King 'Alex' of Scotland maybe in trouble
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BBC said:
judge Lady Dorrian set the trial date for 9 March next year.
The trial is expected to last about four weeks.
In other news, in a backroom deal Labour Leader Jeremy Corbyn has agreed with Nicola Sturgeon a date for a referendum on Scottish independence in return for SNP support in a co-alition.The trial is expected to last about four weeks.
The date he insisted upon was April 2nd 2020.
A.J.M said:
While innocent until proven guilty, you don’t bring such a list of allegations against such a prominent politician without strong evidence and a robust chance of winning.
Tell that to poor Carl Sargeant...anonymous allegations and no details given (but sounds like a hand on a leg type stuff...). Dead.https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/jul/11/wh...
Ken Figenus said:
Tell that to poor Carl Sargeant...anonymous allegations and no details given (but sounds like a hand on a leg type stuff...). Dead.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/jul/11/wh...
There's a crucial difference - the allegations against Sargeant never made it as far as police investigations and evidence gathering.https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/jul/11/wh...
Salmond wouldn't commit suicide anyway as he'd be killing the person he loves most in this world.
technodup said:
kev1974 said:
technodup said:
Far be it from me to defend the guy, but touching an arm or leg over clothing = sexual assault? Really?
Guess you missed the "attempting to kiss" that's in nearly all of them thenAnd the foot one
I get it, he's a lechy old fat guy, and I'm going to imagine the women are younger and relatively attractive, and I'm guessing the situations are 'work' ones where such activity would be frowned on anyway. I just think 'attempted to kiss a woman' doesn't sound much like the sort of thing I imagine when I hear the words 'sexual assault'.
Some blokes think they can just go around kissing any woman they feel like. If you're a young slightly built female and a fat old bloke is forcing himself on you, uninvited and unwanted, it's a sexual assault. The dinosaurs that do this kind of thing just don't realise it, or they do but think the law doesn't apply to them.
Obviously he deserves a fair trial and is innocent until proven guilty.
PurpleTurtle said:
This is precisely why we have this offence.
Some blokes think they can just go around kissing any woman they feel like. If you're a young slightly built female and a fat old bloke is forcing himself on you, uninvited and unwanted, it's a sexual assault. The dinosaurs that do this kind of thing just don't realise it, or they do but think the law doesn't apply to them.
Obviously he deserves a fair trial and is innocent until proven guilty.
Some blokes pretty much can. I used to manage a team with several attractive young women in it. We also had a pot bellied, glasses wearing, awful dresser guy of a few years older. They'd complain to me when he got too touchy feely, hugs etc. I guarantee this was primarily because they didn't find him attractive, not because of the hug per se. On a regular basis I'd see exactly the same thing involving better looking, younger guys and there'd be no complaint, and no 'offence'.Some blokes think they can just go around kissing any woman they feel like. If you're a young slightly built female and a fat old bloke is forcing himself on you, uninvited and unwanted, it's a sexual assault. The dinosaurs that do this kind of thing just don't realise it, or they do but think the law doesn't apply to them.
Obviously he deserves a fair trial and is innocent until proven guilty.
Obviously there are other factors at play in Salmond's case, seniority and persistence to name two, but it remains that if he was 30 years younger and good looking it would be a source of excitement at the water cooler, not a court case. Women don't generally get offended at good looking guys trying it on, and certainly wouldn't call it sexual assault (not at the touch on leg/attempted kiss stage anyway). Fat old men are different. I'm just not sure a law which essentially says 'if you're not in my league stay away' is the right way to go.
The attempted rape, pulling a dress up etc is clearly another level. I'm only talking about the stuff which happens every day, in every country forever, yet we now consider it beyond the pale. But only for ugly
s. technodup said:
ome blokes pretty much can. I used to manage a team with several attractive young women in it. We also had a pot bellied, glasses wearing, awful dresser guy of a few years older. They'd complain to me when he got too touchy feely, hugs etc. I guarantee this was primarily because they didn't find him attractive, not because of the hug per se. On a regular basis I'd see exactly the same thing involving better looking, younger guys and there'd be no complaint, and no 'offence'.
Obviously there are other factors at play in Salmond's case, seniority and persistence to name two, but it remains that if he was 30 years younger and good looking it would be a source of excitement at the water cooler, not a court case. Women don't generally get offended at good looking guys trying it on, and certainly wouldn't call it sexual assault (not at the touch on leg/attempted kiss stage anyway). Fat old men are different. I'm just not sure a law which essentially says 'if you're not in my league stay away' is the right way to go.
The attempted rape, pulling a dress up etc is clearly another level. I'm only talking about the stuff which happens every day, in every country forever, yet we now consider it beyond the pale. But only for uglys.
Wow..!!!! Obviously there are other factors at play in Salmond's case, seniority and persistence to name two, but it remains that if he was 30 years younger and good looking it would be a source of excitement at the water cooler, not a court case. Women don't generally get offended at good looking guys trying it on, and certainly wouldn't call it sexual assault (not at the touch on leg/attempted kiss stage anyway). Fat old men are different. I'm just not sure a law which essentially says 'if you're not in my league stay away' is the right way to go.
The attempted rape, pulling a dress up etc is clearly another level. I'm only talking about the stuff which happens every day, in every country forever, yet we now consider it beyond the pale. But only for ugly
s. If we're not careful we'll be giving them the vote soon too.....
Is it 1635 again?
10 complainants. That doesn't look good.
Why not? Depends on the nature of the touching.
Most people find it quite easy to navigate social interactions without committing crimes or being inappropriate. Even the 'uglys' from what I can see.
technodup said:
Far be it from me to defend the guy, but touching an arm or leg over clothing = sexual assault? Really?
The 'arms and hips' one. Why not? Depends on the nature of the touching.
technodup said:
The attempted rape, pulling a dress up etc is clearly another level. I'm only talking about the stuff which happens every day, in every country forever, yet we now consider it beyond the pale. But only for ugly s.
Maybe in your world. s. Most people find it quite easy to navigate social interactions without committing crimes or being inappropriate. Even the 'ugly
s' from what I can see. Piha said:
Wow..!!!!
If we're not careful we'll be giving them the vote soon too.....
Is it 1635 again?
I don't know what's wow about it. It's not controversial to suggest women prefer good looking guys to fat old ugly ones. I just don't think we need a law to deter the fatties whilst the good guys can fire right in. Doesn't seem fair to me, it should be a law for everyone, or no-one. But it's very much not.If we're not careful we'll be giving them the vote soon too.....
Is it 1635 again?
technodup said:
I don't know what's wow about it. It's not controversial to suggest women prefer good looking guys to fat old ugly ones. I just don't think we need a law to deter the fatties whilst the good guys can fire right in. Doesn't seem fair to me, it should be a law for everyone, or no-one. But it's very much not.
It is the women's choice who they accept the advances from. No different from young lads refusing the advances of an unattractive hag.It isn't difficult to understand if you get the idea of mutual consent. If a woman is happy to go with an ugly guy because of his money or power or whatever then so be it. The problem for me is when they cry foul after the fact, but absolutely none of the allegations against Salmond appear to me as someone who gave the come on and backed out later.
Edited by Evercross on Thursday 21st November 15:31
technodup said:
I don't know what's wow about it. It's not controversial to suggest women prefer good looking guys to fat old ugly ones. I just don't think we need a law to deter the fatties whilst the good guys can fire right in. Doesn't seem fair to me, it should be a law for everyone, or no-one. But it's very much not.
It's the way you seem to think that the "good guys" are behaving normally, and the uggos are excluded from this normal behaviour because they're ugly that makes it sound like it's straight from the incel textboox.Do those "good guys" go around touching men like that? There's a hint for you.
technodup said:
I don't know what's wow about it. It's not controversial to suggest women prefer good looking guys to fat old ugly ones. I just don't think we need a law to deter the fatties whilst the good guys can fire right in. Doesn't seem fair to me, it should be a law for everyone, or no-one. But it's very much not.
I would hazard a guess that is not for a gentleman to decide whom he can lay his hands on. I believe the law agrees with this sentiment too.And your comments on Cherry are remarkably enlightening!
Digga said:
La Liga said:
Most people find it quite easy to navigate social interactions without committing crimes or being inappropriate.
I do not get the blind spot. Perhaps it just boils down to whether or not men have women that they consider friends?Probably from the types who proclaim that dating / consent / normal work interactions are some sort of minefield for men.
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