Jeremy Corbyn (Vol. 3)

[Evanivitch]

The Li-ion King said:

Spare a thought for London & North Western Railway (successors of London Midland) who have fitted Transit diesel engines to former 1978 District Line tube trains and re branded them as Class 230's

South Wales are getting the same deal, with Thameslink 319 being fitted diesels and called 769!

Politicians call them new and modern. How many of you would call a 1980s car new and modern if it had a new interior fitted and a 90s engine?


So back to the original point, Labour are promising big on rail, but so did the Tory's in 2010, and then spend nearly 10 years winding back these promises in areas with the least Tory voters.

If it takes 10 years for Labour to revitalise the railways outside of London and beyond London-centric projects, then they would have achieved far more than the Tory's have in the last 9.

[ORD]

No chance Labour would get a second term.

[Ceeejay]

George Smiley said:

Transpennine Express takes twice as long from Manchester to Leeds than fgw swindon to reading, almost the same as swindon to London.

It's faster to drive to Newcastle than get the train from Bristol. You travel at 120mph towards Wales then take a scenic 70mph max the rest of the way.

Outside of the London bubble the train system is woeful.

As much as I hate trains, i thought id have to fact check this one.... its close, but the train will get you there quicker, and a whole lot more relaxed....

[JagLover]

ORD said:

No chance Labour would get a second term.

They have thought of that, which is why their new policy is open borders plus right to vote once considered resident.

[Dr Jekyll]

Ceeejay said:

George Smiley said:

Transpennine Express takes twice as long from Manchester to Leeds than fgw swindon to reading, almost the same as swindon to London.

It's faster to drive to Newcastle than get the train from Bristol. You travel at 120mph towards Wales then take a scenic 70mph max the rest of the way.

Outside of the London bubble the train system is woeful.

As much as I hate trains, i thought id have to fact check this one.... its close, but the train will get you there quicker, and a whole lot more relaxed....

That example is comparing the time from station to station so it's hardly surprising the train is quicker. If you have to travel to or from either station that wipes out the time saving, even if you assume you can plan to arrive at the Bristol platform exactly when the train leaves.

[anonymous-user]

Labour still arguing internally about brexit and their manifesto particularly whether or not to support freedom of movement.

Also sensibly backtracking on a ban on private schools but instead focusing on VAT rather than Rayner’s ill advised statements about seizing their assets and assimilation into the state sector.

[Evanivitch]

Dr Jekyll said:

That example is comparing the time from station to station so it's hardly surprising the train is quicker. If you have to travel to or from either station that wipes out the time saving, even if you assume you can plan to arrive at the Bristol platform exactly when the train leaves.

And it also ignores the fact you will hit traffic and roadworks in that 5 hour spell.
And the train might be late.
And you might miss a transfer.

But the point is, the train should be doing the same journey at 125mph+, and yet driving at 70mph max is almost as quick.

[ofcorsa]

andy_s said:

jakesmith said:

Corbyn: 'Would have been right' to arrest IS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi

Wading into the terror area again, surely he must know by now that people view this sort of comment as too soft

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50410665

Yeah I've just seen it, in a way he's quite reasonably said it would be preferable to arrest these people and put them on trial if possible. It's just that when he says that, you remember his attitudes towards many terrorist groups [freedom fighters...] and can't help but feel his sotto voce is more empathetic than something akin to calm resolve or icy hate.

He’s an idealist so he loves these hypothetical questions. His core supporters will lap up this response. This alongside his views on the nuclear deterrent is genuinely terrifying for national security

[Jinx]

andy_s said:

Yeah I've just seen it, in a way he's quite reasonably said it would be preferable to arrest these people and put them on trial

Arrest under what grounds? They are way out of their jurisdication.

[Burwood]

Jinx said:

andy_s said:

Yeah I've just seen it, in a way he's quite reasonably said it would be preferable to arrest these people and put them on trial

Arrest under what grounds? They are way out of their jurisdication.

Exactly. And why risk someone else getting hurt. The target admitted his crimes. There's volumes of evidence. He's a valid target. As I recall he took his own life anyway.

[andy_s]

Jinx said:

andy_s said:

Yeah I've just seen it, in a way he's quite reasonably said it would be preferable to arrest these people and put them on trial

Arrest under what grounds? They are way out of their jurisdication.

That’s always stopped the US from extrajudicial actions...

[otolith]

Fastdruid said:

Nationalisation would if anything increase issues similar to Southern Rail's issues. They were after all caused by the RMT Union preventing progress over the role of guards on trains. Nationalisation would mean that the unions have far more of a say and be able to easily strike over any changes they didn't like.

Which is why the current Labour Party likes nationalisation.

It's sod all to do with the travelling public.

[philv]

ORD said:

No chance Labour would get a second term.

Increased immigration.
Votes to immigrants and eu nationald.
Votes for 16 year o,ds.
Contrived electoral reform.

There are ways and meas.

They will manipulate the system to get the votes they need.

[George Smiley]

Dr Jekyll said:

Ceeejay said:

George Smiley said:

Transpennine Express takes twice as long from Manchester to Leeds than fgw swindon to reading, almost the same as swindon to London.

It's faster to drive to Newcastle than get the train from Bristol. You travel at 120mph towards Wales then take a scenic 70mph max the rest of the way.

Outside of the London bubble the train system is woeful.

As much as I hate trains, i thought id have to fact check this one.... its close, but the train will get you there quicker, and a whole lot more relaxed....

That example is comparing the time from station to station so it's hardly surprising the train is quicker. If you have to travel to or from either station that wipes out the time saving, even if you assume you can plan to arrive at the Bristol platform exactly when the train leaves.

Also in the car I get to choose my entertainment, dont have to suffer passengers and 1st class stops at Birmingham where you transfer over to cross country which is just awful.

[Jinx]

andy_s said:

That’s always stopped the US from extrajudicial actions...

Hence an "arrest" is not going to happen. Elimination on the other hand is the more likely outcome.

[ChevyChase77]

philv said:

ORD said:

No chance Labour would get a second term.

Increased immigration.
Votes to immigrants and eu nationald.
Votes for 16 year o,ds.
Contrived electoral reform.

There are ways and meas.

They will manipulate the system to get the votes they need.

"If we can't get people to vote for us, we'll import them".

[otolith]

Jinx said:

andy_s said:

Yeah I've just seen it, in a way he's quite reasonably said it would be preferable to arrest these people and put them on trial

Arrest under what grounds? They are way out of their jurisdication.

I guess Corbyn would want the operation to be under an international body, but;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_jurisdicti...

[A Winner Is You]

Some excellent insight into the far-left Corbyn mouthpiece Novara Media here

https://twitter.com/AaronBastani/status/1194941903...


Corbyn is on record as saying the hand of Israel was behind terror attack in Egypt.

No he wasn't!

Here's some video evidence of him saying it

Yeah, well what about billionaires who don't pay tax?

[pingu393]

Ceeejay said:

As much as I hate trains, i thought id have to fact check this one.... its close, but the train will get you there quicker, and a whole lot more relaxed....

IMO, a very poor "fact-check".

How many people actually want to go form station to station?

I live in a house and may want to go to another house.

Pick any two houses in the UK and I would bet that 99% of the time a car is quicker.

The relaxation argument is a much better argument than speed .

[Gecko1978]

for train v car will say Isued to drive to work when I was based in canary wharf from Hertfordshire. It was about the same time (1 hour door to door) if you left at 7am.

If I rode my motorcycle it was 45mins there about but add 10 min changing out of helmet etc.

However with planning for parking it was cheaper than cost of a train ticket and that was the big win for me