Jeremy Corbyn (Vol. 3)
Discussion
gazapc said:
SpeckledJim said:
Time for that tomorrow.
I expect the EU are watching the UK response this evening, and are ready to drop that on us tomorrow to rattle the hell out of half of Westminster.
Unfortunately the EU loves can kicking and don't want to be seen 'responsible' for a no deal exit. So I don't think they will issue such a firm statement. I expect the EU are watching the UK response this evening, and are ready to drop that on us tomorrow to rattle the hell out of half of Westminster.
I think it's going to be close but I think yes to the deal might just snatch it on Sat. Even so, things are not over the line with two more weeks of legal and parliamentary antics to overcome.
If there is no positive vote on Saturday, I think the leaders will say that Parliament is obviously not serious-minded and that there is now no prospect of a deal at all on almost any terms. Therefore, by 31 October, the UK must choose to leave with the deal on offer, no deal or to revoke A50. Over to the HoC.
psi310398 said:
gazapc said:
SpeckledJim said:
Time for that tomorrow.
I expect the EU are watching the UK response this evening, and are ready to drop that on us tomorrow to rattle the hell out of half of Westminster.
Unfortunately the EU loves can kicking and don't want to be seen 'responsible' for a no deal exit. So I don't think they will issue such a firm statement. I expect the EU are watching the UK response this evening, and are ready to drop that on us tomorrow to rattle the hell out of half of Westminster.
I think it's going to be close but I think yes to the deal might just snatch it on Sat. Even so, things are not over the line with two more weeks of legal and parliamentary antics to overcome.
If there is no positive vote on Saturday, I think the leaders will say that Parliament is obviously not serious-minded and that there is now no prospect of a deal at all on almost any terms. Therefore, by 31 October, the UK must choose to leave with the deal on offer, no deal or to revoke A50. Over to the HoC.
Macron has stuff he wants to get done, and it’s not this. He’s bored and frustrated and insulted at being disrespected the first time he told Parliament not to f
k about. George Smiley said:
No sooner than the deals announced JC is pledging to vote against it. Why? Just because you are in opposition doesn’t mean you have to oppose everything.
In ordinary times that's what I would expect from the opposition, but in brexit times people are now starting to grow weary of the entire process so the prolonging of brexit through the likes of the Benn act, and voting absolutely everything down will come back to bite him hard in the arse come GE, particularly in leave constituencies. Labour have sat on the fence for so long and u turned on brexit that they are in real trouble.George Smiley said:
No sooner than the deals announced JC is pledging to vote against it. Why? Just because you are in opposition doesn’t mean you have to oppose everything.
It's his whole existence though. Object, protest, rebel. Student politics. Never a positive thing uttered. Pathetic in someone occupying his position. dazwalsh said:
If only they'd have thrown Cameron a few more concessions we may have avoided all this, now they are staring down a financial black hole and the net contributors are going to be squeezed for more cash going forward. Coupled with germany teetering on recession it's not great timing for the EU this brexit lark.
Like giving us an emergency brake on immigration Or not making us join Schengen
Or not making us join the Euro
We had a fantastic deal as I understand it
What concessions could we realistically have been offered
Andy 308GTB said:
techiedave said:
Ah yes Louise Ellman. A woman of unbending principle.
Hmmmm………..
What's that Sooty ? Don't think back to Lancashire Social Services
Don't think back to that Mr Oyston thing
Oh Sooty
Sooty really does know his stuff, I had to trawl the internet to find this article about Mr Oyston. Hmmmm………..
What's that Sooty ? Don't think back to Lancashire Social Services
Don't think back to that Mr Oyston thing
Oh Sooty
https://www.lobster-magazine.co.uk/articles/lob34-...
I suspect she'd like to Sweep that under the carpet.
SpeckledJim said:
I agree.
Macron has stuff he wants to get done, and it’s not this. He’s bored and frustrated and insulted at being disrespected the first time he told Parliament not to fk about.
Whilst I've got absolutely no time for this parliament and their antics, I've got even less time for a foreign leader telling them what to do.Macron has stuff he wants to get done, and it’s not this. He’s bored and frustrated and insulted at being disrespected the first time he told Parliament not to f
k about. technodup said:
hilst I've got absolutely no time for this parliament and their antics, I've got even less time for a foreign leader telling them what to do.
Err, I can't see the issue. Parliament has put itself in this pickle.Parliament seems to be relying on said foreign leader(s) to give it something without which MPs have no room for manoeuvre. He/they would be well within his/their rights to add conditions.
jakesmith said:
dazwalsh said:
If only they'd have thrown Cameron a few more concessions we may have avoided all this, now they are staring down a financial black hole and the net contributors are going to be squeezed for more cash going forward. Coupled with germany teetering on recession it's not great timing for the EU this brexit lark.
Like giving us an emergency brake on immigration Or not making us join Schengen
Or not making us join the Euro
We had a fantastic deal as I understand it
What concessions could we realistically have been offered
Not to mention halting the constant drive to overwhelming bureaucracy that has done so much damage throughout the whole of Europe. Even France wants that.
That’s just a start.
It’s interesting that you think opt outs from Schengen and the Euro are of value, as that implies that you recognise the damage both have created, yet you still think the EU is a worthy organisation?
technodup said:
SpeckledJim said:
I agree.
Macron has stuff he wants to get done, and it’s not this. He’s bored and frustrated and insulted at being disrespected the first time he told Parliament not to fk about.
Whilst I've got absolutely no time for this parliament and their antics, I've got even less time for a foreign leader telling them what to do.Macron has stuff he wants to get done, and it’s not this. He’s bored and frustrated and insulted at being disrespected the first time he told Parliament not to f
k about. Parliament wasted two years, and the first extension.
Parliament asked for another extension.
Macron said ‘ok but I suggest you don’t waste it’
Parliament wasted it between petty party squabbling and going on holiday for months.
Parliament asks for another extension.
Macron isn’t now entitled to be more than a bit pissed-off? They took him for a mug.
hidetheelephants said:
Andy 308GTB said:
techiedave said:
Ah yes Louise Ellman. A woman of unbending principle.
Hmmmm………..
What's that Sooty ? Don't think back to Lancashire Social Services
Don't think back to that Mr Oyston thing
Oh Sooty
Sooty really does know his stuff, I had to trawl the internet to find this article about Mr Oyston. Hmmmm………..
What's that Sooty ? Don't think back to Lancashire Social Services
Don't think back to that Mr Oyston thing
Oh Sooty
https://www.lobster-magazine.co.uk/articles/lob34-...
I suspect she'd like to Sweep that under the carpet.
( nothing to do with him being a horrible nasty b
d) silverthorn2151 said:
George Smiley said:
No sooner than the deals announced JC is pledging to vote against it. Why? Just because you are in opposition doesn’t mean you have to oppose everything.
It's his whole existence though. Object, protest, rebel. Student politics. SpeckledJim said:
That’s not quite accurate.
Parliament wasted two years, and the first extension.
Parliament asked for another extension.
Macron said ‘ok but I suggest you don’t waste it’
Parliament wasted it between petty party squabbling and going on holiday for months.
Parliament asks for another extension.
Macron isn’t now entitled to be more than a bit pissed-off? They took him for a mug.
Good summary. I can't really argue with that, I'd be fed up as well. Parliament wasted two years, and the first extension.
Parliament asked for another extension.
Macron said ‘ok but I suggest you don’t waste it’
Parliament wasted it between petty party squabbling and going on holiday for months.
Parliament asks for another extension.
Macron isn’t now entitled to be more than a bit pissed-off? They took him for a mug.
And if the latest deal is voted out, given that the MPs can't even agree when they had the Indicative Voting round, why on earth should the EU give another extension ? for Bonfire night, Christmas and New Year celebrations ?
Burwood said:
Big surprise. More quality work from Corbyn
'Labour leader gives interview trashing PM's 'sell-out' agreement 26 minutes BEFORE it was published'
The man and all his advisers are utter idiots.'Labour leader gives interview trashing PM's 'sell-out' agreement 26 minutes BEFORE it was published'
Hasn't even got the sense to wait until half an hour after it was emailed out and just pretend he'd read it.
Tony427 said:
It's now official.
Momentum run the Labour party as the Momentum leader has tweeted that any Labour MP who votes for the deal will be replaced at the next election with a Socialist Labour candidate.
That will warm the cockles of Labour MP's hearts.
The vote will be close. 320 required. So far they have 302 confirmed including 9 Labour. 36 unknowns. Any Labour MP not intending to stand again will probably vote for it.Momentum run the Labour party as the Momentum leader has tweeted that any Labour MP who votes for the deal will be replaced at the next election with a Socialist Labour candidate.
That will warm the cockles of Labour MP's hearts.
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