Jeremy Corbyn (Vol. 3)

[George Smiley]

Whatever happened to white collar/blue collar, that's better than measuring class.

I'm working class but living now as middle class. I started in blue collar jobs but since leaving college every job has been white collar.

It's a prosecco lifestyle covering up a lambrini upbringing.

[Evanivitch]

otolith said:

"Middle Class" is not solely or even mostly determined by income, but also by attitudes and values - what are you, American?

A doctor or lawyer is solidly middle class whether earning 30k or 130k.

Except what you earn also affects your financial security and your social experiences, which key references in most definitions of Class.

[stevensdrs]

All this class stuff reminds me of this:-

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p00hhrwl

[biggbn]

stevensdrs said:

All this class stuff reminds me of this:-

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p00hhrwl

Yes, 100%, what a load of divisive self serving bollix

[otolith]

Evanivitch said:

otolith said:

"Middle Class" is not solely or even mostly determined by income, but also by attitudes and values - what are you, American?

A doctor or lawyer is solidly middle class whether earning 30k or 130k.

Except what you earn also affects your financial security and your social experiences, which key references in most definitions of Class.

The consultant was once a junior doctor. The partner was once a trainee solicitor. The head teacher was once a newly qualified teacher. They didn't change social class over their career, they just got wealthier.

[bazza white]

Am I right in thinking labour's policies make being paid through a ltd company pointless.

So whilst they bark on about the 5% only being hit reality is even a sparky/handyman/beautician etc on average earnings of 28k a year is going to get shafted for a grand a year changing over to paye

[George Smiley]

bazza white said:

Am I right in thinking labour's policies make being paid through a ltd company pointless.

So whilst they bark on about the 5% only being hit reality is even a sparky/handyman/beautician etc on average earnings of 28k a year is going to get shafted for a grand a year changing over to paye

It's one area I agree with. Should it be right I could book over 100k, pay myself 640 a month (no paye or ni) then top up with lightly taxed dividends?

Most ltds are done for this reason alone.

[Evanivitch]

otolith said:

Evanivitch said:

otolith said:

"Middle Class" is not solely or even mostly determined by income, but also by attitudes and values - what are you, American?

A doctor or lawyer is solidly middle class whether earning 30k or 130k.

Except what you earn also affects your financial security and your social experiences, which key references in most definitions of Class.

The consultant was once a junior doctor. The partner was once a trainee solicitor. The head teacher was once a newly qualified teacher. They didn't change social class over their career, they just got wealthier.

I think you're confusing the Class system with the Caste system...

[Bussolini]

otolith said:

The consultant was once a junior doctor. The partner was once a trainee solicitor. The head teacher was once a newly qualified teacher. They didn't change social class over their career, they just got wealthier.

At what point does a working class kid become middle class if he becomes a solicitor or a doctor?

[98elise]

George Smiley said:

bazza white said:

Am I right in thinking labour's policies make being paid through a ltd company pointless.

So whilst they bark on about the 5% only being hit reality is even a sparky/handyman/beautician etc on average earnings of 28k a year is going to get shafted for a grand a year changing over to paye

It's one area I agree with. Should it be right I could book over 100k, pay myself 640 a month (no paye or ni) then top up with lightly taxed dividends?

Most ltds are done for this reason alone.

Are dividends lightly taxed? I need to have a word with my accountant if that's the case!

[Crippo]

If Labour is elected then I’m going to demand a new election. After all people didn’t know what they were voting for when he said he was going renegotiate a credible deal with Europe and doesn’t. That they thought only the Rich would pay abit more tax but actually everyone gets walloped with significant tax rises and that the marvellous NHS which was promised loads of investment is now over run with health tourists and strikes. After all if the losers can demand a second referendum when the most democratic of all votes happened in 2016, then I’m damned sure the losers could demand another ejection if the wrong government is elected. At the end of the day Brexit is a walk in the park compared with Corbyn & McDonnell

[SpeckledJim]

Bussolini said:

otolith said:

The consultant was once a junior doctor. The partner was once a trainee solicitor. The head teacher was once a newly qualified teacher. They didn't change social class over their career, they just got wealthier.

At what point does a working class kid become middle class if he becomes a solicitor or a doctor?

When he buys a cafetière.

[oop north]

George Smiley said:

It's one area I agree with. Should it be right I could book over 100k, pay myself 640 a month (no paye or ni) then top up with lightly taxed dividends?

Most ltds are done for this reason alone.

Self employment is looking pretty attractive in comparison at the moment

[George Smiley]

98elise said:

George Smiley said:

bazza white said:

Am I right in thinking labour's policies make being paid through a ltd company pointless.

So whilst they bark on about the 5% only being hit reality is even a sparky/handyman/beautician etc on average earnings of 28k a year is going to get shafted for a grand a year changing over to paye

It's one area I agree with. Should it be right I could book over 100k, pay myself 640 a month (no paye or ni) then top up with lightly taxed dividends?

Most ltds are done for this reason alone.

Are dividends lightly taxed? I need to have a word with my accountant if that's the case!

Certainly less than paye

[Bussolini]

Crippo said:

If Labour is elected then I’m going to demand a new election. After all people didn’t know what they were voting for when he said he was going renegotiate a credible deal with Europe and doesn’t. That they thought only the Rich would pay abit more tax but actually everyone gets walloped with significant tax rises and that the marvellous NHS which was promised loads of investment is now over run with health tourists and strikes. After all if the losers can demand a second referendum when the most democratic of all votes happened in 2016, then I’m damned sure the losers could demand another ejection if the wrong government is elected. At the end of the day Brexit is a walk in the park compared with Corbyn & McDonnell

The point you are trying to make is silly considering we will have another election in five years time. It's not forever.

[Ridgemont]

Bussolini said:

Crippo said:

If Labour is elected then I’m going to demand a new election. After all people didn’t know what they were voting for when he said he was going renegotiate a credible deal with Europe and doesn’t. That they thought only the Rich would pay abit more tax but actually everyone gets walloped with significant tax rises and that the marvellous NHS which was promised loads of investment is now over run with health tourists and strikes. After all if the losers can demand a second referendum when the most democratic of all votes happened in 2016, then I’m damned sure the losers could demand another ejection if the wrong government is elected. At the end of the day Brexit is a walk in the park compared with Corbyn & McDonnell

The point you are trying to make is silly considering we will have another election in five years time. It's not forever.

Neither is Brexit. All you need to do is get a party to adopt remain, or maybe next year, return, win an election with a majority on a premise of remain/return referendum and then (providing losers consent this time actually occurs instead of 3 years of butthurt) away you go.

I’m sure such a proposition will be immensely popular.

[bazza white]

Another 57 billion for waspi. Agree with the women or not it's a big chunk of money to find. I wonder how much more labour can add between now and the 12th.

[Wombat3]

George Smiley said:

98elise said:

George Smiley said:

bazza white said:

Am I right in thinking labour's policies make being paid through a ltd company pointless.

So whilst they bark on about the 5% only being hit reality is even a sparky/handyman/beautician etc on average earnings of 28k a year is going to get shafted for a grand a year changing over to paye

It's one area I agree with. Should it be right I could book over 100k, pay myself 640 a month (no paye or ni) then top up with lightly taxed dividends?

Most ltds are done for this reason alone.

Are dividends lightly taxed? I need to have a word with my accountant if that's the case!

Certainly less than paye

Not really. In order to pay a dividend you first have to make a profit...
on which you first pay corporation tax.

The combined tax take from Corp tax +Divi tax is little different from PAYE

[JagLover]

bazza white said:

Another 57 billion for waspi. Agree with the women or not it's a big chunk of money to find. I wonder how much more labour can add between now and the 12th.

Find?

To Labour taxpayers money is infinite and free and if they start running out they will just print some more.

[Burwood]

JagLover said:

bazza white said:

Another 57 billion for waspi. Agree with the women or not it's a big chunk of money to find. I wonder how much more labour can add between now and the 12th.

Find?

To Labour taxpayers money is infinite and free and if they start running out they will just print some more.

Latest polls showing 19% gap now. They can afford to make any promises they want. I’m calling 400 seats. Complete humiliation