Climate change - the POLITICAL debate. (Vol 5)
Discussion
El stovey said:
Diderot said:
Closer than you think. I too have a PhD. So I guess that makes me a doctor. I am also a university professor.
Fantastic. Dr Diderot. That’s going to sound great when you’re involved in the PHs scientific consensus changing paper.What’s your PHD in? Why have you kept these impressive qualifications quiet for so long?
Hopefully this isn’t like when people said they were engineers and it turned out they were kitchen and bathroom engineers.
You referring to me? If so kindly retract that slur and lie.
With This Staff said:
The similarity with the term 'Holocaust Denier' is apparent, may be accident or design.
Personally, I consider it to be by design.
As are all of the other endearing terms!
Really? You think that if someone says you’re denying the scientific evidence of global warming, they’re comparing you to someone who is denying the holocaust? Personally, I consider it to be by design.
As are all of the other endearing terms!
From the dictionary.
Seems spot on. Nobody is calling you a Nazi.
dickymint said:
El stovey said:
Diderot said:
Closer than you think. I too have a PhD. So I guess that makes me a doctor. I am also a university professor.
Fantastic. Dr Diderot. That’s going to sound great when you’re involved in the PHs scientific consensus changing paper.What’s your PHD in? Why have you kept these impressive qualifications quiet for so long?
Hopefully this isn’t like when people said they were engineers and it turned out they were kitchen and bathroom engineers.
You referring to me? If so kindly retract that slur and lie.
El stovey said:
With This Staff said:
The similarity with the term 'Holocaust Denier' is apparent, may be accident or design.
Personally, I consider it to be by design.
As are all of the other endearing terms!
Really? You think that if someone says you’re denying the scientific evidence of global warming.... Personally, I consider it to be by design.
As are all of the other endearing terms!
Beyond opinion and gigo there isn't any evidence (credible empirical data) as the current utterly ludicrous IPCC notion or 'estimate' that all warming since the LIA is down to humans is opinion (daft opinion) with nothing to back it up.
IPCC said:
Finally we come to the most difficult question of all: 'when will the detection and unambiguous attribution of human-induced climate change occur?' In the light of the very large signal and noise uncertainties discussed in this Chapter it is not surprising that the best answer to this question is 'We do not know'.
(IPCC SAR 1995 WG1 draft Ch 8 Section 8.6)Since then, apart from three pronounced and entirely natural El Nino events, no overall warming has occurred with natural variation taking average global troposhpere temperature up and down 'more or less'. There's no basis for any humans-only nonscience.
IPCC followers will recall this.
Natural Variability of Climate - IPCC
https://www.ipcc.ch/ipccreports/tar/wg1/042.htm
IPCC said:
Working Group I: The Scientific Basis
1.2.2 Natural Variability of Climate
Internally and externally induced climate variability
Climate variations, both in the mean state and in other statistics such as, for example, the occurrence of extreme events, may result from radiative forcing, but also from internal interactions between components of the climate system. A distinction can therefore be made between externally and internally induced natural climate variability and change.
When variations in the external forcing occur, the response time of the various components of the climate system is very different. With regard to the atmosphere, the response time of the troposphere is relatively short, from days to weeks, whereas the stratosphere comes into equilibrium on a time-scale of typically a few months. Due to their large heat capacity, the oceans have a much longer response time, typically decades but up to centuries or millennia. The response time of the strongly coupled surface-troposphere system is therefore slow compared with that of the stratosphere, and is mainly determined by the oceans. The biosphere may respond fast, e.g. to droughts, but also very slowly to imposed changes. Therefore the system may respond to variations in external forcing on a wide range of space- and time-scales. The impact of solar variations on the climate provides an example of such externally induced climate variations.
But even without changes in external forcing, the climate may vary naturally, because, in a system of components with very different response times and non-linear interactions, the components are never in equilibrium and are constantly varying.
Nice paragraph that last one. A veritable bucketload of natural climate variation ^^ in 'the scientific basis' where the UN IPCC in a desperate act of opportunism has u-turned on a sixpence.1.2.2 Natural Variability of Climate
Internally and externally induced climate variability
Climate variations, both in the mean state and in other statistics such as, for example, the occurrence of extreme events, may result from radiative forcing, but also from internal interactions between components of the climate system. A distinction can therefore be made between externally and internally induced natural climate variability and change.
When variations in the external forcing occur, the response time of the various components of the climate system is very different. With regard to the atmosphere, the response time of the troposphere is relatively short, from days to weeks, whereas the stratosphere comes into equilibrium on a time-scale of typically a few months. Due to their large heat capacity, the oceans have a much longer response time, typically decades but up to centuries or millennia. The response time of the strongly coupled surface-troposphere system is therefore slow compared with that of the stratosphere, and is mainly determined by the oceans. The biosphere may respond fast, e.g. to droughts, but also very slowly to imposed changes. Therefore the system may respond to variations in external forcing on a wide range of space- and time-scales. The impact of solar variations on the climate provides an example of such externally induced climate variations.
But even without changes in external forcing, the climate may vary naturally, because, in a system of components with very different response times and non-linear interactions, the components are never in equilibrium and are constantly varying.
IPCC SPM said:
...the globally averaged surface temperature exhibits substantial decadal and interannual variability (Figure SPM.1a). Due to this natural variability...
There's more. Lots of shredding and web flushed needed now. Nothing (empirical) beyond natural variation e.g. El Ninos has happened since those words were written.Anyone swallowng the latest IPCC 'estimate' of all-human warming with no natural change warming or cooling is more deluded than a deluded thing.
How to tell a 'skeptic' from a 'denier' - flow diagram included for climate scientists.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/brianbrettschneider/2...
Bonkers!
https://www.forbes.com/sites/brianbrettschneider/2...
Bonkers!
turbobloke said:
lots of stuff
Always good to hear from the king of discredited information, misrepresentation, deception and out-of-context quotes.Can't remember a post from you that didn't end up being highlighted as full of at least one the above so you're preaching to the choir at this point.
LoonyTunes said:
Always good to hear from the king of discredited information, misrepresentation, deception and out-of-context quotes.
Can't remember a post from you that didn't end up being highlighted as full of at least one the above so you're preaching to the choir at this point.
Still waiting for you to attack a message rather than the messenger - it's almost as if you aren't confident enough with the robustness of the message. Can't remember a post from you that didn't end up being highlighted as full of at least one the above so you're preaching to the choir at this point.
In fact with all the "We're doomed", "Repent" and lack of debate around the subject, I do wonder if Climate Change is a religion for those who are too clever for the usual religions.
bodhi said:
LoonyTunes said:
Always good to hear from the king of discredited information, misrepresentation, deception and out-of-context quotes.
Can't remember a post from you that didn't end up being highlighted as full of at least one the above so you're preaching to the choir at this point.
Still waiting for you to attack a message rather than the messenger - it's almost as if you aren't confident enough with the robustness of the message. Can't remember a post from you that didn't end up being highlighted as full of at least one the above so you're preaching to the choir at this point.
It gets boring after a while as it ALWAYS ends the same way.bodhi said:
In fact with all the "We're doomed", "Repent" and lack of debate around the subject, I do wonder if Climate Change is a religion for those who are too clever for the usual religions.
Well we're certainly too clever for you 'cult of Turobloke' followers.
dickymint said:
dickymint said:
El stovey said:
Diderot said:
Closer than you think. I too have a PhD. So I guess that makes me a doctor. I am also a university professor.
Fantastic. Dr Diderot. That’s going to sound great when you’re involved in the PHs scientific consensus changing paper.What’s your PHD in? Why have you kept these impressive qualifications quiet for so long?
Hopefully this isn’t like when people said they were engineers and it turned out they were kitchen and bathroom engineers.
You referring to me? If so kindly retract that slur and lie.
dickymint said:
dickymint said:
dickymint said:
El stovey said:
Diderot said:
Closer than you think. I too have a PhD. So I guess that makes me a doctor. I am also a university professor.
Fantastic. Dr Diderot. That’s going to sound great when you’re involved in the PHs scientific consensus changing paper.What’s your PHD in? Why have you kept these impressive qualifications quiet for so long?
Hopefully this isn’t like when people said they were engineers and it turned out they were kitchen and bathroom engineers.
You referring to me? If so kindly retract that slur and lie.
LoonyTunes said:
With This Staff said:
No problem - all of our caves will be equally crap once (C)AGW policies are enforced!
Is this why you had to reinvent yourself - the humour police caught up with you?A troglodytic existence has its charms!
A constant temperature for a start.
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