Climate change - the POLITICAL debate. (Vol 5)
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Yet another Aus gov't hitting the wall over climate fairytales.
And again closer to home
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- Barnaby Joyce and senior Nationals MPs have warned that the Coalition agreement could be severed over energy policy
- Scott Morrison yesterday rejected a push to fund new coal-fired power plants in central Queensland
- Mr Joyce told The Australian the termination of the Coalition was an option on the table
And again closer to home
- Tensions between Ireland's “big two” parties over continuing Government co-operation have again surfaced
- The key issue is climate change and related major hikes in the carbon tax
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gadgetmac said:
Just looked on wiki...
It says he was an "early member". Nothing about him being a founder.
Even he doesn't refer to himself as a founder of Greenpeace from what I can see.
The only issue there is that Wiki isn't a creible source on climate. Has Connolly been gatekeeping removing / rewriting pages again?It says he was an "early member". Nothing about him being a founder.
Even he doesn't refer to himself as a founder of Greenpeace from what I can see.
https://climateaudit.org/2009/12/19/climategatekee...
Link said:
Connolley was one of the nine realclimate founders, but posted little at realclimate. This has notoriously not been the case at Wikipedia. Solomon reports that Connolley “created or rewrote 5,428 unique Wikipedia articles” and that Connolley was granted a senior editorial and administrative status at Wikipedia that enabled him to delete “over 500 articles” and “barred” more than 2000 Wikipedia contributors who “ran afoul of him”.
He was (temporarily?) stripped of editing rights when his 'gatekeeping' became known.It's easypeasy to find many references.
Dr. Patrick Moore
ecosense.me/
As sensible environmentalists we can find solutions that balance environmental, social, and economic priorities." Dr. Patrick Moore, co-founder of Greenpeace, ...
Who Is Patrick Moore - Patrick Moore Says Green New Deal is the End ...
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1 day ago - "Patrick Moore, co-founder of Greenpeace: 'The whole climate crisis is not only ...
Check this out
Patrick Moore (Greenpeace) - RationalWiki
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Patrick_Moore_(Green...
Patrick Moore (1947–) is a former president of Greenpeace Canada, who left the ... YouTube, 1-May-2017; ? Co-Founder of Greenpeace
Greenpeas have been whitewashing Moore from their website and their history since he blew their cover several years ago.
Gas heating ban for new homes from 2025
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-475...
Gas heating for new houses will be banned by 2025, the Chancellor has said, although gas hobs will still be allowed.
The homes will keep warm with devices such as heat exchangers - and with “world-leading” insulation standards.
It’s part of a bid by Philip Hammond to address the concerns of children protesting about climate change.
Green groups welcomed the measure but said the Chancellor had ducked major challenges on the climate.
They wanted action to cut emissions from traffic, planes and existing draughty homes - which will form the vast majority of the housing stock for decades.
Instead, Mr Hammond offered what they called an inadequate idea for tackling aviation emissions.
Ban gas grid for new homes 'in six years'
He’s consulting on a plan to oblige all airlines to offer passengers the chance to offset their emissions by schemes such as tree planting.
But these schemes are controversial and Greenpeace said it would be much better for the government to introduce a tax on frequent fliers.
Mel Evans from Greenpeace said: "The Chancellor’s rhetoric may have been strong on the environment, but tackling the climate emergency demands much bigger thinking.
“Issues like the shoddy state of our existing housing stock and rapid adoption of electric vehicles require serious money behind serious policies.
“A good start would be banning the sale of new petrol and diesel cars and vans by 2030 (instead of 2040 at present)...............continues
"Gas heating for new houses will be banned by 2025, the Chancellor has said, although gas hobs will still be allowed." Who decides this b
ks then? The crazy green mob with to much influence.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-475...
Gas heating for new houses will be banned by 2025, the Chancellor has said, although gas hobs will still be allowed.
The homes will keep warm with devices such as heat exchangers - and with “world-leading” insulation standards.
It’s part of a bid by Philip Hammond to address the concerns of children protesting about climate change.
Green groups welcomed the measure but said the Chancellor had ducked major challenges on the climate.
They wanted action to cut emissions from traffic, planes and existing draughty homes - which will form the vast majority of the housing stock for decades.
Instead, Mr Hammond offered what they called an inadequate idea for tackling aviation emissions.
Ban gas grid for new homes 'in six years'
He’s consulting on a plan to oblige all airlines to offer passengers the chance to offset their emissions by schemes such as tree planting.
But these schemes are controversial and Greenpeace said it would be much better for the government to introduce a tax on frequent fliers.
Mel Evans from Greenpeace said: "The Chancellor’s rhetoric may have been strong on the environment, but tackling the climate emergency demands much bigger thinking.
“Issues like the shoddy state of our existing housing stock and rapid adoption of electric vehicles require serious money behind serious policies.
“A good start would be banning the sale of new petrol and diesel cars and vans by 2030 (instead of 2040 at present)...............continues
"Gas heating for new houses will be banned by 2025, the Chancellor has said, although gas hobs will still be allowed." Who decides this b
ks then? The crazy green mob with to much influence.gadgetmac said:
Diderot said:
You really are a card. Every scientific institution in the world? Oh really? Have you checked the position of every single one? And don't keep banging on about the mythical 97% consensus - does you even fewer favours than your incessant recourse to the 'flat earther' rubbish. Anyone would think you're a troll. Oh wait.
Well faux-pro, start naming some scientific institutions that don't believe in AGW.It's been asked a thousand times before on this thread and never got a single reply.
Get started. I'll wait. And remember, the Heartland Institute funded by big oil doesn't count.
gadgetmac said:
You know there's a difference between a founder and a first member right?
And to back that point up read his letter asking to join a Greenpeace demonstration from his current position at UBC
Come on London...Why would you ask to join a committee that you founded?
How could he have founded an organisation that had already been in existence for over a year?
And to back that point up read his letter asking to join a Greenpeace demonstration from his current position at UBC
Come on London...Why would you ask to join a committee that you founded?
How could he have founded an organisation that had already been in existence for over a year?
gadgetmac said:
London424 said:
gadgetmac said:
London424 said:
gadgetmac said:
turbobloke said:
The political blog Climate Depot shows Greenpeace co-founder Dr Moore being Trumpeted in a tweet..
How many times have you done Patrick Moore?The pool really is shallow isn't it.
And qouting Trump
This is the President who said Global Warming was invented by the Chinese to do harm to America.
The same President who dismissed a study produced by his own administration, involving 13 federal agencies and more than 300 leading climate scientists, warning of the potentially catastrophic impact of climate change.
“I don’t believe it,” said Trump after reading a small portion of it.
It figures that he would be a go-to guy for you though.
Unfortunately for them the internet never forgets and it just looks like a cover up, when many claims exist about the changing of historical data.
It's not exactly a good look is it?
Greenpeace say:
Patrick Moore frequently portrays himself as a founder or co-founder of Greenpeace, and many news outlets have repeated this characterization. Although Mr. Moore played a significant role in Greenpeace Canada for several years, he did not found Greenpeace. Phil Cotes, Irving Stowe, and Jim Bohlen founded Greenpeace in 1970. Patrick Moore applied for a berth on the Phyllis Cormack in March, 1971 after the organization had already been in existence for a year. A copy of his application letter and Greenpeace’s response are available here (PDF).
The PDF in question is available on Greenpeaces website and is a hand written letter to Greenpeace applying for a position on their ship protesting the nuclear testing to be done by the US Atomic Energy Commission.
He goes on to explain that he is currently a graduate student at UBC working towards a PhD.
It's 100% conclusive that at that point Greenpeace existed and that he wasn't a member.
Again, this is fake news surrounding the credentials of a denier who has decided to take big oil's coin.
Do you have any contrary evidence?
http://web.archive.org/web/20021119050900/http://w...
The Wiki page even references it.
And to back that point up read his letter asking to join a Greenpeace demonstration from his current position at UBC
Come on London...Why would you ask to join a committee that you founded?
How could he have founded an organisation that had already been in existence for over a year?
Anyway, regardless of whether he was or was not a founder of Greenpeace he's still a big oil, nuclear and logging company shill.
Like Dr Soon, he's a gun for hire but, as is usual with denier sources, he has no climate qualifications to his name or peer reviewed papers published.
He is also, of course, a major player for the Heartland Institute.
Like Dr Soon, he's a gun for hire but, as is usual with denier sources, he has no climate qualifications to his name or peer reviewed papers published.
He is also, of course, a major player for the Heartland Institute.
A commenter said this
Commenter said:
October 29, 1971: On the way back to Vancouver, Hunter and Metcalfe proposed that upon their return, they should reconstitute the organization as the “Greenpeace Foundation“. Hunter borrowed the term “Foundation” from Isaac Asimov’s Foundation Trilogy.
November 1, 1971: Jim Bohlen, Irving Stowe, and Paul Cote met to wrap up the Don’t Make a Wave Committee. They decided that Hunter should set up Greenpeace Foundation as a separate organization, but this isn’t what happened. The Don’t Make a Wave Committee had legal standing and a surplus of funds, so upon reflection, it seemed counterproductive to start over. Ben Metcalfe brokered a deal to keep the organization in tact and turn its attention on French nuclear testing in the South Pacific.
January 21, 1972: The Don’t Make a Wave Committee resolved to change its name to the “Greenpeace Foundation” and turned over $9,678 to Dorothy and Ben Metcalfe.
May 4, 1972: The Provincial Societies office in Victoria, British Columbia registered the name, “Greenpeace Foundation.” Patrick Moore was present at the registration of Greenpeace Foundation.
The above information can be found in the book, “Greenpeace: The Inside Story: How a Group of Ecologists, Journalists and Visionaries Changed the World” by Rex Weyler.
Rex Weyler was a director of the original Greenpeace Foundation, the editor of the organisation’s first newsletter, and a co-founder of Greenpeace International in 1979.
I have read the book and if you can find a copy in your local library I highly recommend it. It destroys Greenpeace’s claims that Patrick Moore was NOT a founder.
Also via WayBack, we have this (all links are still working):
https://web.archive.org/web/20110715181237/http://...
But it really doesn't matter, it's just a lot of bluster from the usual gadget to distract from the story.November 1, 1971: Jim Bohlen, Irving Stowe, and Paul Cote met to wrap up the Don’t Make a Wave Committee. They decided that Hunter should set up Greenpeace Foundation as a separate organization, but this isn’t what happened. The Don’t Make a Wave Committee had legal standing and a surplus of funds, so upon reflection, it seemed counterproductive to start over. Ben Metcalfe brokered a deal to keep the organization in tact and turn its attention on French nuclear testing in the South Pacific.
January 21, 1972: The Don’t Make a Wave Committee resolved to change its name to the “Greenpeace Foundation” and turned over $9,678 to Dorothy and Ben Metcalfe.
May 4, 1972: The Provincial Societies office in Victoria, British Columbia registered the name, “Greenpeace Foundation.” Patrick Moore was present at the registration of Greenpeace Foundation.
The above information can be found in the book, “Greenpeace: The Inside Story: How a Group of Ecologists, Journalists and Visionaries Changed the World” by Rex Weyler.
Rex Weyler was a director of the original Greenpeace Foundation, the editor of the organisation’s first newsletter, and a co-founder of Greenpeace International in 1979.
I have read the book and if you can find a copy in your local library I highly recommend it. It destroys Greenpeace’s claims that Patrick Moore was NOT a founder.
Also via WayBack, we have this (all links are still working):
https://web.archive.org/web/20110715181237/http://...
Fact said:
Dr. Patrick Moore: From Winter Harbour, BC; earned a Ph.D. in ecology from UBC, sailed on the first Greenpeace voyage, drafted the “Greenpeace Declaration of Interdependence” with Hunter in 1975, and was president of the Greenpeace Foundation, 1977-79, then president of Greenpeace Canada until 1985.
From the world's most viewed site on global warming, an interesting take on Aspergers...
Article said:
I don’t want to give the impression that Aspergers people are all easily led astray, their condition is more complicated than that. If it ever occurs to Greta to investigate climate claims in detail, instead of simply accepting what she is told, she will likely have no hesitation in changing her views – it is entirely possible she will flip over to hardline climate skepticism as soon as she realises what she has been told doesn’t make sense.
Of course if Greta becomes a climate skeptic, the movement she founded will likely continue; they will simply stop talking about her and try to pretend she doesn’t exist, the way Greenpeace tried to erase co-founder Patrick Moore from their history.
Of course if Greta becomes a climate skeptic, the movement she founded will likely continue; they will simply stop talking about her and try to pretend she doesn’t exist, the way Greenpeace tried to erase co-founder Patrick Moore from their history.
Commenter said:
I don’t think it’s appreciated how much damage is being done to our young. They should be looking forward to their future adventures in life but instead they have been depressed and filled with fear of catastrophe and loathing for the ‘evils’ of fossil fuels, believing fossil fuel company’s are Satan and will lead us to the end of the world! Many are saying they’re not going to have children and bring them into a world where climate change is going to kill them. After a recent programme on the BBC here in the UK last week (Victoria Derbyshire) where they talked to people who stated they weren’t going to have children because ‘climate change’, one young girl in my locality (aged about 12) cut her wrists she was so scared of climate change!
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/03/11/climate-cha...deeps said:
A commenter said this
Up all night again eh Deeps? How's that job in HR going?Commenter said:
October 29, 1971: On the way back to Vancouver, Hunter and Metcalfe proposed that upon their return, they should reconstitute the organization as the “Greenpeace Foundation“. Hunter borrowed the term “Foundation” from Isaac Asimov’s Foundation Trilogy.
November 1, 1971: Jim Bohlen, Irving Stowe, and Paul Cote met to wrap up the Don’t Make a Wave Committee. They decided that Hunter should set up Greenpeace Foundation as a separate organization, but this isn’t what happened. The Don’t Make a Wave Committee had legal standing and a surplus of funds, so upon reflection, it seemed counterproductive to start over. Ben Metcalfe brokered a deal to keep the organization in tact and turn its attention on French nuclear testing in the South Pacific.
January 21, 1972: The Don’t Make a Wave Committee resolved to change its name to the “Greenpeace Foundation” and turned over $9,678 to Dorothy and Ben Metcalfe.
May 4, 1972: The Provincial Societies office in Victoria, British Columbia registered the name, “Greenpeace Foundation.” Patrick Moore was present at the registration of Greenpeace Foundation.
The above information can be found in the book, “Greenpeace: The Inside Story: How a Group of Ecologists, Journalists and Visionaries Changed the World” by Rex Weyler.
Rex Weyler was a director of the original Greenpeace Foundation, the editor of the organisation’s first newsletter, and a co-founder of Greenpeace International in 1979.
I have read the book and if you can find a copy in your local library I highly recommend it. It destroys Greenpeace’s claims that Patrick Moore was NOT a founder.
Also via WayBack, we have this (all links are still working):
https://web.archive.org/web/20110715181237/http://...
But it really doesn't matter, it's just a lot of bluster from the usual gadget to distract from the story.November 1, 1971: Jim Bohlen, Irving Stowe, and Paul Cote met to wrap up the Don’t Make a Wave Committee. They decided that Hunter should set up Greenpeace Foundation as a separate organization, but this isn’t what happened. The Don’t Make a Wave Committee had legal standing and a surplus of funds, so upon reflection, it seemed counterproductive to start over. Ben Metcalfe brokered a deal to keep the organization in tact and turn its attention on French nuclear testing in the South Pacific.
January 21, 1972: The Don’t Make a Wave Committee resolved to change its name to the “Greenpeace Foundation” and turned over $9,678 to Dorothy and Ben Metcalfe.
May 4, 1972: The Provincial Societies office in Victoria, British Columbia registered the name, “Greenpeace Foundation.” Patrick Moore was present at the registration of Greenpeace Foundation.
The above information can be found in the book, “Greenpeace: The Inside Story: How a Group of Ecologists, Journalists and Visionaries Changed the World” by Rex Weyler.
Rex Weyler was a director of the original Greenpeace Foundation, the editor of the organisation’s first newsletter, and a co-founder of Greenpeace International in 1979.
I have read the book and if you can find a copy in your local library I highly recommend it. It destroys Greenpeace’s claims that Patrick Moore was NOT a founder.
Also via WayBack, we have this (all links are still working):
https://web.archive.org/web/20110715181237/http://...
Fact said:
Dr. Patrick Moore: From Winter Harbour, BC; earned a Ph.D. in ecology from UBC, sailed on the first Greenpeace voyage, drafted the “Greenpeace Declaration of Interdependence” with Hunter in 1975, and was president of the Greenpeace Foundation, 1977-79, then president of Greenpeace Canada until 1985.
A simple Google of your text takes you here:
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&...
Who founded Greenpeace? Not Patrick Moore.
Why don't you ever show your sources Deeps?
Like we don't know.
Funny how he himself doesn't claim to be a founder of Greenpeace, just the flat earthers trying to give their quotes from him some gravitas.
Yes he sailed on the first protest ship, but as a member not a founder, the declaration of interdependence is not the founding document of Greenpeace.
So there he is writing "please let me sail on your ship" and all of a sudden he's a founder.
Top 1% on the IQ Test, laughable.
Edited by gadgetmac on Thursday 14th March 08:58
Moore: Greenpeas in historical revisionism shocker 
https://dailycaller.com/2019/03/13/greenpeace-patr...
Greenpeace’s website listed Moore among its “founders and first members” before quietly removing it around 2007
Moore, who left Greenpeace in 1986, called the group “corrupt, decadent and lazy.” Indeed, Greenpeace has been rocked by scandals in recent years, including losing millions in donations speculating on international currency markets.
Failed fatgreencats
https://dailycaller.com/2019/03/13/greenpeace-patr...
Greenpeace’s website listed Moore among its “founders and first members” before quietly removing it around 2007
Moore, who left Greenpeace in 1986, called the group “corrupt, decadent and lazy.” Indeed, Greenpeace has been rocked by scandals in recent years, including losing millions in donations speculating on international currency markets.
Failed fatgreencats
Dr Moore Cofounder of Greenpeace said:
My decision (to part company) was made in the 1980s. At the time I said very clearly, ‘I’m going to stick with science and logic, you can keep your fear-mongering'” We did a good job and it’s a shame it got turned into a racket. They should retire.
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