Traffic warden gets a kicking in Birmingham

[simoid]

SuperApeInGoodShape said:

simoid said:

Well, if you don’t want multiculturalism, you want one culture which is a bit... well, what’s the word again?

Sensible? There are no arguments for the effects of low skilled and/or low cost foreign workers on UK wages in your mind evidently par example. Immigrants aren't just POC you know.

What about the inflationary effects on housing stock?

Blair has completely convinced you, as a pavlovian response, that this is defacto racist.

I’ve been convinced of nothing like that. You’re not making an argument against a multicultural state, making an argument against higher levels of immigration of low skilled and/or cost labour. Can’t you tell see the difference?

A wish for a single culture is quite literally “defacto” (sic) racist.

[del mar]

Pesty said:

Leicester Loyal said:

Will they be idenified and arrested? Unlikely.

Number 2 has some nose on him, somebody will recognise that !

An immigrant toe rag is no worse than our homegrown ones, but it has to question our past immigration policies.

These kids will be 2nd maybe 3rd generation immigrants, how within 1 or 2 generations has the immigration dream gone so wrong ?

Or was the dream flawed in the first place ....

[Downward]

A 20 year old was arrested yesterday.

[simoid]

del mar said:

Number 2 has some nose on him, somebody will recognise that !

An immigrant toe rag is no worse than our homegrown ones, but it has to question our past immigration policies.

These kids will be 2nd maybe 3rd generation immigrants, how within 1 or 2 generations has the immigration dream gone so wrong ?

Or was the dream flawed in the first place ....

Are you expecting flawless behaviour from all “3rd generation immigrants”?

Surely a percentage of every generation of immigrants will be toerags? Even whichever generation immigrant you are.

[Greendubber]

Leicester Loyal said:

Will they be idenified and arrested? Unlikely.

One was arrested yesterday and another has handed himself in today, so yes very likely.

[T0MMY]

simoid said:

Are you expecting flawless behaviour from all “3rd generation immigrants”?

Surely a percentage of every generation of immigrants will be toerags? Even whichever generation immigrant you are.

Yep, we've got toerags of every ethnicity, not least among white Brits. In a way you could argue that these chaps have integrated rather well into British culture

[TooMany2cvs]

simoid said:

A wish for a single culture is quite literally “defacto” (sic) racist.

<nods>

...and I didn't see any birth certificates clearly in that video, either, so have no idea what part "immigration" may or may not have played in these people's lives.

[del mar]

simoid said:

Are you expecting flawless behaviour from all “3rd generation immigrants”?

Surely a percentage of every generation of immigrants will be toerags? Even whichever generation immigrant you are.

I would not have expected it to go wrong so quickly. The sons of doctors and engineers surely look to follow in their parents footsteps.

Our main immigrant groups are over represented in the prison system and in those living in poverty.

Past immigration policies have allowed in the wrong type of migrant in.

[TooMany2cvs]

del mar said:

Our main immigrant groups are over represented in the prison system and in those living in poverty.

Past immigration policies have allowed in the wrong type of migrant in.

Or perhaps entrenched racism has kept people from fulfilling their potential, keeping them in poverty and leading to massive disillusionment?

[anonymous-user]

Greendubber said:

Leicester Loyal said:

Will they be idenified and arrested? Unlikely.

One was arrested yesterday and another has handed himself in today, so yes very likely.

I bet they are quaking at the half arsed sentencing that probably won't even be handed out.

[T0MMY]

del mar said:

I would not have expected it to go wrong so quickly. The sons of doctors and engineers surely look to follow in their parents footsteps.

Our main immigrant groups are over represented in the prison system and in those living in poverty.

Past immigration policies have allowed in the wrong type of migrant in.

Ultimately I believe the biggest predictor of a person's future wealth is not their race or even their intelligence, but the wealth of their parents. I doubt immigrants currently at the bottom of the socioeconomic pile are the sons of doctors and engineers. They'll be people who started at the bottom and stayed there, as most people do.

[del mar]

TooMany2cvs said:

del mar said:

Our main immigrant groups are over represented in the prison system and in those living in poverty.

Past immigration policies have allowed in the wrong type of migrant in.

Or perhaps entrenched racism has kept people from fulfilling their potential, keeping them in poverty and leading to massive disillusionment?

And there’s me thinking their failures could be their own.

[T0MMY]

del mar said:

And there’s me thinking their failures could be their own.

Read my post above. It's not that easy to drag yourself up the ladder, despite what the 0.1% of people that have done so will tell you.

[TooMany2cvs]

del mar said:

And there’s me thinking their failures could be their own.

You seriously think there's real equality of opportunity in this country?

[dudleybloke]

Plenty of studies have proven links between violent tendencies and inbreeding.

[Alpinestars]

del mar said:

Number 2 has some nose on him, somebody will recognise that !

An immigrant toe rag is no worse than our homegrown ones, but it has to question our past immigration policies.

These kids will be 2nd maybe 3rd generation immigrants, how within 1 or 2 generations has the immigration dream gone so wrong ?

Or was the dream flawed in the first place ....

How many generations before they are “homegrown”?

[del mar]

T0MMY said:

Ultimately I believe the biggest predictor of a person's future wealth is not their race or even their intelligence, but the wealth of their parents. I doubt immigrants currently at the bottom of the socioeconomic pile are the sons of doctors and engineers. They'll be people who started at the bottom and stayed there, as most people do.

Which begs the question as to why we allowed the poor in in the first place?

You may well be correct, but did we really need poor uneducated immigrants ? What benefit can they bring to the UK ?

They are of no benefit to the UK and lo and behold neither are their kids and grandkids.

[TooMany2cvs]

del mar said:

Which begs the question as to why we allowed the poor in in the first place?

You may well be correct, but did we really need poor uneducated immigrants ?

What visas did they come in on?

[T0MMY]

del mar said:

Which begs the question as to why we allowed the poor in in the first place?

You may well be correct, but did we really need poor uneducated immigrants ? What benefit can they bring to the UK ?

They are of no benefit to the UK and lo and behold neither are their kids and grandkids.

When we first started encouraging immigration after the war it wasn't because we needed more hedge fund managers.

[del mar]

T0MMY said:

When we first started encouraging immigration after the war it wasn't because we needed more hedge fund managers.

Agreed, but even then the government had no plan or understanding of immigration. It was widely assumed that they would return home after a couple of years. Nobody had planned for the fact that they might stay here.

What sort of occupation were we looking for when new labour brought in over 3m ? We didn’t take in 3m doctors.

No 1st or 2nd generation migrant should be in a situation where they can collect benefits. The fact that we have millions that do suggests our immigration policies have failed.