Climate change - the POLITICAL debate. (Vol 5)
Discussion
Diderot said:
LoonyTunes said:
Diderot said:
He's not very good apart from getting it hopelessly wrong troll.
A Doctor vs Diddybrain 
It's a close call.
LoonyTunes said:
Diderot said:
LoonyTunes said:
Diderot said:
He's not very good apart from getting it hopelessly wrong troll.
A Doctor vs Diddybrain It's a close call.
Diderot said:
LoonyTunes said:
Diderot said:
LoonyTunes said:
Diderot said:
He's not very good apart from getting it hopelessly wrong troll.
A Doctor vs Diddybrain It's a close call.
LoonyTunes said:
Diderot said:
LoonyTunes said:
Diderot said:
LoonyTunes said:
Diderot said:
He's not very good apart from getting it hopelessly wrong troll.
A Doctor vs Diddybrain It's a close call.
Diderot said:
That is a figment of your fertile (or should that be futile) imagination; I have never proclaimed anything of the sort. And it is very much incumbent upon you to remind us what your qualifications are troll.
You are one of the protagonists of denial - It's all down to you Diddybrain.PhD, yeah righto.
LoonyTunes said:
Here we go Jinx - the names and email addresses for many Climate Scientists.
https://www.desmogblog.com/media-journalist-contac...
Drop a few a line (cut 'n' paste your above bullshine) with your assertion and come back with both the question and answer you get.
Here's the first one but there are a few:
Dr. Andrew Weaver
University of Victoria
School of Ocean, Earth and Atmospheric Sciences
Phone: 250-472-4006
Expertise: Climate Modelling and Forecasting
You won't.
I suspect I'll get an answer back explaining they are projections and should not be used for predictive analysis (the modelers are not responsible for the actions of political movements based on the output of the models) . https://www.desmogblog.com/media-journalist-contac...
Drop a few a line (cut 'n' paste your above bullshine) with your assertion and come back with both the question and answer you get.
Here's the first one but there are a few:
Dr. Andrew Weaver
University of Victoria
School of Ocean, Earth and Atmospheric Sciences
Phone: 250-472-4006
Expertise: Climate Modelling and Forecasting
You won't.
Jinx said:
I suspect I'll get an answer back explaining they are projections and should not be used for predictive analysis (the modelers are not responsible for the actions of political movements based on the output of the models) .
So why keep quoting models as if they should be 100% accurate? And when they aren't 100% accurate trying to use that as a proof that AGW is flawed.It's about probabilities with models.
If a Doctor tells you you'll probably die if you don't take the pills he's not telling you that you WILL die if you don't take the pills but that it's probable - at that point only a fool doesn't take the pills.
Would you argue with the Doctor and not take the pills because some bloke on the PH forum told you it's all bulls
t?Qualified Climate Scientists and Climate Modelling experts are equally telling you what's probable.
Your call.
LoonyTunes said:
So why keep quoting models as if they should be 100% accurate? And when they aren't 100% accurate trying to use that as a proof that AGW is flawed.
It's about probabilities with models.
If a Doctor tells you you'll probably die if you don't take the pills he's not telling you that you WILL die if you don't take the pills but that it's probable - at that point only a fool doesn't take the pills.
Would you argue with the Doctor and not take the pills because some bloke on the PH forum told you it's all bullst?
Qualified Climate Scientists and Climate Modelling experts are equally telling you what's probable.
Your call.
Shall we talk about the current replication crisis in medicine?It's about probabilities with models.
If a Doctor tells you you'll probably die if you don't take the pills he's not telling you that you WILL die if you don't take the pills but that it's probable - at that point only a fool doesn't take the pills.
Would you argue with the Doctor and not take the pills because some bloke on the PH forum told you it's all bulls
t?Qualified Climate Scientists and Climate Modelling experts are equally telling you what's probable.
Your call.
LT get you head out of the sand and pay attention - your trust is misplaced - a white coat does not denote omnipotence.......
Jinx said:
LT get you head out of the sand and pay attention - your trust is misplaced - a white coat does not denote omnipotence.......
One white coat maybe not, 2 white coats also maybe not, thousands upon thousands of white coats, in thousands of establishments?Sorry, at that point it's you with your head in the sand - I'm stood up listening.
With This Staff said:
Nobody has ever heard of a 'second opinion' when it comes to the medical profession.
No siree - none ever required - because all opinions are the same and there can be no interpretation of symptoms and the cure is always the same.
In that case get 100 second opinions and go with what 97 tell you - or 90 - or whatever the general consensus is No siree - none ever required - because all opinions are the same and there can be no interpretation of symptoms and the cure is always the same.
LoonyTunes said:
With This Staff said:
Nobody has ever heard of a 'second opinion' when it comes to the medical profession.
No siree - none ever required - because all opinions are the same and there can be no interpretation of symptoms and the cure is always the same.
In that case get 100 second opinions and go with what 97 tell you - or 90 - or whatever the general consensus is No siree - none ever required - because all opinions are the same and there can be no interpretation of symptoms and the cure is always the same.
A room of 100 will have 100 opinions - all different.
Do we really have to do Cook and Oreskes again?
Diderot said:
Closer than you think. I too have a PhD. So I guess that makes me a doctor. I am also a university professor.
Fantastic. Dr Diderot. That’s going to sound great when you’re involved in the PHs scientific consensus changing paper.What’s your PHD in? Why have you kept these impressive qualifications quiet for so long?
Hopefully this isn’t like when people said they were engineers and it turned out they were kitchen and bathroom engineers.
LoonyTunes said:
One white coat maybe not, 2 white coats also maybe not, thousands upon thousands of white coats, in thousands of establishments?
Sorry, at that point it's you with your head in the sand - I'm stood up listening.
Same old same old - the individuals of the organisations do not create the political announcements of said organisations...... Sorry, at that point it's you with your head in the sand - I'm stood up listening.
You have a brain yourself LT - don't outsource it to pro-AGW propaganda sites.......
Jinx said:
Same old same old - the individuals of the organisations do not create the political announcements of said organisations......
You have a brain yourself LT - don't outsource it to pro-AGW propaganda sites.......
I could see maybe one or two organisations releasing statements that the scientists within perhaps didn’t fully support but all of them? Seems unlikely really. You have a brain yourself LT - don't outsource it to pro-AGW propaganda sites.......
The (C)AGW hypothesis resides with the models and is supported by the global temp data sets.
How many organisations and staff are directly involved with the above?
Many more organisations are actively engaged is assessing what the effect of the (C)AGW 'black box' may have on their particular sphere of influence.
TBH, if I were running a dept assessing the impact of (C)AGW and was able to offload the responsibility of it "all may be crud" onto another establishment, I would be very pragmatic!
How many organisations and staff are directly involved with the above?
Many more organisations are actively engaged is assessing what the effect of the (C)AGW 'black box' may have on their particular sphere of influence.
TBH, if I were running a dept assessing the impact of (C)AGW and was able to offload the responsibility of it "all may be crud" onto another establishment, I would be very pragmatic!
El stovey said:
I could see maybe one or two organisations releasing statements that the scientists within perhaps didn’t fully support but all of them? Seems unlikely really.
Been some rather well published resignations but then the desmeg lot come out and smear and sneer at anyone who had the audacity to resign. Science is all about reputation - when you have professional reputation destroyers deliberately smearing anyone who goes against the "consensus" - who will risk their hard fought reputation? Especially in a field you don't work in? What do you gain by speaking out?Edited by andy.mod on Wednesday 17th October 15:04
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