Traffic warden gets a kicking in Birmingham

[rscott]

I'd say this is a relevant news story - https://news.sky.com/story/telford-grooming-victim... .
Yet can't find any trace of it on the Daily Mail.,..

[T0MMY]

rscott said:

It's the assumption by the likes of colin_p and others that if these sick individuals are Muslims they have committed the crimes because of their faith. Yet they never look for a religious reason why white, often claiming to be Christian, sts also carry out very similar crimes.

I'm not even talking about terrorism or crime though, just this general notion about tribal uniformity. The kind of people that have this view often see differences of opinion with their fellow whites all too clearly in their hatred of "liberals" yet somehow can't conceive of the idea that other "tribes" might have similar profound differences in outlook.

[Alpinestars]

Why on earth are you guys using facts on such emotive subjects? Perception is 10/10ths reality in Colin and Del’s world.

[del mar]

TooMany2cvs said:

del mar said:

An anti immigrant party is second largest in Sweden - it has failed there.

<20% of the vote.

And Merkel didn't say the concept had failed, she said that the practice had failed to deliver the concept.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/oct/17/ange...

That's as much down to whites failing to accept reality as to migrants failing to learn the language.

That article said:

One recent poll showed one-third of Germans believed the country was "overrun by foreigners".

It also found 55% of Germans believed that Arabs are "unpleasant people", compared with the 44% who held the opinion seven years ago.

She also said it was a sham, use of words aside it has not been a success in Germany.

Perhaps the whites didn’t see any benefit / want it ?

[del mar]

markcoznottz said:

75% of immigration is non eu. According to the House of Lords review they are a net cost or at best marginal. I'm sure you are intelligent to know why these people are REALLY here. Because uk business doesn't invest in training or automation. It also keeps wage inflation low. Turns out one of the biggest users of non eu workers is the NHS, so even the government themselves are gaming us . The treasury like immigration because it increases GDP and this kills debt interest. The fact that the Pakistani community have managed to create thier own underclass is a side show.

Non eu migrants are a net cost the UK £15billion a year(ucl report 2014)

I wouldn’t consider that “marginal”

Rscott pointed out that 27% of nhs workers in London were non eu, and the population of London who were non eu was ....... 25%

We need them to come with the high number of migrants.

[T0MMY]

Alpinestars said:

Why on earth are you guys using facts on such emotive subjects? Perception is 10/10ths reality in Colin and Del’s world.

Yep, this is why it's a losing battle. You can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themself into. Putting forward the idea that the best measure of an individual's character is...well, their individual character, just puts you into another little tribe in their eyes...that of the evil "liberal". To me it just seems the rational view to take.

[anonymous-user]

citizensm1th said:

fblm said:

To be fair I wouldn't want to live in a poor white area if I were a poor non white immigrant either.

To be fair I wouldn't want to live in a poor white area if I were a poor white non immigrant either...

My point exactly! We can hardly criticize immigrants from living in ‘immigrant areas’ when we have no wish to live in the native alternative either.

[T0MMY]

del mar said:

Non eu migrants are a net cost the UK £15billion a year(ucl report 2014)

I'm reading that report now and it seems to suggest that while non-eu migrants were a net cost 1995-2001 they're a lower net cost than native brits. It also seems to suggest that migrants entering the country since 2001 are a net gain. The overall conclusion of the report seems to be that the fiscal impact of immigration both from the EU and from outside has been positive? Just scanning it so correct me if I'm wrong.

Edited by T0MMY on Tuesday 18th September 20:51

[citizensm1th]

fblm said:

citizensm1th said:

fblm said:

To be fair I wouldn't want to live in a poor white area if I were a poor non white immigrant either.

To be fair I wouldn't want to live in a poor white area if I were a poor white non immigrant either...

My point exactly! We can hardly criticize immigrants from living in ‘immigrant areas’ when we have no wish to live in the native alternative either.

Agreed and when people fall into such an underclass for want of a better word it is no surprise they feel they have nothing to gain by conforming to societal norms no matter what colour or creed they are.

[dandarez]

rscott said:

I'd say this is a relevant news story - https://news.sky.com/story/telford-grooming-victim... .
Yet can't find any trace of it on the Daily Mail.,..

nor on the Telegraph, the Independent, the Sun, the Star, the Express, the Guardian, the Mirror, the Times et al.

Give it time, after all it was an exclusive for Jason Farrell on Sky News only a little earlier this evening.

[colin_p]

T0MMY said:

Alpinestars said:

Why on earth are you guys using facts on such emotive subjects? Perception is 10/10ths reality in Colin and Del’s world.

Yep, this is why it's a losing battle. You can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themself into. Putting forward the idea that the best measure of an individual's character is...well, their individual character, just puts you into another little tribe in their eyes...that of the evil "liberal". To me it just seems the rational view to take.

How do liberals convince themselves that things, in general and as a result of mass immigration, have not made this country worse?

Or is it some mass post colonial reparation guilt trip?

If it is, they need some better drugs as that is a bad trip.

[T0MMY]

colin_p said:

How do liberals convince themselves that things, in general and as a result of mass immigration, have not made this country worse?

Or is it some mass post colonial reparation guilt trip?

If it is, they need some better drugs as that is a bad trip.

I don't recall offering up any opinion on whether the country was better or worse as a result of immigration, I'm not sure I even could, given it started before I was born and given the vast array of other things that have changed in the same time frame that have also affected how "good" the country is.

The point is Colin, that by basing your idea of immigration on ridiculous demonisation, you sort of lose the ability to offer any valid, sensible opinion on it. How can you possibly thrash out the benefits and disbenefits of immigration when your disbenefits begin with ridiculous assertions like "they're all paedos" and "they're all terrorists"?

Did you have any thoughts on my question from before by the way? Do you think it's only white people that have varying characters and opinions?

Edited by T0MMY on Tuesday 18th September 22:31

[Alpinestars]

colin_p said:

How do liberals convince themselves that things, in general and as a result of mass immigration, have not made this country worse?

Or is it some mass post colonial reparation guilt trip?

If it is, they need some better drugs as that is a bad trip.

Who do you define as immigrants?

[citizensm1th]

Alpinestars said:

colin_p said:

How do liberals convince themselves that things, in general and as a result of mass immigration, have not made this country worse?

Or is it some mass post colonial reparation guilt trip?

If it is, they need some better drugs as that is a bad trip.

Who do you define as immigrants?

I wonder who he defines as liberal, i doubt there are many of them on PH.

[T0MMY]

citizensm1th said:

I wonder who he defines as liberal, i doubt there are many of them on PH.

Some people seem to use the same degree of tribalism to define liberals that they use to define entire ethnic groups or religions. Having what would be considered one "liberal" opinion suddenly means you also hold just about every other "liberal" opinion, whatever they may be. It's all part of the same black and white, unnuanced demonisation that can be used to swiftly dismiss someones arguments in place of making actual valid points. People are much more complicated than that, even immigrants

[anonymous-user]

Gary C said:

hairyben said:

if you go around defrauding people the way they do, issueing illegal and unfair tickets, this is inevitable so yeah no pity whatsoever.

No difference between them and someone who threatens you with a knife for your watch.

Ffs, this guy for real ?

You need help.

He's right, up to a point. They do issue dodgy tickets, or at least did when they wrote them by hand, I don't think their employers trust them to do that anymore; it was no different to theft. It looks like there was more to it than just nicking his scooter no?

[T0MMY]

fblm said:

He's right, up to a point. They do issue dodgy tickets, or at least did when they wrote them by hand, I don't think their employers trust them to do that anymore; it was no different to theft. It looks like there was more to it than just nicking his scooter no?

This thread has gone so far off topic that this on topic post is now off topic

[anonymous-user]

T0MMY said:

fblm said:

He's right, up to a point. They do issue dodgy tickets, or at least did when they wrote them by hand, I don't think their employers trust them to do that anymore; it was no different to theft. It looks like there was more to it than just nicking his scooter no?

This thread has gone so far off topic that this on topic post is now off topic

If a hatred of traffic wardens can't bring us all closer together, there's no hope!

[T0MMY]

fblm said:

If a hatred of traffic wardens can't bring us all closer together, there's no hope!

Well I did mention earlier in this thread that kicking the st out of some poor bd almost seemed like a good example of integration into British culture.

[anonymous-user]

T0MMY said:

Well I did mention earlier in this thread that kicking the st out of some poor bd almost seemed like a good example of integration into British culture.