Traffic warden gets a kicking in Birmingham
Discussion
del mar said:
No 1st or 2nd generation migrant should be in a situation where they can collect benefits. The fact that we have millions that do suggests our immigration policies have failed.
Millions!? I find that extremely hard to believe, assuming you're just talking about immigrants. There's only a few million benefit claimants in the total population aren't there? T0MMY said:
There's only a few million benefit claimants in the total population aren't there?
Depends on what you count as "benefits".If we're talking about Job Seeker's Allowance, then if I'm driving this correctly, there's about 380,000 people nationally - of whom less than 29,000 identified themselves as "Asian" or "Asian British", of whom just 1,665 are males 18-24.
TooMany2cvs said:
Depends on what you count as "benefits".
If we're talking about Job Seeker's Allowance, then if I'm driving this correctly, there's about 380,000 people nationally - of whom less than 29,000 identified themselves as "Asian" or "Asian British", of whom just 1,665 are males 18-24.
I was just thinking of some poorly remembered figure I'd heard but I assume it included everything (housing, disability, tax credits etc. etc.).If we're talking about Job Seeker's Allowance, then if I'm driving this correctly, there's about 380,000 people nationally - of whom less than 29,000 identified themselves as "Asian" or "Asian British", of whom just 1,665 are males 18-24.
T0MMY said:
I was just thinking of some poorly remembered figure I'd heard but I assume it included everything (housing, disability, tax credits etc. etc.).
Bearing in mind every parent of a child <16 (<20 in full time education) gets Child Benefit unless they or their partner is earning £60k+...<rummages for some official figures>
In 2015-16, that was 94% of all households with children. Then there were 3.8m households claiming Child Tax Credits, and 2.24m claiming Working Tax Credits, some of whom would have overlapped.
Edited by TooMany2cvs on Sunday 16th September 22:01
TooMany2cvs said:
Bearing in mind every parent of a child <16 (<20 in full time education) gets Child Benefit unless they or their partner is earning £60k+...
<rummages for some official figures>
In 2015-16, that was 94% of all households with children. Then there were 3.8m households claiming Child Tax Credits, and 2.24m claiming Working Tax Credits, some of whom would have overlapped.
Ah well there you go; rich pickings for the Daily Mail writers who can conflate that with everyone living the millionaires lifestyle on the dole.<rummages for some official figures>
In 2015-16, that was 94% of all households with children. Then there were 3.8m households claiming Child Tax Credits, and 2.24m claiming Working Tax Credits, some of whom would have overlapped.
hairyben said:
justification is a matter of opinion, my bit is that their behaviour is such that its inevitable, many of you are lucky enough not to appreciate this.
Its my understanding a lot more of them get biffed than they like to let on.
May I ask, Ben, with your belief that serious assault is the way to sort out disputes, how did you manage to get to the top of a FTSE100 company?Its my understanding a lot more of them get biffed than they like to let on.
Attitudes like yours are more often found among people at the bottom of the pile, the human detritus that rightly never go far. What did you do to break out of that path, and not end up working out of a van or the like?
James_B said:
May I ask, Ben, with your belief that serious assault is the way to sort out disputes, how did you manage to get to the top of a FTSE100 company?
What makes you think he runs a FTSE100 company?From what he posts here, he sounds like an electrician who gets angry when he gets fined for parking like a t
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James_B said:
TooMany2cvs said:
You seriously think there's real equality of opportunity in this country?
Not far off, yes. Which opportunities do you feel that you were denied?Did you not get into Oxbridge because of the wrong accent, perhaps?
Countdown said:
James_B said:
TooMany2cvs said:
You seriously think there's real equality of opportunity in this country?
Not far off, yes. Which opportunities do you feel that you were denied?Did you not get into Oxbridge because of the wrong accent, perhaps?
Anyone can be successful, no matter their start in life. Everyone has equal opportunity in that respect. Nobody is prevented from becoming successful due to their upbringing, though their route to success may be different due to that start.
James_B said:
TooMany2cvs said:
You seriously think there's real equality of opportunity in this country?
Not far off, yes. Which opportunities do you feel that you were denied?Did you not get into Oxbridge because of the wrong accent, perhaps?
So, no, I don't feel I was denied any opportunities.
Do you think somebody growing up in a household without those advantages could honestly say the same?
TooMany2cvs said:
del mar said:
Our main immigrant groups are over represented in the prison system and in those living in poverty.
Past immigration policies have allowed in the wrong type of migrant in.
Or perhaps entrenched racism has kept people from fulfilling their potential, keeping them in poverty and leading to massive disillusionment?Past immigration policies have allowed in the wrong type of migrant in.
Perhaps we should have spent money that went on this policy instead on education and training of the current population who were trapped in poverty.
Not saying either is right just If you believe they ended up as they were due to racism then multi cultural policies were themselves misguided
Countdown said:
James_B said:
TooMany2cvs said:
You seriously think there's real equality of opportunity in this country?
Not far off, yes. Which opportunities do you feel that you were denied?Did you not get into Oxbridge because of the wrong accent, perhaps?
I don't get it as I was brought up with civility and security but having manners, working hard and not being hot headed shouldn't be to much of a reach for anyone.
CooperS said:
The problem for me is that regardless of prosperity chances whether your at one end of the scale or the other no one should think it ok to act like this.
Nobody is suggesting it is.This is about del mar suggesting that it's inherent to people of a certain background, who can't possibly be expected to live like the rest of us.
TooMany2cvs said:
I grew up in a nice middle-class white anglo-saxon household in a prosperous part of the country, and went to a comp that was consistently rated as one of the best.
So, no, I don't feel I was denied any opportunities.
Do you think somebody growing up in a household without those advantages could honestly say the same?
So, no, I don't feel I was denied any opportunities.
Do you think somebody growing up in a household without those advantages could honestly say the same?
Yes, I do.
I grew up in a working class household in a cack part of the country, and went to a meh school. My father was an immigrant too, but you'll have to knock some points off for his skin colour
What opportunity did you have that you think I've been denied?
Countdown said:
Do you think somebody who went to a failing comprehensive school has the same opportunities as somebody who went to Eton, for example? We don’t all start from the same point in life due to a multitude of factors, many of which are outside our control (housing, parental income, role models, home stability, educational opportunities). That doesn’t necessarily mean that people can’t improve their lives/prospects/outcomes but it’s stupid to suggest that we have near equality of opportunity.
You are right - however a key question is whether people from a poorer background do have some means of improving their lives via education etc.It’s having a way to make the best from what you’re born with and born into.
I live in Asia ... where kids from wealthy families will inherit $ ‘00s of millions ... and live like characters in Crazy Rich Asians. ( one of the houses in the film is Just down the road from me...)
I’ll never have that scale of opportunity - same for 99.9% of people here.
People from a relatively poor background can still do well if they are intelligent and/ or hard working enough.
A local friend who comes from parents who were really quite poor ... and who was told she would not have any school or college fees paid ... has made a few $ mill by late 30s working in banking ( smart and works hard ).... it can be done.
She’ll never compete with the ‘posh boys’ who drive around in daddy’s Ferrari or Lambo while not really doing any meaningful work while waiting for their inheritance ... but what she has she has achieved by herself..
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