Jeremy Corbyn (Vol. 3)

[Dont like rolls]

Bussolini said:

gazza285 said:

Bussolini said:

If the Tories hadn't sold them all off at below market value, we wouldn't have to build so many new ones.

Housing supply is a real problem in this country. Increasing housing supply to get those at the bottom out of the hands of predatory private landlords is a good thing.

If the last Labour government hadn’t stopped building them, the country wouldn’t be short of social housing now.

Classic blame Labour for everything. Tories have been in power for ten years. Tories introduced right to buy.

Maybe blame BOTH as most do ?
Can you stretch that far or is your tribalism to strong ?

[ORD]

nammynake said:

This place gets more like Twitter every day. Why not just post a meme showing Corbyn and Adams together as absolute unequivocal proof that that not only did he support the IRA’s cause but gleefully applauded their bombings in England?

It’s very easy to regurgitate what you read on social media without a second thought as to its validity. What next...Corbyn is an antisemite I suppose? Delusional or seeking confirmation bias; which is it?

Eh? He is an antisemite. It’s not even open to argument.

[Bussolini]

Dont like rolls said:

Maybe blame BOTH as most do ?
Can you stretch that far or is your tribalism to strong ?

I won't even vote Labour so surely cannot be accused of tribalism.

[nammynake]

ORD said:

Eh? He is an antisemite. It’s not even open to argument.

I don’t want to derail this; it’s been done to death already. That’s your opinion and it differs from mine.

[TheRealNoNeedy]

Bussolini said:

Dont like rolls said:

Maybe blame BOTH as most do ?
Can you stretch that far or is your tribalism to strong ?

I won't even vote Labour so surely cannot be accused of tribalism.

You can as you seem to ignore their 13 reckless years where they crashed the economy

[Bussolini]

TheRealNoNeedy said:

Bussolini said:

Dont like rolls said:

Maybe blame BOTH as most do ?
Can you stretch that far or is your tribalism to strong ?

I won't even vote Labour so surely cannot be accused of tribalism.

You can as you seem to ignore their 13 reckless years where they crashed the economy

Except they didn't.

[ORD]

Bussolini said:

Except they didn't.

Kinda did. Aside from the period when they followed Tory spending plans, Labour essentially went on a manic spending spree, funded by borrowing that put the economy on a knife edge when the music stopped.

Labour is planning to do exactly the same thing, just on a larger and more reckless scale. What is the plan for repaying all the borrowing? There isn't one - they are relying on getting voted out again before crunch time comes. They can then snipe from the wings when the next government has to deal with the problem.

[Earthdweller]

Dont like rolls said:

Bussolini said:

gazza285 said:

Bussolini said:

If the Tories hadn't sold them all off at below market value, we wouldn't have to build so many new ones.

Housing supply is a real problem in this country. Increasing housing supply to get those at the bottom out of the hands of predatory private landlords is a good thing.

If the last Labour government hadn’t stopped building them, the country wouldn’t be short of social housing now.

Classic blame Labour for everything. Tories have been in power for ten years. Tories introduced right to buy.

Maybe blame BOTH as most do ?
Can you stretch that far or is your tribalism to strong ?

Just listened to McDonnel on Politics Live point blank refusing to answer how many council houses the Welsh Labour Govt had built and then blaming Tory austerity for them only building 59

The veneer was starting to slip .. “wait till you see a Corbyn Govt”

There’s a real nastiness in McDonnell and it was starting to show through

[kev1974]

I note that the manifesto is careful to say HOMES rather than HOUSES

"Labour will deliver a new social
housebuilding programme of more than
a million homes over a decade, with
council housing at its heart. By the end
of the Parliament we will be building
at an annual rate of at least 150,000
council and social homes"

So a crapload of shoddy high rise blocks thrown up in places like Tower Hamlets then, that last six years before needing a new roof or new lifts or new plumbing.

Also it's only in the final year of the parliament that they need to hit the 100,000 council + 50,000 "affordable" shoeboxes, to keep their word.

[surveyor]

Conucil's might not have built houses, but I'm sure the Housing Associations will have done....

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This briefing details the number of homes housing associations developed in 2018/19.

27 June 2019

Our members built 45,604 homes in 2018/19 which is a 10% increase compared to the previous year. This is a great result and is well over our Ambition to Deliver target of increasing supply by 6% each year.

Housing associations also started building 49,372 homes which is a 13% increase compared to 2017/18. Starts in all the social and affordable tenures increased, and social rent was up 31% at 5,447, its highest annual rate since we started the survey in 2015/16.

Other results include:

47% (22,985) of homes started were delivered outside the Affordable Homes Programme
46% (21,155) of homes completed were delivered outside the Affordable Homes Programme
51% (21,442) of affordable starts were delivered through Section 106 agreements
54% (20,757) of affordable completions were delivered through Section 106 agreements

[Evanivitch]

Earthdweller said:

Just listened to McDonnel on Politics Live point blank refusing to answer how many council houses the Welsh Labour Govt had built and then blaming Tory austerity for them only building 59

The veneer was starting to slip .. “wait till you see a Corbyn Govt”

There’s a real nastiness in McDonnell and it was starting to show through

Government in Wales didn't (until recently) have the ability to raise any additional revenue or borrow. Instead the Barnett Formula distributes equivalent funding to Wales based on funding for England.

So if they're not building council houses in England, how do you propose it's funded in Wales?

Devolved and funded are very different things.

[djc206]

Where are they going to build these houses and how is it consistent with their green pledges? New homes need infrastructure. It’s all very expensive and not very green and not to mention nigh on impossible given the lack of skilled tradesmen in this country.

[Mothersruin]

nammynake said:

ORD said:

Eh? He is an antisemite. It’s not even open to argument.

I don’t want to derail this; it’s been done to death already. That’s your opinion and it differs from mine.

Mao did more good than harm?

[andymadmak]

ORD said:

Bussolini said:

Except they didn't.

Kinda did. Aside from the period when they followed Tory spending plans, Labour essentially went on a manic spending spree, funded by borrowing that put the economy on a knife edge when the music stopped.

Labour is planning to do exactly the same thing, just on a larger and more reckless scale. What is the plan for repaying all the borrowing? There isn't one - they are relying on getting voted out again before crunch time comes. They can then snipe from the wings when the next government has to deal with the problem.

This. ^^ And its amazing how many people are in denial about it. Blair and Brown followed Ken and Eddies plan for the first couple of years after coming into office. The economy was doing very well indeed under that plan.
Then Brown got a God complex and claimed to have abolished boom and bust.... so he went on a spending spree of unprecedented scale. Moreover, he didn't just go spending, he went borrowing to finance that spending and used unrealistic projections of continued levels of growth, deferred tax rises and further asset sales to disguise the actual level of borrowing he was taking on on our behalf. The whole PFI thing for hospitals and schools was a disaster (cue somebody saying 'but the Tories brought in PFI.....' thereby completely ignoring what PFI is good for {revenue projects such as bridges and toll roads} and what it is not good for - schools and hospitals)
By the time of the next global crash in 2008 (which Labour did not cause, but certainly helped to facilitate by turning a blind eye to sub prime lending - even when it was pointed out to them by Lib Dems and Conservative politicians) the UK was not only spending waaaaay more than it should have been (with even more committed from historic pledges) , but also was having to borrow increasing amounts to fund it because treasury revenue projections were nonsensical.

When the Tory/Lib Dem coalition came in, it was faced with economic armageddon. That situation required very tough decisions, which, actually got fudged in the main. What Corbyn and Momentum bemoan as 'austerity' and 'cuts' was nothing of the sort. It was actually a slowing down of the rate of increase in Government expenditure.
Government expenditure continued to increase year on year. Had interest rates not fallen to record lows then it's possible that one of the highest rates of increase in Government expenditure of this period would have been the interest payable on the loans that Brown took out on our behalf.....

[ORD]

People forget that it’s by utter fluke that the economy has not collapsed to dust already. Risking it all with huge borrowing for current spending is reckless to the point of serious immorality.
But the Labour Party is no longer a party of grown ups. And children are reckless.

[Crackie]

nammynake said:

ORD said:

Eh? He is an antisemite. It’s not even open to argument.

I don’t want to derail this; it’s been done to death already. That’s your opinion and it differs from mine.

Presumably you were happy with the Shameless Chakrabarti whitewash then, and his comments about the mural, and Momentum's purge and, and, and.

[Supercilious Sid]

nammynake said:

This place gets more like Twitter every day. Why not just post a meme showing Corbyn and Adams together as absolute unequivocal proof that that not only did he support the IRA’s cause but gleefully applauded their bombings in England?

It’s very easy to regurgitate what you read on social media without a second thought as to its validity. What next...Corbyn is an antisemite I suppose? Delusional or seeking confirmation bias; which is it?

God, you are actually serious
https://twitter.com/jbickertonuk/status/9609103077...

[Burwood]

Supercilious Sid said:

nammynake said:

This place gets more like Twitter every day. Why not just post a meme showing Corbyn and Adams together as absolute unequivocal proof that that not only did he support the IRA’s cause but gleefully applauded their bombings in England?

It’s very easy to regurgitate what you read on social media without a second thought as to its validity. What next...Corbyn is an antisemite I suppose? Delusional or seeking confirmation bias; which is it?

God, you are actually serious
https://twitter.com/jbickertonuk/status/9609103077...

I take comfort that this is precisely why Corbyn will fail again at this election despite the Sheep that vote for his party. He's unfit for office and a danger to National Security

[Dixy]

He has again promised to scrap tuition fees, what does he propose to do with the generation who have enormous student loans.

[Burwood]

Dixy said:

He has again promised to scrap tuition fees, what does he propose to do with the generation who have enormous student loans.

in 2017 he promised to write off their debt, then backtracked when someone checked Dianes figures and realised it was Billion not million.

£120B give or take.