Climate change - the POLITICAL debate. (Vol 5)

[Jacobyte]

gadgetmac said:

Jacobyte said:

gadgetmac said:

Where are the studies showing cooling to offset this avalanche of studies showing warming?

You mean the models that forecasted the last 2 years of cooling? Indeed, where are they?

There is certainly no cloak-and-dagger conspiracy; it's simply a coincidental and convenient conflation. No more, no less.

Years where it is not as hot as the previous year are to be expected - it's normal. It's the trend that's important.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.co...

Indeed, it's easy to explain retrospectively. But it wasn't forecast in models, irrespective of any longer trends.

Politically speaking (for this is the politics thread), it seems the headlines more strongly report AGW when it's a bit warmer for a few days, but if it's colder for 2 years it's just weather. If it's really just a case of out-of-kilter semantics causing people to question the veracity of CAGW, then they really need to sort their PR out if they want to appeal to people that can think for themselves.

[gadgetmac]

The reason for that is that the trend is still upwards.

When the trend switches to downwards then I'd expect the headlines to reflect that but two cooler years following an exceptionally hot one does not a consistently cooling globe make.

[Jacobyte]

gadgetmac said:

The reason for that is that the trend is still upwards.

When the trend switches to downwards then I'd expect the headlines to reflect that...

I think we'll have to agree to disagree on that.

[robinessex]

gadgetmac said:

Jacobyte said:

gadgetmac said:

Where are the studies showing cooling to offset this avalanche of studies showing warming?

You mean the models that forecasted the last 2 years of cooling? Indeed, where are they?

There is certainly no cloak-and-dagger conspiracy; it's simply a coincidental and convenient conflation. No more, no less.

Years where it is not as hot as the previous year are to be expected - it's normal. It's the trend that's important.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.co...

Oh over about the last 30 years or so. Really significant then?

[dickymint]

El stovey said:

dickymint said:

El stovey said:

Diderot said:

Where is Loony with his lists when you need him?

Dickymint got him banned.

Been away for a few days? Long haul flight spewing out the deadly tax gas?

Try catching up and read the last few pages

You reported him.

Why are you now trying to make out you didn’t?



Your campaign to get rid of anyone on the other side is both obvious and pathetic.

Did I? When did I "make out i did"?

I reported Paddy and openly said so (to you in fact) in here!

[freecar]

gadgetmac said:

dickymint said:

El stovey said:

Diderot said:

Where is Loony with his lists when you need him?

Dickymint got him banned.

Been away for a few days? Long haul flight spewing out the deadly tax gas?

Try catching up and read the last few pages

Just because some poster who's never been on this thread before (suspicious in the extreme) comes on and says he reported LT doesn't mean you didn't also And you have 'form' for getting upset and hitting the button.

Never been on the thread before!! none of the five volumes?

To quote you "wrong"

[gadgetmac]

freecar said:

gadgetmac said:

dickymint said:

El stovey said:

Diderot said:

Where is Loony with his lists when you need him?

Dickymint got him banned.

Been away for a few days? Long haul flight spewing out the deadly tax gas?

Try catching up and read the last few pages

Just because some poster who's never been on this thread before (suspicious in the extreme) comes on and says he reported LT doesn't mean you didn't also And you have 'form' for getting upset and hitting the button.

Never been on the thread before!! none of the five volumes?

To quote you "wrong"

You can't even read, I said this thread.

No surprise, you're not the only denier with this failing.

Your posting history is also suspect considering how you came on here so full of bravado.

[freecar]

gadgetmac said:

freecar said:

gadgetmac said:

dickymint said:

El stovey said:

Diderot said:

Where is Loony with his lists when you need him?

Dickymint got him banned.

Been away for a few days? Long haul flight spewing out the deadly tax gas?

Try catching up and read the last few pages

Just because some poster who's never been on this thread before (suspicious in the extreme) comes on and says he reported LT doesn't mean you didn't also And you have 'form' for getting upset and hitting the button.

Never been on the thread before!! none of the five volumes?

To quote you "wrong"

You can't even read, I said this thread.

No surprise, you're not the only denier with this failing.

Your posting history is also suspect considering how you came on here so full of bravado.

Suspect how?

I have been on the climate change threads for years...

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

Volume 1 of this thread from over 7 years ago.

You can either accept that I reported LT or not. I don't care but stop accusing others when somebody has put their hand up.

You know what? I also reported the sun for one of their article to the PCC (now defunct) my complaint was used as the lead and upheld, the sun rermoved the offending story and Clarkson wrote a follow up refuting the original.

I've been on these threads way before you were but you know what, I don't try to throw that in anybodies face.

[durbster]

robinessex said:

durbster said:

robinessex said:

I said Chaotic system can't be predicted.

The oceans are a chaotic system. Is it impossible to say when the tide will come in?

Are you serious? The tides are caused by the moon, which, when I last checked, was pretty regular in it circumnavigation of our planet. Even my grandkids know that. Says a lot about your (lack of) knowledge, doesn’t it ?

You missed the point. The oceans are a "chaotic system", agreed?

[Gandahar]

I found this interesting

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-467...

"The new analysis of government figures comes from the environmental analysis website Carbon Brief.

Its author says EU product standards on light bulbs, fridges, vacuum cleaners and other appliances have played a substantial part in reducing energy demand.

Provisional calculations show that electricity generation in the UK peaked around 2005. But generation per person is now back down to the level of 1984 (around 5 megawatt hours per capita)."

Let's assume this is true, it is really good news. We have made a difference.

However we will soon have more and more things moving to be electrically powered off the grid. Cars being the driving force of course.

Can our electrical infrastructure cope?

Given nuclear is not having it's day in the sun

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-46900918

I do wonder whether government guidelines are out of sync with what we will need. Interesting times ahead.

[Gandahar]

freecar said:

gadgetmac said:

dickymint said:

El stovey said:

Diderot said:

Where is Loony with his lists when you need him?

Dickymint got him banned.

Been away for a few days? Long haul flight spewing out the deadly tax gas?

Try catching up and read the last few pages

Just because some poster who's never been on this thread before (suspicious in the extreme) comes on and says he reported LT doesn't mean you didn't also And you have 'form' for getting upset and hitting the button.

Never been on the thread before!! none of the five volumes?

To quote you "wrong"

YAWN,

On topic please.

[wc98]

durbster said:

The oceans are a chaotic system. Is it impossible to say when the tide will come in?

you know tidal predictions are constantly revised and even then are often out by some distance time and height of tide wise ? monday night the high tide where i was fishing was about half an hour past the predicted time and about 0.5 m below the predicted height due to the high pressure and other conditions prevalent at the time.

[robinessex]

durbster said:

robinessex said:

durbster said:

robinessex said:

I said Chaotic system can't be predicted.

The oceans are a chaotic system. Is it impossible to say when the tide will come in?

Are you serious? The tides are caused by the moon, which, when I last checked, was pretty regular in it circumnavigation of our planet. Even my grandkids know that. Says a lot about your (lack of) knowledge, doesn’t it ?

You missed the point. The oceans are a "chaotic system", agreed?

Typical Durbster swerve. You got it catastrophically WRONG, and now trying to wriggle out.

https://www.livescience.com/29621-what-causes-the-...

Edited by robinessex on Friday 18th January 14:38

[zygalski]

I think the 'swerve' here is repeatedly saying there's no scientific consensus and yet being unable to source a single organisation that doesn't back the IPCC's AGW consensus.
This is poor, even for man-in-the-pub level debate.

[turbobloke]

Even more good news. Plagues of jellyfish - not as warm as previously thought?

Collating global datasets of jellyfish that go back decades, Prof Kylie Pitt has found that jellyfish increase in numbers for just over 10 years, then decrease, then increase again, in a 22-year cycle.

What a coincidence. Correlation isn't causation but at least there's a strong correlation unlike holidaying carbon dioxide which has been increasing for decades, not increasing then decreasing followed by another increase etc.

The prof reckons there's no definitive proof that tropical stinging jellyfish are moving due to thermal considerations, as 'relocated' specimens will originate from ballast water.

[gadgetmac]

freecar said:

gadgetmac said:

freecar said:

gadgetmac said:

dickymint said:

El stovey said:

Diderot said:

Where is Loony with his lists when you need him?

Dickymint got him banned.

Been away for a few days? Long haul flight spewing out the deadly tax gas?

Try catching up and read the last few pages

Just because some poster who's never been on this thread before (suspicious in the extreme) comes on and says he reported LT doesn't mean you didn't also And you have 'form' for getting upset and hitting the button.

Never been on the thread before!! none of the five volumes?

To quote you "wrong"

You can't even read, I said this thread.

No surprise, you're not the only denier with this failing.

Your posting history is also suspect considering how you came on here so full of bravado.

Suspect how?

I have been on the climate change threads for years...

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

Volume 1 of this thread from over 7 years ago.

You can either accept that I reported LT or not. I don't care but stop accusing others when somebody has put their hand up.

You know what? I also reported the sun for one of their article to the PCC (now defunct) my complaint was used as the lead and upheld, the sun rermoved the offending story and Clarkson wrote a follow up refuting the original.

I've been on these threads way before you were but you know what, I don't try to throw that in anybodies face.

How the hell do you know that dickymint also didn’t report it???

You say you reported LT, so what? You barely register on this thread. I could care less what you did 7 years ago. What we do know is that Paddy was reported by dicky and then banned. Now LT is banned. Then you turn up after 7 years wandering in the desert by the look of your posting history.

Back to the topic...

[dickymint]

gadgetmac said:

El stovey said:

You reported him.

Why are you now trying to make out you didn’t?

Your campaign to get rid of anyone on the other side is both obvious and pathetic

From hitting the report button to making snide comments that he hopes will be picked up by the moderators. It's as plain as the noise on his face.

"snide comments" ? coming from you? wow!!

[gadgetmac]

dickymint said:

gadgetmac said:

El stovey said:

You reported him.

Why are you now trying to make out you didn’t?

Your campaign to get rid of anyone on the other side is both obvious and pathetic

From hitting the report button to making snide comments that he hopes will be picked up by the moderators. It's as plain as the noise on his face.

"snide comments" ? coming from you? wow!!

We’ll point it out to you (again) the next time you do it, shouldn’t be long, it’s happened enough in the past.

[dickymint]

gadgetmac said:

freecar said:

gadgetmac said:

freecar said:

gadgetmac said:

dickymint said:

El stovey said:

Diderot said:

Where is Loony with his lists when you need him?

Dickymint got him banned.

Been away for a few days? Long haul flight spewing out the deadly tax gas?

Try catching up and read the last few pages

Just because some poster who's never been on this thread before (suspicious in the extreme) comes on and says he reported LT doesn't mean you didn't also And you have 'form' for getting upset and hitting the button.

Never been on the thread before!! none of the five volumes?

To quote you "wrong"

You can't even read, I said this thread.

No surprise, you're not the only denier with this failing.

Your posting history is also suspect considering how you came on here so full of bravado.

Suspect how?

I have been on the climate change threads for years...

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

Volume 1 of this thread from over 7 years ago.

You can either accept that I reported LT or not. I don't care but stop accusing others when somebody has put their hand up.

You know what? I also reported the sun for one of their article to the PCC (now defunct) my complaint was used as the lead and upheld, the sun rermoved the offending story and Clarkson wrote a follow up refuting the original.

I've been on these threads way before you were but you know what, I don't try to throw that in anybodies face.

How the hell do you know that dickymint also didn’t report it???

You say you reported LT, so what? You barely register on this thread. I could care less what you did 7 years ago. What we do know is that Paddy was reported by dicky and then banned. Now LT is banned. Then you turn up after 7 years wandering in the desert by the look of your posting history.

Back to the topic...

if only you would

[dickymint]

gadgetmac said:

dickymint said:

gadgetmac said:

El stovey said:

You reported him.

Why are you now trying to make out you didn’t?

Your campaign to get rid of anyone on the other side is both obvious and pathetic

From hitting the report button to making snide comments that he hopes will be picked up by the moderators. It's as plain as the noise on his face.

"snide comments" ? coming from you? wow!!

We’ll point it out to you (again) the next time you do it, shouldn’t be long, it’s happened enough in the past.

Who are "we"?