Jeremy Corbyn (Vol. 3)

[21st Century Man]

vaud said:

If that is a Pacer the they were bloody awful.

As was the Gremlin and the Pinto.

[anonymous-user]

pingu393 said:

Ceeejay said:

As much as I hate trains, i thought id have to fact check this one.... its close, but the train will get you there quicker, and a whole lot more relaxed....

IMO, a very poor "fact-check".

How many people actually want to go form station to station?

I live in a house and may want to go to another house.

Pick any two houses in the UK and I would bet that 99% of the time a car is quicker.

The relaxation argument is a much better argument than speed .

That’s definitely not true for longer journeys. I tried loads of combinations of getting from mine to different peoples houses I know and train (plus bus to station plus walking to bus) was quicker than driving, especially if they lived in towns or cities.

If you put the journey into google maps, it actually compares driving with going by train plus the getting to and from the station by bus or walking.

I’d still usually rather drive as I’ve had some nightmares on the train plus I’ve often got my family plus loads of stuff on longer trips.

[768]

I've never had a journey that would be quicker by train, anywhere I've lived in the UK. Even without counting how good they are at not getting people to the destination.

[anonymous-user]

768 said:

I've never had a journey that would be quicker by train, anywhere I've lived in the UK. Even without counting how good they are at not getting people to the destination.

I've recently moved to York and can be in London in just under two hours on the train or just over 4 hours by car.

[kev1974]

768 said:

I've never had a journey that would be quicker by train, anywhere I've lived in the UK. Even without counting how good they are at not getting people to the destination.

There's loads of examples, I regularly go between Peterborough and Ely and while it's only 32 miles it's at least an hour by car (Fenland roads are st), the train routinely does it in 28-33 minutes depending whether it's a stopping train or not.

Ely-Cambridge, one simple 17mile road between the two but at least 45 mins or 1h to drive due to the clusterfk that is Cambridge roads. 15 minutes on the train.

Also London-Newcastle is 2h45-3h15 by train again depending how many stops it makes, at least 5h to drive. London to Edinburgh 4h45-5h15 by train, 7h+ by car, and that doesn't include 15mins for a toilet/food stop somewhere.

Granted as another poster pointed out these are all station-station times whereas car gives you a little more flexibility at the start and finish of the journeys, but nothing that a short taxi at either end of the train journey can't solve.

[Solocle]

kev1974 said:

There's loads of examples, I regularly go between Peterborough and Ely and while it's only 32 miles it's at least an hour by car (Fenland roads are st), the train routinely does it in 28-33 minutes depending whether it's a stopping train or not.

Ely-Cambridge, one simple 17mile road between the two but at least 45 mins or 1h to drive due to the clusterfk that is Cambridge roads. 15 minutes on the train.

Also London-Newcastle is 2h45-3h15 by train again depending how many stops it makes, at least 5h to drive. London to Edinburgh 4h45-5h15 by train, 7h+ by car, and that doesn't include 15mins for a toilet/food stop somewhere.

Granted as another poster pointed out these are all station-station times whereas car gives you a little more flexibility at the start and finish of the journeys, but nothing that a short taxi at either end of the train journey can't solve.

Or a Brompton, for that matter.

[Zirconia]

London is always a train for me. When I was working, never drove even in a hire car in the last few decades with the company. Plenty of times in a speed limited van which doesn't count. If I wanted to get to Coventry from home, car every time, no direct route. Coventry to London, if I had a choice, train every time.

Quite a few local destinations would be six of one etc. Prices to London from S Wales though are high with Great Western.

That example Bristol to Newcastle though, crap journey in a car/van. Been there done it etc.

[Mark-C]

768 said:

I've never had a journey that would be quicker by train, anywhere I've lived in the UK. Even without counting how good they are at not getting people to the destination.

I can run to work in Leeds quicker than getting the train because of where the station is compared to work but I don't stand a hope of driving to London in the time the train takes.

ETA ... the state of traffic in Leeds means the train is quicker than a car for commuting despite needing a 15 minute walk at each end ... the train however is an unreliable overcrowded festering cesspit so I avoid it anyway. Some investment in decent rolling stock, more carriages and relaible engines would be very welcome to every train user regardless of their political persuasion.

Edited by Mark-C on Thursday 14th November 14:48

[George Smiley]

768 said:

I've never had a journey that would be quicker by train, anywhere I've lived in the UK. Even without counting how good they are at not getting people to the destination.

likewise some plane routes.

USed to fly to Glasgow from Bristol. It took just 1 hour less overall than driving from my home. Occasionally I would drive simply because it was more relaxing.

[andy_s]

Jinx said:

andy_s said:

That’s always stopped the US from extrajudicial actions...

Hence an "arrest" is not going to happen. Elimination on the other hand is the more likely outcome.

I was being sarcastic. I wasn’t talking about the odds.

[otolith]

garyhun said:

768 said:

I've never had a journey that would be quicker by train, anywhere I've lived in the UK. Even without counting how good they are at not getting people to the destination.

I've recently moved to York and can be in London in just under two hours on the train or just over 4 hours by car.

I'm in the North West, Fylde Coast.

London Euston from my local train station is 3:05.

Train station is 5mins in a taxi or 12 mins on the bus.

It's at least 4 hours by car, more if the traffic is bad.

[peklim]

I think that London to Manchester in just over 2 hours by train is quite hard to beat by car.

[Jinx]

peklim said:

I think that London to Manchester in just over 2 hours by train is quite hard to beat by car.

Depends if there happens to be a train at the time you want to travel.

[Oakey]

otolith said:

I'm in the North West, Fylde Coast.

London Euston from my local train station is 3:05.

Train station is 5mins in a taxi or 12 mins on the bus.

It's at least 4 hours by car, more if the traffic is bad.

Does this involve freezing your arse off in Preston train station though?

Nobody has mentioned the cost though. I looked at return tickets from Fylde to London and it was about £230 and that was the price if I wanted to go today or as far out as I could book ahead (which is about January)

[Halb]

Evanivitch said:

And yet HS2 and CrossRail plough on despite delays, despite cost escalation, to ensure that London continues to benefit.

Quite. THe cross country systems is a joke, if you didn't want to go to that london then it's always better to drive. I feel for the poor commuters who have to endure the east/west trips

[otolith]

Oakey said:

otolith said:

I'm in the North West, Fylde Coast.

London Euston from my local train station is 3:05.

Train station is 5mins in a taxi or 12 mins on the bus.

It's at least 4 hours by car, more if the traffic is bad.

Does this involve freezing your arse off in Preston train station though?

Nobody has mentioned the cost though. I looked at return tickets from Fylde to London and it was about £230 and that was the price if I wanted to go today or as far out as I could book ahead (which is about January)

To be honest, I usually drive, because my girlfriend lives in Surrey so if I have a meeting in the smoke I will take my dog and stay at her house. My dog is too big for the train. Her dog isn't, so when she comes up she usually brings him on the train. It's usually less than £100 return.

It's been a while since I got the train, but last time I did it cost £94.40 booked the day before on the Trainline website - and the journey was shorter than the trains I could see for this week;

[MWM3]

Can we please stop talking about trains.

This topic has really gone off the rails!

[CambsBill]

MWM3 said:

Can we please stop talking about trains.

This topic has really gone off the rails!

No need to get steamed up . . .

[djohnson]

ChevyChase77 said:

"If we can't get people to vote for us, we'll import them".

Yep. They’d also kick the much needed boundary changes into the long grass since the current out of date ones give Labour a downhill run.

They’d also try and strangle Tory party funding. Tories get funding from business, Labour intend to take 10% of the equity and voting rights of medium sized and bigger businesses. I’d bet that the next step would be a requirement for over 90% of shareholders to approve political donations from a business thus giving a Labour government the right to block business contributions to the Tories.

Communism is weak in opposition and all but impossible to get rid of once in power.

[TheRealNoNeedy]

MWM3 said:

Can we please stop talking about trains.

This topic has really gone off the rails!

Well said, this is not the right platform for that