Teenager slapped by Policeman
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Wait a minute, how come when I stopped a chav beating an old man with a walking stick I spent 24 hours in the cells while they "investigated" her accusations of assault despite 4 or 5 witness statements that I only held her down and the CC is saying it's ok for his officers to smack someone in the face because they are doing their job, had a bit of abuse earlier and you've never been in the situation?
Surely as she was no threat there should be an investigation of assault, you know like what I had?
I'm not saying she shouldn't have got a smack though.
Sheets Tabuer said:
Wait a minute, how come when I stopped a chav beating an old man with a walking stick I spent 24 hours in the cells while they "investigated" her accusations of assault despite 4 or 5 witness statements that I only held her down and the CC is saying it's ok for his officers to smack someone in the face because they are doing their job, had a bit of abuse earlier and you've never been in the situation?
Surely as she was no threat there should be an investigation of assault, you know like what I had?
I'm not saying she shouldn't have got a smack though.
vsonix said:
Should've either let a female officer do the restraining or just stepped back and used the ol' pepper spray.
No need to start wrestling with a 14 year old teenage girl, not actually manage to restrain her very well anyway, and get all over social media for doing so. PC fail.
Why leave the female officer to deal with her alone? It's safer with two.No need to start wrestling with a 14 year old teenage girl, not actually manage to restrain her very well anyway, and get all over social media for doing so. PC fail.
There was every reason to restrain her, she'd just assaulted an OAP and was under arrest and violently resisting by biting.
Still, it would appear you know better.
esxste said:
The policewoman holds the policeman's arm down to stop him doing it again.
That tells me that she thought the action was inappropriate for the situation and he'd lost control and gone into red mist, and might end up hurting the girl seriously. He made her job harder because not only did she need to try control the girl, she also needed to control her partner.
It's not an easy job at all, but they're trained to deal with those situations without resorting to striking someone in the face.
You clearly have no idea.That tells me that she thought the action was inappropriate for the situation and he'd lost control and gone into red mist, and might end up hurting the girl seriously. He made her job harder because not only did she need to try control the girl, she also needed to control her partner.
It's not an easy job at all, but they're trained to deal with those situations without resorting to striking someone in the face.
esxste said:
It's not an easy job at all, but they're trained to deal with those situations without resorting to striking someone in the face.
An expert, are you? How many of those training sessions have you been to? I expect the reality is rather different from watching cops on The Bill jogging round a gym.Loyly said:
esxste said:
It's not an easy job at all, but they're trained to deal with those situations without resorting to striking someone in the face.
An expert, are you? How many of those training sessions have you been to? I expect the reality is rather different from watching cops on The Bill jogging round a gym.Greendubber said:
There was a threat, she was trying to grab a taser, bit the female officer and caused a facial injury to the male officer.
Well you definitely see it different to me, I saw a bloke a foot and a half taller than her holding her face, I doubt many would sit passively. Her hand was also on his left side the opposite to his taser, she was obviously defending herself. Lets be honest if his taser is getting in the way of restraining someone he should probably move it.I'm not saying he was wrong but he loved giving her a dig in the face, lets admit it.
Sheets Tabuer said:
Greendubber said:
There was a threat, she was trying to grab a taser, bit the female officer and caused a facial injury to the male officer.
Well you definitely see it different to me, I saw a bloke a foot and a half taller than her holding her face, I doubt many would sit passively. Her hand was also on his left side the opposite to his taser, she was obviously defending herself. Lets be honest if his taser is getting in the way of restraining someone he should probably move it.I'm not saying he was wrong but he loved giving her a dig in the face, lets admit it.
ks to me.vsonix said:
Should've either let a female officer do the restraining or just stepped back and used the ol' pepper spray.
No need to start wrestling with a 14 year old teenage girl, not actually manage to restrain her very well anyway, and get all over social media for doing so. PC fail.
The male officer couldn't step back because the lovely young lady had hold of his radio (which was attached to his stabby, which was attached to him).No need to start wrestling with a 14 year old teenage girl, not actually manage to restrain her very well anyway, and get all over social media for doing so. PC fail.
She then made a grab for the taser which was why she got a faceful of hand.
Sometimes there is every need to wrestle with a 14 year old.
Make an attempt to grab a weapon and don't be surprised when that is met with force.
Likewise, continue to resist then don't be surprised when that doesn't end well.
You're clearly an armchair expert though, so obviously you know best.
Sheets Tabuer said:
That's what investigations are for, to find out what happened, not just to say fk it he's plod so it's ok which is what his CC is implying.
The CC said the officers were assaulted and required hospital treatment.k it he's plod so it's ok which is what his CC is implying.He also said police officers don't go to work to be assaulted.
The press release says the officers used reasonable force to bring the incident under control.
Do you understand words or do you just fancy a bit of trolling ? The CC did not imply anything of the sort.
Red 4 said:
Do you understand words or do you just fancy a bit of trolling ? The CC did not imply anything of the sort.
You're getting very upset with someone having a counter view why is that? I've been locked up for the very same, well less actually, seems it's ok if you have police written on your back.The cc quite clearly said they had been at work and had abuse implying in anyone's book it's ok then, they had an excuse.
I'm not saying they didn't, I'm not saying they are wrong but like me investigate it not post on social media some 14 year shouted at them so it's all good.
Wonder if I can use that excuse if I get arrested again, it's ok chaps they gave a bit of lip earlier.
Sheets Tabuer said:
You're getting very upset with someone having a counter view why is that? I've been locked up for the very same, well less actually, seems it's ok if you have police written on your back.
The cc quite clearly said they had been at work and had abuse implying in anyone's book it's ok then, they had an excuse.
I'm not saying they didn't, I'm not saying they are wrong but like me investigate it not post on social media some 14 year shouted at them so it's all good.
Wonder if I can use that excuse if I get arrested again, it's ok chaps they gave a bit of lip earlier.
you appear to have a genuine grievance in respect to a situation you ended up in but it looks to be clouding your judgement in this instance. do you think this situation arose due to the girl shouting at the police ? it looked to me she also tried to scratch his eyes. some of the people i was at school with were nutcases,they were always in trouble with the police. some have now been in and out of jail,one even murdered recently in jail just prior to release from a life sentence. none of them would have fought back against a police officer when they were 14.The cc quite clearly said they had been at work and had abuse implying in anyone's book it's ok then, they had an excuse.
I'm not saying they didn't, I'm not saying they are wrong but like me investigate it not post on social media some 14 year shouted at them so it's all good.
Wonder if I can use that excuse if I get arrested again, it's ok chaps they gave a bit of lip earlier.
where does a kid of 14 even get the idea they should be fighting with the police ?
Sheets Tabuer said:
Well you definitely see it different to me, I saw a bloke a foot and a half taller than her holding her face, I doubt many would sit passively. Her hand was also on his left side the opposite to his taser, she was obviously defending herself. Lets be honest if his taser is getting in the way of restraining someone he should probably move it.
Move his taser from its holster. That sounds like really good advice for weapon retention. Sheets Tabuer said:
I'm not saying he was wrong but he loved giving her a dig in the face, lets admit it.
Did he? What complete and utter speculation. Sheets Tabuer said:
Greendubber said:
What makes you think he loved it, because it just sounds like you're talking bks to me.
That's what investigations are for, to find out what happened, not just to say fks to me.k it he's plod so it's ok which is what his CC is implying.That'd sure take up a lot of time. Who'd do all that work?
Or are you basing the necessity on how 'viral' a video goes?
The CC will have made a judgement as to the probability of the force being lawful and justified. It's not that hard to do when you have the relevant information at your disposal and know the law. Obviously the police have been asked to comment, so they can 'either' give some generic corporate statement, "We are aware of an incident and would like to reassure the community bla bla", or he can show a bit of leadership and publicly show he has his officers' backs when it's overwhelmingly likely they were justified in doing what they did.
What else would an investigation (which can still occur if either the 'victim' or a third party complains) really uncover which would change the outcome?
As someone else has mentioned, it seems your experience is somewhat skewing your judgement. You provided an account of your force during an interview, the police provided theirs from their statements. That places you both at the same stage where the outcome can be judged. It's just the internal one is quicker for obvious reasons.
Sheets Tabuer said:
Red 4 said:
Do you understand words or do you just fancy a bit of trolling ? The CC did not imply anything of the sort.
You're getting very upset with someone having a counter view why is that? I've been locked up for the very same, well less actually, seems it's ok if you have police written on your back.The cc quite clearly said they had been at work and had abuse implying in anyone's book it's ok then, they had an excuse.
I'm not saying they didn't, I'm not saying they are wrong but like me investigate it not post on social media some 14 year shouted at them so it's all good.
Wonder if I can use that excuse if I get arrested again, it's ok chaps they gave a bit of lip earlier.
She wasn't arrested because she shouted at them, she was under arrest because she assaulted a pensioner.
The matter has also been investigated.
Looking forward to your next jackanory post.
Edited by Greendubber on Wednesday 22 August 06:32
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