Jeremy Corbyn (Vol. 3)
Discussion
98elise said:
Evanivitch said:
ORD said:
Whip up hysteria against billionaire tax dodgers and then use it to attack middle class professionals that already pay loads of tax.
If you're earning over £120k you're definitely not middle class by most people's standard, except London of course. But until the Capitalist Kingdom of London is established, try to remember the rest of us still exist.Class isn't only about income. Someone from a working class background in a working class job/role would still be working class even if they made a lot of money. I don't mean that in a derogatory sense.
That income can certainly be attributed to people of the upper-middle in many areas (exclusive/executive housing area, business ownership or interests, higher social circle), as to those at the lower fringes of the upper-class (i.e. well educated, from wealthy background, and found their way into a well paid role through nepotism).
Many definitions of middle-class would include all professionals, including teachers for example, with salaries in the high-20s to low-30s. As broad-stroke as British class definitions are, to put a £120k+ earner in the same pot is entirely wrong.
oop north said:
Wombat3 said:
The tax isn't the half it, when he gives 10? of the shares in every company over 250 employees to the workforce hes basically destroying 10? of everyone's Share ISAs, SIPPs and general private pension funds.
...and that's before you get to the similar effects of Nationalising energy, water and a significant chunk of BT.
Its little short of theft.
Not “giving” to employees - any dividend above £500 per employee is (I think) paid to the government. ...and that's before you get to the similar effects of Nationalising energy, water and a significant chunk of BT.
Its little short of theft.
s are not planning on paying for them are they!!?)Gargamel said:
I assume the automation stuff is really a key demand of the rail unions. I think there is some recognition that self driving cars are going to be a thing in some environments then trains must be slightly easier to fully automate.
AIUI certain lines on the tube network are in effect automated but the TFL would never accept loss of jobs etc. I say it on all.these forums its not driverless cars that will affect the tube and trains its working from home. Most jobs now offer 1 day a week WFH that's a 20% reduction in train travel for thoes workers, what of 1 day becomes 2 or 3. Firms close offices move to smaller locations etc tube travel reduces l. The unions could.not object then as the cause is not automation just progress.
Wombat3 said:
oop north said:
Wombat3 said:
The tax isn't the half it, when he gives 10? of the shares in every company over 250 employees to the workforce hes basically destroying 10? of everyone's Share ISAs, SIPPs and general private pension funds.
...and that's before you get to the similar effects of Nationalising energy, water and a significant chunk of BT.
Its little short of theft.
Not “giving” to employees - any dividend above £500 per employee is (I think) paid to the government. ...and that's before you get to the similar effects of Nationalising energy, water and a significant chunk of BT.
Its little short of theft.
s are not planning on paying for them are they!!?)Evanivitch said:
Ah class, the great debate of British society.
That income can certainly be attributed to people of the upper-middle in many areas (exclusive/executive housing area, business ownership or interests, higher social circle), as to those at the lower fringes of the upper-class (i.e. well educated, from wealthy background, and found their way into a well paid role through nepotism).
Many definitions of middle-class would include all professionals, including teachers for example, with salaries in the high-20s to low-30s. As broad-stroke as British class definitions are, to put a £120k+ earner in the same pot is entirely wrong.
So GPs and headmasters of secondary schools aren’t middle class? Colour me surprised. The head of your local NHS trust? Also not middle class, apparently!That income can certainly be attributed to people of the upper-middle in many areas (exclusive/executive housing area, business ownership or interests, higher social circle), as to those at the lower fringes of the upper-class (i.e. well educated, from wealthy background, and found their way into a well paid role through nepotism).
Many definitions of middle-class would include all professionals, including teachers for example, with salaries in the high-20s to low-30s. As broad-stroke as British class definitions are, to put a £120k+ earner in the same pot is entirely wrong.
edh said:
This has a self imposed hypocrisy. If the economists are correct they predict both a drop in GDP from Brexit and a drop in GDP from a Corbyn government. As a labour supported you can't believe the Brexit reports and not believe the ones about how Labour's manifesto would absolutely nuke our economy.
It works both ways.
StottyGTR said:
This has a self imposed hypocrisy. If the economists are correct they predict both a drop in GDP from Brexit and a drop in GDP from a Corbyn government. As a labour supported you can't believe the Brexit reports and not believe the ones about how Labour's manifesto would absolutely nuke our economy.
It works both ways.
No it does not:It works both ways.
There are years and years worth of hard evidence that a bat s
t crazy Labour government trashes the economy.pingu393 said:
They are self-employed, so their net pay is already higher than the equivalent PAYE on the same gross.
I don’t think they are. HMRC’s page on Mo tax returns https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/self-as... refers to employment earnings. And they couldn’t have defined benefit pension if they were self-employed Dont like rolls said:
Don't forget, 80K is JUST over (£79,468) an MP's salary 
As another has said, Funny that.
Interesting that the additional tax on second homes also doesn’t apply to homes required for work, such as those second homes MPs might have...As another has said, Funny that.
Some are certainly more equal than others in this world.
DanL said:
Dont like rolls said:
Don't forget, 80K is JUST over (£79,468) an MP's salary
As another has said, Funny that.
Interesting that the additional tax on second homes also doesn’t apply to homes required for work, such as those second homes MPs might have...As another has said, Funny that.
Some are certainly more equal than others in this world.
oop north said:
pingu393 said:
They are self-employed, so their net pay is already higher than the equivalent PAYE on the same gross.
I don’t think they are. HMRC’s page on Mo tax returns https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/self-as... refers to employment earnings. And they couldn’t have defined benefit pension if they were self-employed ORD said:
So GPs and headmasters of secondary schools aren’t middle class? Colour me surprised. The head of your local NHS trust? Also not middle class, apparently!
That would depend on what you perceive a GP and headmaster to be earning. From a quick Google, it varies hugely between salaried and partners within GPs, and widely between state and private/academy head teachers.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff