Climate change - the POLITICAL debate. (Vol 5)

[Jinx]

wc98 said:

possible to read that two ways. it's a list of people that were founders or first members or a list of people that were both.

The link I posted is the earliest one on the wayback machine - read that and it is fairly clear. Patrick Moore joined the Don't make a Wave committee before it became Greenpeace.

[chrispmartha]

wc98 said:

chrispmartha said:

HTH

possible to read that two ways. it's a list of people that were founders or first members or a list of people that were both.

Possibly yes, but that's not the point being made is it, TB again posts something as though it's some kind of concrete proof, but unsurprisingly it isn't.

[wc98]

gadgetmac said:

Another chance for you and the GWPF to misrepresent what the vast majority of Chinese scientists are saying more like.

Desertification in northern China affected by global warming, say Chinese scientists

https://gbtimes.com/desertification-in-northern-ch...

Chinese scientists call for control of global warming.

http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2018-12/01/c_1376...

Ocean temperatures to rise four times more quickly in next 40 years, warn US and Chinese scientists.

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/21...

what were you saying about posting science links in the politics thread ? best go look up the history of deforestation in china before believing alarmist modelling propaganda

[gadgetmac]

Jinx said:

wc98 said:

possible to read that two ways. it's a list of people that were founders or first members or a list of people that were both.

The link I posted is the earliest one on the wayback machine - read that and it is fairly clear. Patrick Moore joined the Don't make a Wave committee before it became Greenpeace.

Wrong.

I joined my company under its previous name which it subsequently changed whilst I was still there. It didn't make me a founder of the new company.

He joined an existing organisation, they changed name, he isn't a founder of the new company just one of its first members.

[wc98]

Jinx said:

The link I posted is the earliest one on the wayback machine - read that and it is fairly clear. Patrick Moore joined the Don't make a Wave committee before it became Greenpeace.

i agree, it was just a response to only one interpretation being taken of that particular link.

[gadgetmac]

wc98 said:

gadgetmac said:

Another chance for you and the GWPF to misrepresent what the vast majority of Chinese scientists are saying more like.

Desertification in northern China affected by global warming, say Chinese scientists

https://gbtimes.com/desertification-in-northern-ch...

Chinese scientists call for control of global warming.

http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2018-12/01/c_1376...

Ocean temperatures to rise four times more quickly in next 40 years, warn US and Chinese scientists.

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/21...

what were you saying about posting science links in the politics thread ? best go look up the history of deforestation in china before believing alarmist modelling propaganda

Yep, posting science in the politics thread because you'll get slaughtered in the science thread if you did it seems to be the new way of the denier.

I joined in to show it for what it is, easily linked to rubbish in the wrong thread..as your leader seems to like doing it I thought I'd have a go too. Might do it more often.

[gadgetmac]

wc98 said:

chrispmartha said:

HTH

possible to read that two ways. it's a list of people that were founders or first members or a list of people that were both.

Not in conjunction with his application letter it's not.

[chrispmartha]

wc98 said:

Jinx said:

The link I posted is the earliest one on the wayback machine - read that and it is fairly clear. Patrick Moore joined the Don't make a Wave committee before it became Greenpeace.

i agree, it was just a response to only one interpretation being taken of that particular link.

But interestingly you replied to me, who was highlighting that TB was doing exactly that (taking one interpretation of it) Why didn't you pick him up on it first?

[wc98]

gadgetmac said:

Wrong.

I joined my company under its previous name which it subsequently changed whilst I was still there. It didn't make me a founder of the new company.

He joined an existing organisation, they changed name, he isn't a founder of the new company just one of its first members.

can we accept he was a senior member that left due to them becoming a bunch of hypocritical lazy fruitloops ?

[Jinx]

gadgetmac said:

Wrong.

I joined my company under its previous name which it subsequently changed whilst I was still there. It didn't make me a founder of the new company.

He joined an existing organisation, they changed name, he isn't a founder of the new company just one of its first members.

Did you read the link?

It was a small committee who were Joined by Patrick Moore and one other (the other is quite important as he came up with the new name for the whole committee - "Greenpeace" ).
Stop trying to re-interpret history to fit some warped ideal that Greenpeace has not somehow changed its agenda. FFS it was an anti-nuclear testing movement when it was formed. Who is it at Greenpeace that is now a denier? Were they even there?

[gadgetmac]

Diderot said:

gadgetmac said:

Diderot said:

And quelle surprise Sir Gadgetmac of Gullibleville your third link seems to be riven with the conditional tense too.

Remind us once again what you were hoping to prove? And indeed remind us once again how many times you were dropped on your head as a baby?

Not so many times that I woke up thinking I was a professor that's for sure.

The point was you clown that anybody can cut and paste links by the bucket load simply to drown out a thread with rubbish links. And once again it's to the GWPF who will no doubt have put their own slant on the stories as we've seen many times before.

Of course I don't expect someone with the IQ of a garden snail to have realised that.

So you didn’t read the articles linked, just like you didn’t read the Independent one a week or so ago.

The difference between you and i is that I wake up with my PhD credentials and my professorial chair, and you never wake up.

Well you would when they come free inside every packet of rice krispies. "Look mum, I've got a PhD!"

[Diderot]

gadgetmac said:

Diderot said:

gadgetmac said:

Diderot said:

And quelle surprise Sir Gadgetmac of Gullibleville your third link seems to be riven with the conditional tense too.

Remind us once again what you were hoping to prove? And indeed remind us once again how many times you were dropped on your head as a baby?

Not so many times that I woke up thinking I was a professor that's for sure.

The point was you clown that anybody can cut and paste links by the bucket load simply to drown out a thread with rubbish links. And once again it's to the GWPF who will no doubt have put their own slant on the stories as we've seen many times before.

Of course I don't expect someone with the IQ of a garden snail to have realised that.

So you didn’t read the articles linked, just like you didn’t read the Independent one a week or so ago.

The difference between you and i is that I wake up with my PhD credentials and my professorial chair, and you never wake up.

Well you would when they come free inside every packet of rice krispies. "Look mum, I've got a PhD!"

If it were that easy, you'd have one.

[gadgetmac]

Jinx said:

gadgetmac said:

Wrong.

I joined my company under its previous name which it subsequently changed whilst I was still there. It didn't make me a founder of the new company.

He joined an existing organisation, they changed name, he isn't a founder of the new company just one of its first members.

Did you read the link?

It was a small committee who were Joined by Patrick Moore and one other (the other is quite important as he came up with the new name for the whole committee - "Greenpeace" ).
Stop trying to re-interpret history to fit some warped ideal that Greenpeace has not somehow changed its agenda. FFS it was an anti-nuclear testing movement when it was formed. Who is it at Greenpeace that is now a denier? Were they even there?

He asked to sail on the ship to protest, not join the committee. Read his letter.

[anonymous-user]

Diderot said:

If it were that easy, you'd have one.

He might not actually want to be an 18 century french philosophy teacher.

Not many threads on PHs about that is there?

[gadgetmac]

Diderot said:

gadgetmac said:

Diderot said:

gadgetmac said:

Diderot said:

And quelle surprise Sir Gadgetmac of Gullibleville your third link seems to be riven with the conditional tense too.

Remind us once again what you were hoping to prove? And indeed remind us once again how many times you were dropped on your head as a baby?

Not so many times that I woke up thinking I was a professor that's for sure.

The point was you clown that anybody can cut and paste links by the bucket load simply to drown out a thread with rubbish links. And once again it's to the GWPF who will no doubt have put their own slant on the stories as we've seen many times before.

Of course I don't expect someone with the IQ of a garden snail to have realised that.

So you didn’t read the articles linked, just like you didn’t read the Independent one a week or so ago.

The difference between you and i is that I wake up with my PhD credentials and my professorial chair, and you never wake up.

Well you would when they come free inside every packet of rice krispies. "Look mum, I've got a PhD!"

If it were that easy, you'd have one.

I have the whole set. Like yours they are very useful in everyday life and help explain the science we are talking about right here. You know, advanced Knitting and Crochet, fashion design philosophy, theatre and arts in the Solomon Islands circa 1640 AD.

[gadgetmac]

wc98 said:

gadgetmac said:

Wrong.

I joined my company under its previous name which it subsequently changed whilst I was still there. It didn't make me a founder of the new company.

He joined an existing organisation, they changed name, he isn't a founder of the new company just one of its first members.

can we accept he was a senior member that left due to them becoming a bunch of hypocritical lazy fruitloops ?

Well we can certainly coalesce around the fact that he was a senior member that left them due to his realising he could get paid oodles of cash from Big Oil, Forestry and Nuclear concerns than he could ever dream of with Greenpeace.

From moral protestor of Nuclear to paid consultant for the Nuclear industry. What a guy!

[Jinx]

gadgetmac said:

He asked to sail on the ship to protest, not join the committee. Read his letter.

Greenpeace said:

In 1970, Paul Cote (a law student at the University of British Columbia), Jim Bohlen (a former deep-sea diver and radar operator in the US Navy) and Irving Stowe (a Quaker and Yale-educated lawyer), established the Don't Make A Wave Committee. The committee's sole objective was to stop the second test.

The three friends were joined by Patrick Moore, an ecology student at the University of British Columbia, and Bill Darnell, a young social worker. Darnell came up with the dynamic combination of words to bound together the group's concern for the planet and opposition to nuclear arms. The committee was renamed Greenpeace.

[robinessex]

Climate strikes spread worldwide as students call for action

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-47581585

More children indoctrination/brainwashing. What the hell are schools teaching these days? Sure isn't pure science.

Thousands of school pupils worldwide have abandoned classrooms for a day of protest against climate change.
India, South Korea, Australia and France are among the countries where teenagers are already on strike.

[Jinx]

robinessex said:

Climate strikes spread worldwide as students call for action

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-47581585

More children indoctrination/brainwashing. What the hell are schools teaching these days? Sure isn't pure science.

Thousands of school pupils worldwide have abandoned classrooms for a day of protest against climate change.
India, South Korea, Australia and France are among the countries where teenagers are already on strike.

On a similar note I will be protesting climate change by drinking copious amounts of Guiness whilst the Rugby is on and on St. Patrick's Day. Now can I get any sponsors for my worthy cause?

[gadgetmac]

Jinx said:

gadgetmac said:

He asked to sail on the ship to protest, not join the committee. Read his letter.

Greenpeace said:

In 1970, Paul Cote (a law student at the University of British Columbia), Jim Bohlen (a former deep-sea diver and radar operator in the US Navy) and Irving Stowe (a Quaker and Yale-educated lawyer), established the Don't Make A Wave Committee. The committee's sole objective was to stop the second test.

The three friends were joined by Patrick Moore, an ecology student at the University of British Columbia, and Bill Darnell, a young social worker. Darnell came up with the dynamic combination of words to bound together the group's concern for the planet and opposition to nuclear arms. The committee was renamed Greenpeace.

Exactly. The original founders of the Don’t Make A Wave Committee are also the founders of the Greenpeace organisation as Greenpeace is just the Don’t Make A Wave Committee renamed. As you show there were 3 of them.

Greenpeace said:

Patrick Moore Did Not Found Greenpeace

Patrick Moore frequently portrays himself as a founder or co-founder of Greenpeace, and many news outlets have repeated this characterization. Although Mr. Moore played a significant role in Greenpeace Canada for several years, he did not found Greenpeace. Phil Cote, Irving Stowe, and Jim Bohlen founded Greenpeace in 1970.

Patrick Moore applied for a berth on the Phyllis Cormack in March, 1971 after the organization had already been in existence for a year.