Climate change - the POLITICAL debate. (Vol 5)
Discussion
gadgetmac said:
turbobloke said:
Is there established (not conjectured) causality to humans in any global temperature trend up or down?
Yes or no as above.
The answer is probably yes as was discussed at length on here.Yes or no as above.
I can get you the link to the paper if you like?
probably means conjecture therefore not established, The post you replied to acknowledged conjecture and sought more, thanks for confirming there is indeed nothing more available, However posting the question about a link has given some time for you to see what SkSc has to offer.As that agw non-point was known already, links to IPCC SPMs with their conjecture, and links to any paper with conjecture, are of no merit in this context since they confirm that it's belief and conjecture not an unambiguously establshed feature of observed climate behaviour.
"Finally we come to the most difficult question of all: 'when will the detection and unambiguous attribution of human-induced climate change occur?' In the light of the very large signal and noise uncertainties discussed in this Chapter it is not surprising that the best answer to this question is 'We do not know'."
(IPCC SAR 1995 WG1 draft Ch 8 Section 8.6)
All that's happened since then is three natural El Nino events, with lower troposphere temperature at the same scorchio temperature in January 2019 as seen back in 1988.
So much for permanent dangerous warming.
IPCC SPM said:
levels of confidence have been used to express expert judgements
So percentages etc express conjecture not statistical analysis,,,IPCC SPM said:
Magnitude of anthropogenic contributions not assessed. Attribution for these phenomena based on expert judgement rather than formal attribution
studies.
Not assessed, confirmed as conjecture and not a statistical or any other analysis.studies.
The track record of these 'experts' is stunning, and they admit to not being close to balancing the planet's energy budget and not knowing where energy is going.
IPCC Team Expert said:
We are not close to balancing the energy budget.
The fact that we can not account for what is happening in the climate system makes any consideration of geoengineering quite hopeless as we will never be able to tell if it is successful or not!
Cannot account for what is happening in the climate system. Aye but the science is settled..The fact that we can not account for what is happening in the climate system makes any consideration of geoengineering quite hopeless as we will never be able to tell if it is successful or not!
Climate strike: Schoolchildren protest over climate change
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47250424
Pupils at schools around the UK have gone on strike as part of a global campaign for action on climate change.
Students around the country walked out of school to call on the government to declare a climate emergency and take active steps to tackle the problem.
"Save our planet" was the message chanted by thousands of people gathered in Parliament Square in London.
Organisers Youth Strike 4 Climate said protests were taking place in more than 60 towns and cities across the UK...........continues
I didn't know brain washing was now part of schools curriculum
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47250424
Pupils at schools around the UK have gone on strike as part of a global campaign for action on climate change.
Students around the country walked out of school to call on the government to declare a climate emergency and take active steps to tackle the problem.
"Save our planet" was the message chanted by thousands of people gathered in Parliament Square in London.
Organisers Youth Strike 4 Climate said protests were taking place in more than 60 towns and cities across the UK...........continues
I didn't know brain washing was now part of schools curriculum
robinessex said:
Climate strike: Schoolchildren protest over climate change
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47250424
Pupils at schools around the UK have gone on strike as part of a global campaign for action on climate change.
Students around the country walked out of school to call on the government to declare a climate emergency and take active steps to tackle the problem.
"Save our planet" was the message chanted by thousands of people gathered in Parliament Square in London.
Organisers Youth Strike 4 Climate said protests were taking place in more than 60 towns and cities across the UK...........continues
I didn't know brain washing was now part of schools curriculum
interesting change of tack,maybe blowing their heads off in classrooms wasn't working https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfnddMpzPsM&t=...https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47250424
Pupils at schools around the UK have gone on strike as part of a global campaign for action on climate change.
Students around the country walked out of school to call on the government to declare a climate emergency and take active steps to tackle the problem.
"Save our planet" was the message chanted by thousands of people gathered in Parliament Square in London.
Organisers Youth Strike 4 Climate said protests were taking place in more than 60 towns and cities across the UK...........continues
I didn't know brain washing was now part of schools curriculum
I look at it this analogous way. I live in a house that will, statistically, be blown down by the big bad wolf every few years. It has been passed down to me through my family who have owned it since the dawn of time. Now, there have been many examples of Mr big bad wolf Esquire blowing our house down since my family has lived here, but I have noticed since more and more of my family have moved in, my house is becoming more run down, more ramshackle. Some of my family leave doors open, don't put out lights, leave taps running, ignore leaking roofs etc. We have also noticed the big bad wolf is getting grumpier and visiting more often than he used to.
Now, if I want to pass this house onto my children, in the full knowledge it will be blown down one day, I would like to educate my family, and hopefully our friends into closing doors, fixing leaking roofs and switching lights off. I am also aware that we now know much more about Mr big bad wolf (grumpy) of this parish so we can hopefully minimise his anger and keep his huffing and puffing to a minimum...oh and when he is contentedly sleeping, don't poke him with a big f
kin stick.
That way I can tell my children, with a bit of care, you can pass this down to your kids, but remember guys, one day the big bad wolf will come, you can't stop him, but let's not encourage him...
Now, if I want to pass this house onto my children, in the full knowledge it will be blown down one day, I would like to educate my family, and hopefully our friends into closing doors, fixing leaking roofs and switching lights off. I am also aware that we now know much more about Mr big bad wolf (grumpy) of this parish so we can hopefully minimise his anger and keep his huffing and puffing to a minimum...oh and when he is contentedly sleeping, don't poke him with a big f
kin stick. That way I can tell my children, with a bit of care, you can pass this down to your kids, but remember guys, one day the big bad wolf will come, you can't stop him, but let's not encourage him...
biggbn said:
I look at it this analogous way. I live in a house that will, statistically, be blown down by the big bad wolf every few years. It has been passed down to me through my family who have owned it since the dawn of time. Now, there have been many examples of Mr big bad wolf Esquire blowing our house down since my family has lived here, but I have noticed since more and more of my family have moved in, my house is becoming more run down, more ramshackle. Some of my family leave doors open, don't put out lights, leave taps running, ignore leaking roofs etc. We have also noticed the big bad wolf is getting grumpier and visiting more often than he used to.
Now, if I want to pass this house onto my children, in the full knowledge it will be blown down one day, I would like to educate my family, and hopefully our friends into closing doors, fixing leaking roofs and switching lights off. I am also aware that we now know much more about Mr big bad wolf (grumpy) of this parish so we can hopefully minimise his anger and keep his huffing and puffing to a minimum...oh and when he is contentedly sleeping, don't poke him with a big fkin stick.
That way I can tell my children, with a bit of care, you can pass this down to your kids, but remember guys, one day the big bad wolf will come, you can't stop him, but let's not encourage him...
Of course, if there isn't a Big Bad Wolf and the house gets destroyed by an invading horde of really angry bison, then we'll have spent a lot of money on Big Bad Wolf experts and Wolf Prevention that could have been spent on bison experts and bison calming measures, and thus saved the house.Now, if I want to pass this house onto my children, in the full knowledge it will be blown down one day, I would like to educate my family, and hopefully our friends into closing doors, fixing leaking roofs and switching lights off. I am also aware that we now know much more about Mr big bad wolf (grumpy) of this parish so we can hopefully minimise his anger and keep his huffing and puffing to a minimum...oh and when he is contentedly sleeping, don't poke him with a big f
kin stick. That way I can tell my children, with a bit of care, you can pass this down to your kids, but remember guys, one day the big bad wolf will come, you can't stop him, but let's not encourage him...
If anyone want a glimpse at what is allegedly causing the planets climate to change, we need only walk over and take a look in the nearest mirror.
With global population increasing at rates between 286 and 347 thousand net new humans per DAY, using up the planets resources and turning them into emissions faster and faster. We are only bringing forward the time when the planet cannot sustain our colossal numbers any more.
Or do people believe the planet and its recourses are actually infinite?
We must save the planet for our children they say, as they pop yet another disposable nappy in the bin, after which they take the children a few mile to school in their multi litre 4WD sprog panzers, whilst buying them the latest resource consuming electrical goods for their delight and delectation.
With global population increasing at rates between 286 and 347 thousand net new humans per DAY, using up the planets resources and turning them into emissions faster and faster. We are only bringing forward the time when the planet cannot sustain our colossal numbers any more.
Or do people believe the planet and its recourses are actually infinite?
We must save the planet for our children they say, as they pop yet another disposable nappy in the bin, after which they take the children a few mile to school in their multi litre 4WD sprog panzers, whilst buying them the latest resource consuming electrical goods for their delight and delectation.
turbobloke said:
gadgetmac said:
turbobloke said:
Is there established (not conjectured) causality to humans in any global temperature trend up or down?
Yes or no as above.
The answer is probably yes as was discussed at length on here.Yes or no as above.
I can get you the link to the paper if you like?
probably means conjecture therefore not established, The post you replied to acknowledged conjecture and sought more, thanks for confirming there is indeed nothing more available, However posting the question about a link has given some time for you to see what SkSc has to offer.It was discussed at length on here and a link supplied to a very recent paper with an interesting summary from real scientists using proper mathematics to arrive at a conclusion that will obviously make you bristle with indignation.
Check it out.
grumbledoak said:
Actually, the West's fertility numbers are below replacement levels. We could have wound down to sustainable population levels. Instead, the powers that be have opened the borders to faster breeding immigrants. Still, it's not their fault. Nothing is ever their fault.
What, nothing is ever immigrants fault?Pan Pan Pan said:
If anyone want a glimpse at what is allegedly causing the planets climate to change, we need only walk over and take a look in the nearest mirror.
With global population increasing at rates between 286 and 347 thousand net new humans per DAY, using up the planets resources and turning them into emissions faster and faster. We are only bringing forward the time when the planet cannot sustain our colossal numbers any more.
Or do people believe the planet and its recourses are actually infinite?
We must save the planet for our children they say, as they pop yet another disposable nappy in the bin, after which they take the children a few mile to school in their multi litre 4WD sprog panzers, whilst buying them the latest resource consuming electrical goods for their delight and delectation.
You post this same thing every couple of months. With global population increasing at rates between 286 and 347 thousand net new humans per DAY, using up the planets resources and turning them into emissions faster and faster. We are only bringing forward the time when the planet cannot sustain our colossal numbers any more.
Or do people believe the planet and its recourses are actually infinite?
We must save the planet for our children they say, as they pop yet another disposable nappy in the bin, after which they take the children a few mile to school in their multi litre 4WD sprog panzers, whilst buying them the latest resource consuming electrical goods for their delight and delectation.
And it still has little relevance to the thread.
gadgetmac said:
turbobloke said:
gadgetmac said:
turbobloke said:
Is there established (not conjectured) causality to humans in any global temperature trend up or down?
Yes or no as above.
The answer is probably yes as was discussed at length on here.Yes or no as above.
I can get you the link to the paper if you like?
probably means conjecture therefore not established, The post you replied to acknowledged conjecture and sought more, thanks for confirming there is indeed nothing more available, However posting the question about a link has given some time for you to see what SkSc has to offer.It was discussed at length on here and a link supplied to a very recent paper with an interesting summary from real scientists using proper mathematics to arrive at a conclusion that will obviously make you bristle with indignation.
Check it out.
Diderot said:
Jesus wept man, it's YOU'RE or YOU ARE. Is YOUR keyboard broken or are YOU lazier than YOUR thinking on Gloopal Wombling?
I’m typing posts to people who think they are Professors but in reality are classroom assistants with a conspiracy complex - so I don’t need to be too careful with the spelling or grammar.Otherwise I might pick you up you’re use of the non-word “Gloopal”
gadgetmac said:
Diderot said:
Jesus wept man, it's YOU'RE or YOU ARE. Is YOUR keyboard broken or are YOU lazier than YOUR thinking on Gloopal Wombling?
I’m typing posts to people who think they are Professors but in reality are classroom assistants with a conspiracy complex - so I don’t need to be too careful with the spelling or grammar.Otherwise I might pick you up you’re use of the non-word “Gloopal”
turbobloke said:
gadgetmac said:
turbobloke said:
Is there established (not conjectured) causality to humans in any global temperature trend up or down?
Yes or no as above.
The answer is probably yes as was discussed at length on here.Yes or no as above.
I can get you the link to the paper if you like?
probably means conjecture therefore not established, The post you replied to acknowledged conjecture and sought more, thanks for confirming there is indeed nothing more available, However posting the question about a link has given some time for you to see what SkSc has to offer.
gadgetmac said:
Diderot said:
Jesus wept man, it's YOU'RE or YOU ARE. Is YOUR keyboard broken or are YOU lazier than YOUR thinking on Gloopal Wombling?
I’m typing posts to people who think they are Professors but in reality are classroom assistants with a conspiracy complex - so I don’t need to be too careful with the spelling or grammar.Otherwise I might pick you up you’re use of the non-word “Gloopal”
robinessex said:
Climate strike: Schoolchildren protest over climate change
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47250424
Pupils at schools around the UK have gone on strike as part of a global campaign for action on climate change.
Students around the country walked out of school to call on the government to declare a climate emergency and take active steps to tackle the problem.
"Save our planet" was the message chanted by thousands of people gathered in Parliament Square in London.
Organisers Youth Strike 4 Climate said protests were taking place in more than 60 towns and cities across the UK...........continues
I didn't know brain washing was now part of schools curriculum
The definition of indoctrination - instead of teaching children a theory it is presented as a scaremongering fact. The late 20th / early 21st century will go down in history as an extraordinary period where so few people fooled so many. Life is currently thriving, the planet is thriving because the climate is warm and optimum. When it cools the shttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47250424
Pupils at schools around the UK have gone on strike as part of a global campaign for action on climate change.
Students around the country walked out of school to call on the government to declare a climate emergency and take active steps to tackle the problem.
"Save our planet" was the message chanted by thousands of people gathered in Parliament Square in London.
Organisers Youth Strike 4 Climate said protests were taking place in more than 60 towns and cities across the UK...........continues
I didn't know brain washing was now part of schools curriculum
t will hit the fan and life will wither and die, as it does during glacial periods. Children are being taught the opposite of reality by teachers who have sold their souls and hopped aboard the great global warming gravy train. On a positive note, when the establishment need to bring children into the debate it's a sure sign they are struggling with convincing the masses, and make no mistake this 'skiving' has been orchestrated by adults not children.
I find it a disgusting abuse of trust, through and through.
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