Traffic warden gets a kicking in Birmingham
Discussion
T0MMY said:
I agree with some of what you said but frankly, to the Daily Mail crowd the asian population is about as welcome as a fart in a spacesuit and it's kind of a two way street. I think it's pretty clear from some of the comments in this thread that many white brits don't want integration, while simultaenously using it as a smokescreen for their prejudices. In my experience they don't like integrated foreigners (and most especially Muslims) any more than they like the ones who live within their own community. A friend of mine who's half egyptian got the s
t kicked out of him in Aberdeen for being "muslim"...he was walking home from the pub, wearing western clothes, not even religious, works as a science teacher...integrated in nearly every way apart from that his face was "muslim".
I said that, in regards as to what white brits might not want, at the end of the first paragraph.t kicked out of him in Aberdeen for being "muslim"...he was walking home from the pub, wearing western clothes, not even religious, works as a science teacher...integrated in nearly every way apart from that his face was "muslim". tannhauser said:
How naiive 
Was anyone actually consulted, as to whether we want to live in this supposedly utopian, multicultural, happy clappy society?!
Not sure how well you’ve followed the history of this island, but we are all immigrants really. What makes you any different to any of these people ?Was anyone actually consulted, as to whether we want to live in this supposedly utopian, multicultural, happy clappy society?!
del mar said:
Which part is wrong ?
There is nothing wrong with removing the cap on skilled workers that we need and those that are a benefit, i have never been against the immigration of people we need and those that make a contribution.
Some of those we need (eg workers prepared to do the very low paid and menial jobs - cleaning, fruit growing, etc) don't earn enough to "make a contribution". Should we let them in or not?There is nothing wrong with removing the cap on skilled workers that we need and those that are a benefit, i have never been against the immigration of people we need and those that make a contribution.
colin_p said:
Yes, but if only it stopped at a bit of street fighting...
Raping our school children en mass
Blowing our children up at pop concerts
Blowing us up on trains
Blowing us up on buses
Cutting the heads off our soldiers in broad daylight
Running us over and then getting out and going on a stab-fest.
And all the other low(er) level criminality that they seem to get away with because they are, and know they are, largely untouchable because everyone is scared wittless of being called a racist.
Take your pick, and the above are not just confined to the UK, but anywhere in the West that has been suitably enriched.
White working class scum, come nowhere close.
Proof if it were needed of the effect the Dail Mail has on you. I'd love to think you might be able to understand that but I assume this is futile. Anyway... Raping our school children en mass
Blowing our children up at pop concerts
Blowing us up on trains
Blowing us up on buses
Cutting the heads off our soldiers in broad daylight
Running us over and then getting out and going on a stab-fest.
And all the other low(er) level criminality that they seem to get away with because they are, and know they are, largely untouchable because everyone is scared wittless of being called a racist.
Take your pick, and the above are not just confined to the UK, but anywhere in the West that has been suitably enriched.
White working class scum, come nowhere close.
So paedophilia...hardly unique to asians, in fact I believe that while they are over-represented in the specific case of grooming gangs, whites are over-represented in overall child sex offence convictions.
Terrorism...well yes, obviously currently more prevalent among Muslims (not that it's unknown among Christians of course), but with all the attacks you've listed there we can count about what, 20, 30 people responsible? There are 4 million Muslims in the UK, do you think it's reasonable to judge them all on the basis of 0.00075% of the population? Or to put it another way, I bet more than 0.00075% of the white Christian population in the UK are child sex offenders. Happy to be lumped in with them? Assuming you are white too?
As for your last point, I have to assume this is just a vague notion that these dastardly asians must be much more criminal than either conviction figures or basic common sense suggests because the alternative is that the Daily Mail is lying to you. This presumably is why you also believe they go to court and are just let off for being asian.
Edited by T0MMY on Tuesday 18th September 18:29
tannhauser said:
jcremonini said:
Personally, I think multiculturalism is working in the main .
How naiive Was anyone actually consulted, as to whether we want to live in this supposedly utopian, multicultural, happy clappy society?!
Cameron said it
Sarkozy said it
Minsters from Spain and Italy have said it has failed.
An anti immigrant party is second largest in Sweden - it has failed there.
It is so bad in Germany that merkel has said it has failed twice !
del mar said:
An anti immigrant party is second largest in Sweden - it has failed there.
<20% of the vote.And Merkel didn't say the concept had failed, she said that the practice had failed to deliver the concept.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/oct/17/ange...
That's as much down to whites failing to accept reality as to migrants failing to learn the language.
That article said:
One recent poll showed one-third of Germans believed the country was "overrun by foreigners".
It also found 55% of Germans believed that Arabs are "unpleasant people", compared with the 44% who held the opinion seven years ago.
It also found 55% of Germans believed that Arabs are "unpleasant people", compared with the 44% who held the opinion seven years ago.
TooMany2cvs said:
del mar said:
If those named above are a fiscal benefit, and or are In a position to support themselves with no recourse to nhs and education then I have no issue with that.
So there we go. It's all about money, not about origin.Any thoughts on this?
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/eu-...
del mar said:
The royal family is a tricky one, I am not sure they are a benefit......
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/analys...Edited by TooMany2cvs on Tuesday 18th September 14:21
T0MMY said:
colin_p said:
Yes, but if only it stopped at a bit of street fighting...
Raping our school children en mass
Blowing our children up at pop concerts
Blowing us up on trains
Blowing us up on buses
Cutting the heads off our soldiers in broad daylight
Running us over and then getting out and going on a stab-fest.
And all the other low(er) level criminality that they seem to get away with because they are, and know they are, largely untouchable because everyone is scared wittless of being called a racist.
Take your pick, and the above are not just confined to the UK, but anywhere in the West that has been suitably enriched.
White working class scum, come nowhere close.
Proof if it were needed of the effect the Dail Mail has on you. I'd love to think you might be able to understand that but I assume this is futile. Anyway... Raping our school children en mass
Blowing our children up at pop concerts
Blowing us up on trains
Blowing us up on buses
Cutting the heads off our soldiers in broad daylight
Running us over and then getting out and going on a stab-fest.
And all the other low(er) level criminality that they seem to get away with because they are, and know they are, largely untouchable because everyone is scared wittless of being called a racist.
Take your pick, and the above are not just confined to the UK, but anywhere in the West that has been suitably enriched.
White working class scum, come nowhere close.
So paedophilia...hardly unique to asians, in fact I believe that while they are over-represented in the specific case of grooming gangs, whites are over-represented in overall child sex offence convictions.
Terrorism...well yes, obviously currently more prevalent among Muslims (not that it's unknown among Christians of course), but with all the attacks you've listed there we can count about what, 20, 30 people responsible? There are 4 million Muslims in the UK, do you think it's reasonable to judge them all on the basis of 0.00075% of the population? Or to put it another way, I bet more than 0.00075% of the white Christian population in the UK are child sex offenders. Happy to be lumped in with them? Assuming you are white too?
As for your last point, I have to assume this is just a vague notion that these dastardly asians must be much more criminal than either conviction figures or basic common sense suggests because the alternative is that the Daily Mail is lying to you. This presumably is why you also believe they go to court and are just let off for being asian.
Edited by T0MMY on Tuesday 18th September 18:29
T0MMY said:
Proof if it were needed of the effect the Dail Mail has on you. I'd love to think you might be able to understand that but I assume this is futile. Anyway...
Why shouldn't the Mail report on the news, when it is news. And why do, say, the BBC ignore so much of it? The answer is that it doesn't fit in with the mutli-culti-enrichment-everyone's a winner-happy clappy agenda. Pretending things didn't and don't happen are never going to stop them happening and by doing so will have the opposite effect to that intended.T0MMY said:
So paedophilia...hardly unique to asians, in fact I believe that while they are over-represented in the specific case of grooming gangs, whites are over-represented in overall child sex offence convictions.
It is how they do it.When their prophet is given as the perfect example of a man and who's life and behaviour should be emulated marries a six year old..... what could possibly go wrong?
T0MMY said:
Terrorism...well yes, obviously currently more prevalent among Muslims (not that it's unknown among Christians of course), but with all the attacks you've listed there we can count about what, 20, 30 people responsible? There are 4 million Muslims in the UK, do you think it's reasonable to judge them all on the basis of 0.00075% of the population? Or to put it another way, I bet more than 0.00075% of the white Christian population in the UK are child sex offenders. Happy to be lumped in with them? Assuming you are white too?
Again it is how they do it.Parts of the religious texts could be likened to a terrorists handbook. Thankfully most ignore those bits. Any comparison to christianity is invalid because christianity had the reformation. Furthermore most of the indiginous white population follow no religion, I know very few who do.
And don't forget the watch lists, 30,000 or whatever was the latest figure, a few more than 20 or 30, not forgetting the 500 or so who went to fight for isis who we have just let come home.
T0MMY said:
As for your last point, I have to assume this is just a vague notion that these dastardly asians must be much more criminal than either conviction figures or basic common sense suggests because the alternative is that the Daily Mail is lying to you. This presumably is why you also believe they go to court and are just let off for being asian.
I'm surprised you made the mistake of lumping all asians together as a collective.As for the courts, thankfully they seem to be doing their job as certain prison populations are far more represented than their demographic would suggest.
No doubt some bright leftist spark will soon come out and say jury's are racist, or something.
jcremonini said:
...Where it fails is when you have pockets of ethnicities living within towns and cities, failing to engage or interact with other ethnicities. If you look at parts of Birmingham there are single, non indigenous, ethnicities making up the vast majority of the population and this is just wrong - more needs to be done to stop this from happening...
To be fair I wouldn't want to live in a poor white area if I were a poor non white immigrant either.TooMany2cvs said:
markcoznottz said:
Because uk business doesn't invest in training or automation.
So, since it's all minimum-wage unskilled jobs being filled - we keep being told - there's actually zero jobs being taken, right?colin_p said:
T0MMY said:
Proof if it were needed of the effect the Dail Mail has on you. I'd love to think you might be able to understand that but I assume this is futile. Anyway...
Why shouldn't the Mail report on the news, when it is news. And why do, say, the BBC ignore so much of it? The answer is that it doesn't fit in with the mutli-culti-enrichment-everyone's a winner-happy clappy agenda. Pretending things didn't and don't happen are never going to stop them happening and by doing so will have the opposite effect to that intended.T0MMY said:
So paedophilia...hardly unique to asians, in fact I believe that while they are over-represented in the specific case of grooming gangs, whites are over-represented in overall child sex offence convictions.
It is how they do it.When their prophet is given as the perfect example of a man and who's life and behaviour should be emulated marries a six year old..... what could possibly go wrong?
T0MMY said:
Terrorism...well yes, obviously currently more prevalent among Muslims (not that it's unknown among Christians of course), but with all the attacks you've listed there we can count about what, 20, 30 people responsible? There are 4 million Muslims in the UK, do you think it's reasonable to judge them all on the basis of 0.00075% of the population? Or to put it another way, I bet more than 0.00075% of the white Christian population in the UK are child sex offenders. Happy to be lumped in with them? Assuming you are white too?
Again it is how they do it.Parts of the religious texts could be likened to a terrorists handbook. Thankfully most ignore those bits. Any comparison to christianity is invalid because christianity had the reformation. Furthermore most of the indiginous white population follow no religion, I know very few who do.
And don't forget the watch lists, 30,000 or whatever was the latest figure, a few more than 20 or 30, not forgetting the 500 or so who went to fight for isis who we have just let come home.
T0MMY said:
As for your last point, I have to assume this is just a vague notion that these dastardly asians must be much more criminal than either conviction figures or basic common sense suggests because the alternative is that the Daily Mail is lying to you. This presumably is why you also believe they go to court and are just let off for being asian.
I'm surprised you made the mistake of lumping all asians together as a collective.As for the courts, thankfully they seem to be doing their job as certain prison populations are far more represented than their demographic would suggest.
No doubt some bright leftist spark will soon come out and say jury's are racist, or something.
Let's pick up on one of the many bits of "fake news" in the post.
The 30,000 on the watchlist. It was 20,000 who had been of interest at some point and around 5,000 of active interest.
That's across all terrorism suspects, of all race, colour and religion (or lack thereof).
In fact, more white people than any other ethnic group were arrested for terrorist offences last year - https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/terror...
Here's another of colin_p's inaccuracies - that we let 500 Isis fighters just come back home. They all held British passports so we couldn't stop them coming home. Most will have been under surveillance since returning, but we can't prosecute them for fighting out there without evidence.
One more error. Yes, Muslims are overrepresented in prison, but he conveniently ignores the fact that Christians are even more overrepresented.
colin_p said:
Why shouldn't the Mail report on the news, when it is news. And why do, say, the BBC ignore so much of it? The answer is that it doesn't fit in with the mutli-culti-enrichment-everyone's a winner-happy clappy agenda. Pretending things didn't and don't happen are never going to stop them happening and by doing so will have the opposite effect to that intended.
It's a question of what they choose to report. What stories that are actually news do the BBC ignore? If you think they should be reporting more asian petty crime do you think they should also report more white petty crime? As for the rest of your comments, I'm not sure what you mean by "it's how they do it"? Is the white version of child molestation better?
Figures on terrorism...if I'm charitable and say that literally every muslim on a watch list is a potential terrorist that would still be less than 1% of the population. Would you like to accept full ownership of any vile act that less than 1% of your ethnic or religious group is guilty of?
The thing I find bizarre with your point of view is that you know full well that white brits are a mixed bunch on any trait you care to mention...political views, morality, criminality, work ethic, intelligence etc. etc. I'm sure you absolutely despise many white brits for where they sit on some of those scales. How do you then manage to simultaneously believe that other races are somehow completely homogenous and can be completely described by a single character type?
rscott said:
One more error. Yes, Muslims are overrepresented in prison, but he conveniently ignores the fact that Christians are even more overrepresented.
...and to expand on that, I wonder what the figures look like if you take into account socioeconomic staus? I haven't checked stats on any of this so maybe someone will correct me but I believe black people are overrepresented in crime stats but I would assume they are also overrepresented in poverty stats. I guess the same would be true for muslims and immigrants in general. I wonder what the figures would look like if you compared like for like as criminality in higher socioeconomic groups is, I assume, far lower?T0MMY said:
The thing I find bizarre with your point of view is that you know full well that white brits are a mixed bunch on any trait you care to mention...political views, morality, criminality, work ethic, intelligence etc. etc. I'm sure you absolutely despise many white brits for where they sit on some of those scales. How do you then manage to simultaneously believe that other races are somehow completely homogenous and can be completely described by a single character type?
It's the assumption by the likes of colin_p and others that if these sick individuals are Muslims they have committed the crimes because of their faith. Yet they never look for a religious reason why white, often claiming to be Christian, sts also carry out very similar crimes.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff