Jeremy Corbyn (Vol. 3)

[paulrockliffe]

Fermit and Sexy Sarah said:

Evanivitch said:

Puddenchucker said:

free water

Of all things, privatised water has to be the most ludicrous thing known to man. It's not a competitive market, I can't change supplier, I can't bargain a better deal, and the feasibility of not using the water grid (private bore hole, private sewage storage) is beyond the means of 99% of the population (and probably isn't beneficial to society if there was high uptake in urban areas).

What reasons are there for it being private?

I've always held this view. Something so essential to life shouldn't be for profit IMO.

It literally falls from the sky and lands on your head. There's nothing stopping you from collecting your own water, plenty of people do it every day.

[Ando74]

Fermit and Sexy Sarah said:

Evanivitch said:

Puddenchucker said:

free water

Of all things, privatised water has to be the most ludicrous thing known to man. It's not a competitive market, I can't change supplier, I can't bargain a better deal, and the feasibility of not using the water grid (private bore hole, private sewage storage) is beyond the means of 99% of the population (and probably isn't beneficial to society if there was high uptake in urban areas).

What reasons are there for it being private?

I've always held this view. Something so essential to life shouldn't be for profit IMO.

But where do you draw the line with that? Food is pretty important too, drugs, energy(heat) etc, etc.. I don’t disagree in principle by the way.

Commercial clients can already shop around for a better deal, in theory, it won’t be long before it happens to the domestic market too. Water companies are already preparing for it.
It’s private due to there being a lot of money to be made from a product that everyone needs is the bottom line.

[Troubleatmill]

Does anyone wanting to be holding shares of BT, Utility companies, Rail etc on Dec 12th?

[vaud]

Really? When will water companies compete at a domestic level? They have had since 1989? (and three Labour Govts)

[Evanivitch]

paulrockliffe said:

It literally falls from the sky and lands on your head. There's nothing stopping you from collecting your own water, plenty of people do it every day.

Not really practical in a flat, or a terraced house, or in many areas with high pollution. What about the waste? Pump it into the street?

Easy if you've got room for a bore hole and a cess pit. Very few do.

[motco]

turbobloke said:

Dont like rolls said:

Rebecca Long Baily now, what fun this will be.

That must be the same Rebecca Long-Bailey who said Jeremy Corbyn should 'stand aside' (if he loses) back in October.

...and the Rebecca Long-Bailey who doesn't know the difference between turnover and profit where tax is concerned.

[Evanivitch]

turbobloke said:

Bussolini said:

turbobloke said:

Fair enough, though what would the incoming government have to do to put the country back on a sustainable path after 4 years of tax/spend and borrow/spend? We've barely exited the previous medicinal regime after 13 years of Labour including Byrne 'sorry no money left'.

Voting for Labour isn't worth it, but the moon on a stick looks shiny.

The Tories are literally running on a platform of borrow/spend.

ISWYM however I'm not convinced the situation is one of parity for either borrowing or taxation; awaiting the manifesto of each Party.

The chances of a Conservative government screwing the economy are significantly smaller than the chances of a Corbyn-led Labour government.

Given that they Tories already screwed the economy, I find that quite hard to understand.

[motco]

The structural deficit has seriously reduced and employment has never been higher. Disaster, obviously.

[Dont like rolls]

motco said:

turbobloke said:

Dont like rolls said:

Rebecca Long Baily now, what fun this will be.

That must be the same Rebecca Long-Bailey who said Jeremy Corbyn should 'stand aside' (if he loses) back in October.

...and the Rebecca Long-Bailey who doesn't know the difference between turnover and profit where tax is concerned.

If Labour get in she does not need to worry about turn over or profit

[Mothersruin]

Rebecca Wrong Daily.

[paulrockliffe]

Troubleatmill said:

Does anyone wanting to be holding shares of BT, Utility companies, Rail etc on Dec 12th?

Probably a better place to put your cash than a bet on the election result as they'll bounce for sure.

[Mark-C]

Troubleatmill said:

Does anyone wanting to be holding shares of BT, Utility companies, Rail etc on Dec 12th?

I was always in favour of BT, BG etc being privatised but I always thought Maggie T and the Conservative government missed a trick by not giving shares to everyone (over 18, a bill payer or whatever) to spread the ownership far mor widely than they did and make even more people feel more in tune with capitalism as a thing after the boom years for socialism post-war.

And I do mean "giving" - we "the public" already owned them ;-)

[768]

motco said:

turbobloke said:

Dont like rolls said:

Rebecca Long Baily now, what fun this will be.

That must be the same Rebecca Long-Bailey who said Jeremy Corbyn should 'stand aside' (if he loses) back in October.

...and the Rebecca Long-Bailey who doesn't know the difference between turnover and profit where tax is concerned.

At least she's not the shadow business secretary.

[pingu393]

Mark-C said:

Troubleatmill said:

Does anyone wanting to be holding shares of BT, Utility companies, Rail etc on Dec 12th?

I was always in favour of BT, BG etc being privatised but I always thought Maggie T and the Conservative government missed a trick by not giving shares to everyone (over 18, a bill payer or whatever) to spread the ownership far mor widely than they did and make even more people feel more in tune with capitalism as a thing after the boom years for socialism post-war.

And I do mean "giving" - we "the public" already owned them ;-)

With the utility companies, they did. My son is still getting cheques from Royal Dutch Shell and National Grid.

[technodup]

BigMon said:

They honestly won't. And they'd be out again in 4 years if they went 'ultra left' so, as I say, don't panic.

Only if you assume we'll have another election in 4 years time. Which I wouldn't.

What's to stop them creating a situation where they need to extend their term? After being on the sidelines forever McDonnell and his ilk won't be giving up without a fight. There's plenty of regimes with a lack of, or rigged elections. Don't assume it couldn't happen here.

[Jasey_]

Baby has got his number

[Mark-C]

technodup said:

BigMon said:

They honestly won't. And they'd be out again in 4 years if they went 'ultra left' so, as I say, don't panic.

Only if you assume we'll have another election in 4 years time. Which I wouldn't.

What's to stop them creating a situation where they need to extend their term? After being on the sidelines forever McDonnell and his ilk won't be giving up without a fight. There's plenty of regimes with a lack of, or rigged elections. Don't assume it couldn't happen here.

It's the current parliament (and, therefore, MPs from both sides) that have just circumvented the FTPA with a specific act of parliament ... nothing directly to do with Corbyn. Under the FTPA the next election after this will be Thursday 2nd May 2024 and it would take a massive rigging to extend beyond that. I get your paranoia but there aren't enough nutters in even the current Labour Party to get around that ...

[BigMon]

technodup said:

nly if you assume we'll have another election in 4 years time. Which I wouldn't.

What's to stop them creating a situation where they need to extend their term? After being on the sidelines forever McDonnell and his ilk won't be giving up without a fight. There's plenty of regimes with a lack of, or rigged elections. Don't assume it couldn't happen here.

Because I think a lot of you are creating a pretty daft left-wing bogeyman and, if you think about it rationally, what you're fearing just won't happen.

What's to say Boris won't do all this?

I just don't buy into it from either end of the spectrum. If you don tinfoil and are a leftie you could be wittering about Russian interference in Brexit\Boris, Dominic Cummings being some sinister Machiavellian presence, etc, etc and I don't buy into that either.

Don't get me wrong, if Corbyn got in I wouldn't be turning cartwheels. But that would be democracy. I didn't and don't agree with Brexit either, but the vote was won to leave so we have to leave. That was democracy.

[andy_s]

technodup said:

BigMon said:

They honestly won't. And they'd be out again in 4 years if they went 'ultra left' so, as I say, don't panic.

Only if you assume we'll have another election in 4 years time. Which I wouldn't.

What's to stop them creating a situation where they need to extend their term? After being on the sidelines forever McDonnell and his ilk won't be giving up without a fight. There's plenty of regimes with a lack of, or rigged elections. Don't assume it couldn't happen here.

Give over, that’d only happen if they seized control of the internet...

[Evanivitch]

motco said:

The structural deficit has seriously reduced and employment has never been higher. Disaster, obviously.

And yet under-employment is higher than it has been since 2008.

https://www.businessinsider.com/uk-underemployment...

But hey, the conservatives aren't fudging the figures are they?

Jobs Economist said:

John Philpott, the director of the Jobs Economist consultancy, said there was a near standstill in private sector job creation, accounting for only 2,000 of the 31,000 additional people in work over the three-month period. Public sector jobs, mostly in the NHS and education, were the prime source of continued market buoyancy.

Or...

Jobs Economist said:

Jobs growth has been driven in recent years by rising numbers of women in work, as well as rapid increases in older workers staying in their roles longer. The ONS said changes in the state pension age for women had resulted in fewer retiring between the ages of 60 and 65.

So hire more state workers and force others to stay in work longer? Stronger economy my ass.