponents (all colours and rosettes) and he comes out looking like that is exactly what he wants by not retaliating with similar low blows?

Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott seem to get away with saying absolutely anything and don't get eviscerated by the Tories publicly when it is the equivalent of an own goal?

What is going on??

Been that way for as long as I can remember. It's my big problem with "the left" generally, everything is predicated on shouting, fighting against "x" and ad homs. And it's gone on for so long that it's tolerated, expected - not from the fringes, but from the absolute mainstream of the Labour party. When was the last time you saw a "Labour Scum" banner?

[Gecko1978]

when labour were in power there message was a centrist one even a tory lite, it was only when they got booted out that they looked to move back to the left an the usual shouts of evil rich etc came out. its an ever repeating circle. If you want to get into power an stay there you need a broad church appeal around the center an a population that are content.

Brexit, austerity, the environment are all issues that drown out this positive inclusive message but hard left or right agenda will solve none of these things

[jakesmith]

CrutyRammers said:

Been that way for as long as I can remember. It's my big problem with "the left" generally, everything is predicated on shouting, fighting against "x" and ad homs. And it's gone on for so long that it's tolerated, expected - not from the fringes, but from the absolute mainstream of the Labour party. When was the last time you saw a "Labour Scum" banner?

Putting Tory Scum on a banner demeans the holder of the banner more than the Torys

You really don’t need to mount any effective argument against Labour’s front bench (shouldn’t use ‘mount’ in that context!). Just let them go on TV and make fools of themselves. Even at peak Corbyn he didn’t get close to winning an election although you wouldn’t know it watching him jump around like the racist lunatic he is as if he’d won the lottery.

[philv]

4 day weeks
maximum 35 hrs per week.
A job for everyone.

I wonder how many will be impressed with the proportionate cut in wages.

The additional costs of employing more workers to do the same amount fewer workers presently do.
Pensions, etc, etc.

Decreased competitiveness.

More likely to destroy job imho.

[ORD]

djc206 said:

undred orse said:

Whilst Rayner may not be the sharpest knife there is an authenticity to her lacking in others. I am certainly no fan of her policies but having heard her on a Radio 4 "Lunch With ...." item she came across much better than in the shouty politician mode we usually see and she certainly has done well to get to where she is and has my respect for the care she gave in very difficult circumstances to her family.

In contrast to the vast majority of the champagne socialist/commie/trot Labour mob I believe she has a genuine wish to help founded in her own experience rather than the self entitled hypocrites we usually see.

Who else would be a better leader? Benn - bottled it and couldn't lead a dog. Starmer - the constant look of surprise is enough let alone the feeling that everything he says has been put through a blender to make sure its rubbish or doesn't offend Seumas. Lady Nugee - God help us, although if dismissive and condescending hand waving makes it to the Olympics we are certs for gold. Long -Bailey - like Corbyn's mini me but without the gravitas and defines shrill. McDonnell - which way to the gulag comrade.

Watch this and then reconsider your first paragraph. She is unbelievably thick and woefully under qualified to be in the position she’s in never mind being in charge of the course of this country. Good intentions do not make a leader.

She seems to be very committed to her politics (which is sort of commendable), but she really is not cut out for running anything. It is worrying that someone could think otherwise!

[Gecko1978]

lots of people are passionate about their politics, does not give them the skills needed to work as an MP.

[undred orse]

ORD said:

djc206 said:

undred orse said:

Whilst Rayner may not be the sharpest knife there is an authenticity to her lacking in others. I am certainly no fan of her policies but having heard her on a Radio 4 "Lunch With ...." item she came across much better than in the shouty politician mode we usually see and she certainly has done well to get to where she is and has my respect for the care she gave in very difficult circumstances to her family.

In contrast to the vast majority of the champagne socialist/commie/trot Labour mob I believe she has a genuine wish to help founded in her own experience rather than the self entitled hypocrites we usually see.

Who else would be a better leader? Benn - bottled it and couldn't lead a dog. Starmer - the constant look of surprise is enough let alone the feeling that everything he says has been put through a blender to make sure its rubbish or doesn't offend Seumas. Lady Nugee - God help us, although if dismissive and condescending hand waving makes it to the Olympics we are certs for gold. Long -Bailey - like Corbyn's mini me but without the gravitas and defines shrill. McDonnell - which way to the gulag comrade.

Watch this and then reconsider your first paragraph. She is unbelievably thick and woefully under qualified to be in the position she’s in never mind being in charge of the course of this country. Good intentions do not make a leader.

She seems to be very committed to her politics (which is sort of commendable), but she really is not cut out for running anything. It is worrying that someone could think otherwise!

Don’t be worried! I wasn’t saying that she would be a good leader but pointing out that she has certain “qualities” lacking in many others and I questioned who would be better. That doesn’t equate to an endorsement. Having said that I would rather have her as my m.p. than most of the Labour lot .