Jeremy Corbyn (Vol. 3)
Discussion
jakesmith said:
So Jezza will remain neutral in a future ref 'to respect the will of the people' he doesn't get this does he people want a strong leader to, you know, lead
It might have been a wise strategy in 2016. Negotiate the best deal we can get then put an honest choice to the people. The sense I get now is that people feel we have voted out, now get us out.
JuanCarlosFandango said:
It might have been a wise strategy in 2016. Negotiate the best deal we can get then put an honest choice to the people.
The sense I get now is that people feel we have voted out, now get us out.
Imagine if Cameron had thought of that. Referendum, if leave, negotiate the best deal, then follow up with another ref, all to a timeline, with leave - deal / no deal and remain on the ballot. Who could complain then!The sense I get now is that people feel we have voted out, now get us out.
jakesmith said:
JuanCarlosFandango said:
It might have been a wise strategy in 2016. Negotiate the best deal we can get then put an honest choice to the people.
The sense I get now is that people feel we have voted out, now get us out.
Imagine if Cameron had thought of that. Referendum, if leave, negotiate the best deal, then follow up with another ref, all to a timeline, with leave - deal / no deal and remain on the ballot. Who could complain then!The sense I get now is that people feel we have voted out, now get us out.
jakesmith said:
JuanCarlosFandango said:
It might have been a wise strategy in 2016. Negotiate the best deal we can get then put an honest choice to the people.
The sense I get now is that people feel we have voted out, now get us out.
Imagine if Cameron had thought of that. Referendum, if leave, negotiate the best deal, then follow up with another ref, all to a timeline, with leave - deal / no deal and remain on the ballot. Who could complain then!The sense I get now is that people feel we have voted out, now get us out.
A Winner Is You said:
Except the flaw in that plan is that the EU would have zero incentive to offer anything other than the worst possible deal.
The flaw in your flaw is that that may well bolster the desire to leave without a deal.And we have hardly got a brilliant deal the much better way we did it surely?
jakesmith said:
Imagine if Cameron had thought of that. Referendum, if leave, negotiate the best deal, then follow up with another ref, all to a timeline, with leave - deal / no deal and remain on the ballot. Who could complain then!
Portillo for one.I remember him saying before the vote that remainers should probably vote leave because no country had ever been able to leave without a second referendum giving them a chance to stay. So he felt the first was likely to be a farce because of strategies like that.
jakesmith said:
So Jezza will remain neutral in a future ref 'to respect the will of the people' he doesn't get this does he people want a strong leader to, you know, lead
So on this basis he wouldn't vote either for a WA or in a second referendum to maintain his neutrality. Yeah right.Anyone else notice the clever sleight of hand re the ‘super rich’? Weeks of whipping up hatred of the super rich billionaires. We then get the ‘super rich tax rate’, which applies to whom? Billionaires, presumably? Nah, it’s anyone earning over £120k, so GPs, lawyers, headmasters, accountants etc etc.
Whip up hysteria against billionaire tax dodgers and then use it to attack middle class professionals that already pay loads of tax.
Whip up hysteria against billionaire tax dodgers and then use it to attack middle class professionals that already pay loads of tax.
ORD said:
Anyone else notice the clever sleight of hand re the ‘super rich’? Weeks of whipping up hatred of the super rich billionaires. We then get the ‘super rich tax rate’, which applies to whom? Billionaires, presumably? Nah, it’s anyone earning over £120k, so GPs, lawyers, headmasters, accountants etc etc.
Whip up hysteria against billionaire tax dodgers and then use it to attack middle class professionals that already pay loads of tax.
What is this super rich tax rate they propose?Whip up hysteria against billionaire tax dodgers and then use it to attack middle class professionals that already pay loads of tax.
ORD said:
Anyone else notice the clever sleight of hand re the ‘super rich’? Weeks of whipping up hatred of the super rich billionaires. We then get the ‘super rich tax rate’, which applies to whom? Billionaires, presumably? Nah, it’s anyone earning over £120k, so GPs, lawyers, headmasters, accountants etc etc.
Whip up hysteria against billionaire tax dodgers and then use it to attack middle class professionals that already pay loads of tax.
Indeed, even the 80k tax rise, which doesn't take into account geographically that for a lot.of people in London that's not exactly well off yet wi have voters up north lapping it up.Whip up hysteria against billionaire tax dodgers and then use it to attack middle class professionals that already pay loads of tax.
ORD said:
Anyone else notice the clever sleight of hand re the ‘super rich’? Weeks of whipping up hatred of the super rich billionaires. We then get the ‘super rich tax rate’, which applies to whom? Billionaires, presumably? Nah, it’s anyone earning over £120k, so GPs, lawyers, headmasters, accountants etc etc.
Whip up hysteria against billionaire tax dodgers and then use it to attack middle class professionals that already pay loads of tax.
It was always going to be so, there are not enough super rich to squeeze, plenty more middle class professional, all part of his plan employ lots more doctors teachers etc and then heavily tax them, as with all there plans not very well though out. Whip up hysteria against billionaire tax dodgers and then use it to attack middle class professionals that already pay loads of tax.
ORD said:
Whip up hysteria against billionaire tax dodgers and then use it to attack middle class professionals that already pay loads of tax.
If you're earning over £120k you're definitely not middle class by most people's standard, except London of course. But until the Capitalist Kingdom of London is established, try to remember the rest of us still exist.Evanivitch said:
ORD said:
Whip up hysteria against billionaire tax dodgers and then use it to attack middle class professionals that already pay loads of tax.
If you're earning over £120k you're definitely not middle class by most people's standard, except London of course. But until the Capitalist Kingdom of London is established, try to remember the rest of us still exist.Class isn't only about income. Someone from a working class background in a working class job/role would still be working class even if they made a lot of money. I don't mean that in a derogatory sense.
The tax isn't the half it, when he gives 10٪ of the shares in every company over 250 employees to the workforce hes basically destroying 10٪ of everyone's Share ISAs, SIPPs and general private pension funds.
...and that's before you get to the similar effects of Nationalising energy, water and a significant chunk of BT.
Its little short of theft.
...and that's before you get to the similar effects of Nationalising energy, water and a significant chunk of BT.
Its little short of theft.
Wombat3 said:
The tax isn't the half it, when he gives 10? of the shares in every company over 250 employees to the workforce hes basically destroying 10? of everyone's Share ISAs, SIPPs and general private pension funds.
...and that's before you get to the similar effects of Nationalising energy, water and a significant chunk of BT.
Its little short of theft.
Not “giving” to employees - any dividend above £500 per employee is (I think) paid to the government. ...and that's before you get to the similar effects of Nationalising energy, water and a significant chunk of BT.
Its little short of theft.
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