Teenager slapped by Policeman
Discussion
esxste said:
That's what it appears to be in the video. I can't see obvious movement for the taser, even watching it again. I'm not an expert though, and I'm inclined, as subsequent posts have shown, to believe the Chief Constables explanation.
Coppers deal with tough situations, and losing control and going into red mist is a danger. You'll note I've not actually criticised the officer beyond that, suggested anything about his character, or suggested suitable consequences.
Again, would you prefer I instead post with glee about a girl being smacked in the face with the same information?
My point was that you were judging without knowing all the facts.Coppers deal with tough situations, and losing control and going into red mist is a danger. You'll note I've not actually criticised the officer beyond that, suggested anything about his character, or suggested suitable consequences.
Again, would you prefer I instead post with glee about a girl being smacked in the face with the same information?
You've mentioned red mist again but I see no evidence of that.
He looks pretty controlled to me - it's an open handed slap not a knockout punch.
You've mentioned training again. Again, he looks controlled and, IMO, the strike is lawful.
He probably didn't want to strike her and I'm pretty sure he didn't want to be assaulted but cops are not punchbags.
There's an easy way and a hard way.
Some people choose the hard way. That's their choice, not the police's.
esxste said:
I don't believe corporal punishment is an effective way to apply culpability.
My viewpoint is that such people experience violence enough in their lives, such that our allowing our society to dive to such a level would be ineffectual and valueless.
Unfortunately that same thought process has been adopted by the liberal elite in recent years. It's worked out really well don't you think.My viewpoint is that such people experience violence enough in their lives, such that our allowing our society to dive to such a level would be ineffectual and valueless.
Undisciplined children turn out to be undisciplined adults most of the time. The older they get the bigger the slap (metaphorical or not) will need to be applied to get them back in line.
Harry H said:
Unfortunately that same thought process has been adopted by the liberal elite in recent years. It's worked out really well don't you think.
Undisciplined children turn out to be undisciplined adults most of the time. The older they get the bigger the slap (metaphorical or not) will need to be applied to get them back in line.
You honestly think that these people, when raising their kids, are all liberal elite pacifists who wouldn't dare raise a hand to their kids?Undisciplined children turn out to be undisciplined adults most of the time. The older they get the bigger the slap (metaphorical or not) will need to be applied to get them back in line.
La Liga said:
I would associate open palm with 'red mist'. It's unnatural not to make a fist and requires conscious thought to do so, in my experience. As I wrote before, I wouldn't associate it with one action, either.
Surely ‘red mist’ would result in an automatic, natural response?This sounds more like a considered action as a result of an aggressive perpetrator.
esxste said:
pavarotti1980 said:
yes i think you should unless you feel it acceptable for the scum of society to act in such fashion with what the believe is no culpability
I don't believe corporal punishment is an effective way to apply culpability. My viewpoint is that such people experience violence enough in their lives, such that our allowing our society to dive to such a level would be ineffectual and valueless.
If the parents don't set an example of respect then those children won't ever know the meaning of the word and will simple apply the same blunt force rules to everyone else they come across.
Too many parents in this country seem to think the responsibility of parenting somehow lies with the police or teachers and yet don't accept the consequence of that mindset.
I'm not going to say good on the police because them having to do it is a sad indictment on society - but I really don't have a problem with what was done bearing in mind the circumstances.
garyhun said:
La Liga said:
I would associate open palm with 'red mist'. It's unnatural not to make a fist and requires conscious thought to do so, in my experience. As I wrote before, I wouldn't associate it with one action, either.
Surely ‘red mist’ would result in an automatic, natural response?This sounds more like a considered action as a result of an aggressive perpetrator.
More importantly, it's usually sustained i.e. multiple strikes. One open-palmed strike suggests a controlled, deliberate and planned strike.
pavarotti1980 said:
La Liga said:
I would associate open palm with 'red mist'. It's unnatural not to make a fist and requires conscious thought to do so, in my experience. As I wrote before, I wouldn't associate it with one action, either.
Isnt open palm hand strike in the manual?Shay HTFC said:
Thought it'd be clear cut, but its not at all.
To be honest, it looks like he just lost his rag and gave her a thwump. No noticeable signs that shes going for the taser, and didn't look like she was suddenly about to lunge or try and strike anyone. Understandable and good on the chief for defending him, but it definitely looks like a red mist moment!
The problem is from the video we have seen, we don't know what and for how long this has been going on before this. To be honest, it looks like he just lost his rag and gave her a thwump. No noticeable signs that shes going for the taser, and didn't look like she was suddenly about to lunge or try and strike anyone. Understandable and good on the chief for defending him, but it definitely looks like a red mist moment!
La Liga said:
garyhun said:
La Liga said:
I would associate open palm with 'red mist'. It's unnatural not to make a fist and requires conscious thought to do so, in my experience. As I wrote before, I wouldn't associate it with one action, either.
Surely ‘red mist’ would result in an automatic, natural response?This sounds more like a considered action as a result of an aggressive perpetrator.
More importantly, it's usually sustained i.e. multiple strikes. One open-palmed strike suggests a controlled, deliberate and planned strike.
pavarotti1980 said:
La Liga said:
I would associate open palm with 'red mist'. It's unnatural not to make a fist and requires conscious thought to do so, in my experience. As I wrote before, I wouldn't associate it with one action, either.
Isnt open palm hand strike in the manual?
Red 4 said:
Rovinghawk said:
ousy internet here so I haven't seen the video yet so won't comment on it.
However, do you really think pre-emptive strike is an acceptable procedure? Jesus wept.
Yes.However, do you really think pre-emptive strike is an acceptable procedure? Jesus wept.
And so does the law.
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k me, you're getting crucified on here today. First the Hillsborough nonsense you were spouting earlier and now this.Dear me.
FFS I bet all the people complaining would be straight on the phone asking the police to do something if they were in a situation with a bunch of teenagers fighting in the streets yet from the safety of their living room they act all outraged and think the police officer is out of order for actually doing something about it!
Nothing but a bunch of hypocrites.
I'd hate to be in that position, trying to subdue someone who is lashing out trying to grab and bunch you and before every reaction you have to think "is this acceptable, will it work, is their a risk to me, is this in line with police policy, will this stand up to public scrutiny and is what I'm about to do going to cost me my job?"
SOD THAT.
Nothing but a bunch of hypocrites.
I'd hate to be in that position, trying to subdue someone who is lashing out trying to grab and bunch you and before every reaction you have to think "is this acceptable, will it work, is their a risk to me, is this in line with police policy, will this stand up to public scrutiny and is what I'm about to do going to cost me my job?"
SOD THAT.
Red 4 said:
My point was that you were judging without knowing all the facts.
You've mentioned red mist again but I see no evidence of that.
He looks pretty controlled to me - it's an open handed slap not a knockout punch.
You've mentioned training again. Again, he looks controlled and, IMO, the strike is lawful.
He probably didn't want to strike her and I'm pretty sure he didn't want to be assaulted but cops are not punchbags.
There's an easy way and a hard way.
Some people choose the hard way. That's their choice, not the police's.
La Liga, and yourself, make good points about it being open handed; it clearly is and it supports the explanation that he saw her going for the taser. You've mentioned red mist again but I see no evidence of that.
He looks pretty controlled to me - it's an open handed slap not a knockout punch.
You've mentioned training again. Again, he looks controlled and, IMO, the strike is lawful.
He probably didn't want to strike her and I'm pretty sure he didn't want to be assaulted but cops are not punchbags.
There's an easy way and a hard way.
Some people choose the hard way. That's their choice, not the police's.
Still, with that in mind, what do you think of the other equally as uninformed posts celebrating a girl being punched?
esxste said:
Red 4 said:
My point was that you were judging without knowing all the facts.
You've mentioned red mist again but I see no evidence of that.
He looks pretty controlled to me - it's an open handed slap not a knockout punch.
You've mentioned training again. Again, he looks controlled and, IMO, the strike is lawful.
He probably didn't want to strike her and I'm pretty sure he didn't want to be assaulted but cops are not punchbags.
There's an easy way and a hard way.
Some people choose the hard way. That's their choice, not the police's.
La Liga, and yourself, make good points about it being open handed; it clearly is and it supports the explanation that he saw her going for the taser. You've mentioned red mist again but I see no evidence of that.
He looks pretty controlled to me - it's an open handed slap not a knockout punch.
You've mentioned training again. Again, he looks controlled and, IMO, the strike is lawful.
He probably didn't want to strike her and I'm pretty sure he didn't want to be assaulted but cops are not punchbags.
There's an easy way and a hard way.
Some people choose the hard way. That's their choice, not the police's.
Still, with that in mind, what do you think of the other equally as uninformed posts celebrating a girl being punched?
esxste said:
La Liga, and yourself, make good points about it being open handed; it clearly is and it supports the explanation that he saw her going for the taser.
Still, with that in mind, what do you think of the other equally as uninformed posts celebrating a girl being punched?
It shouldn't be celebrated.Still, with that in mind, what do you think of the other equally as uninformed posts celebrating a girl being punched?
Some may say she got what she deserved.
I'd say it was necessary and proportionate.
I've seen (and done) much worse. Scrapping with idiots isn't much fun, contrary to what some people may believe.
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