Climate change - the POLITICAL debate. (Vol 5)

[gadgetmac]

Diderot said:

gadgetmac said:

So again you dodge the question with some oh-so-obvious waffle to hide your knowledge deficit.

Here's the link I forgot to post.

http://science.sciencemag.org/content/292/5520/126...

As the article says it's:

A joint statement issued by the Australian Academy of Sciences, Royal Flemish Academy of Belgium for Sciences and the Arts, Brazilian Academy of Sciences, Royal Society of Canada, Caribbean Academy of Sciences, Chinese Academy of Sciences, French Academy of Sciences, German Academy of Natural Scientists Leopoldina, Indian National Science Academy, Indonesian Academy of Sciences, Royal Irish Academy, Accademia Nazionale dei Lincei (Italy), Academy of Sciences Malaysia, Academy Council of the Royal Society of New Zealand, Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences, Turkish Academy of Sciences, and Royal Society (UK).

Would you like more?

Come on prof, surely you can find ONE Institute to agree with you

That's from 2001, way before the debacles that are Glaicergate and Climategate surfaced, and indeed all the criticism of AR4.

Again, you didn't answer the question

You do know people can see all of this swerving you're doing don't you?

OK, you didn't like the year, best tell your boss who posts stuff from the 90's now and then.

Anyway, here's a few from more recently. I did the research as you are incapable, obviously.

Health Effects of Climate Change(Statement of the Inter Academy Medical Panel/42 National Academies of Sciences, 2010)

http://www.leopoldina.org/de/publikationen/detaila...

Statement on the health co-benefits of policies to tackle climate change

It is widely agreed that human activities are changing Earth’s climate beyond natural climatic fluctuations. The emission and accumulation of greenhouse gases associated with the burning of fossil fuels, along with other activities, such as land use change, are the principal causes of climate change…

Climate change poses a significant threat to human health in many direct and indirect ways…

Although there are some uncertainties about the magnitude of climate change and its impacts, there is widespread consensus that to mitigate climate change and reduce its impact on health, near term deep cuts in global greenhouse gas emissions are needed. Actions should be greatest in those high-income countries that have benefited most from burning fossil fuels. The longer we delay, the more severe the impacts on health, the environment and the economy; and the greater the future cost of mitigation. Since some degree of climate change is now inevitable, countries will have to adapt to the associated health risks…

Signatories

·   Academia Nacional de Medicina de Buenos Aires
·   Academy of Medical Sciences of Armenia
·   Austrian Academy of Sciences
·   Bangladesh Academy of Sciences
·   Academia Boliviana de Medicina
·   Brazilian Academy of Sciences
·   Chinese Academy of Engineering
·   Academia Nacional de Medicina de Colombia
·   Croatian Academy of Medical Sciences
·   Croatian Academy of Sciences and Arts
·   Academy of Scientific Research and Technology, Egypt
·   Académie Nationale de Médecine, France
·   The Delegation of the Finnish Academies of Science and Letters
·   Union of German Academies of Sciences and Humanities
·   Deutsche Akademie der Naturforscher, Leopoldina
·   Academia de Ciencias Medicas, Fisicas y Naturales de Guatemala
·  Hungarian Academy of Sciences
·   Indonesian Academy of Sciences
·   TWAS, academy of sciences for the developing world
·   Islamic World Academy of Sciences
·   Science Council of Japan
·   African Academy of Sciences
·   Kenya National Academy of Sciences
·   The Nat Academy of Sciences, Rep. of Korea
·   Akademi Sains Malaysia
·   National Academy of Medicine of Mexico
·   Nigerian Academy of Science
·   Nat Academy of Science & Tech, Philippines
·   Polish Academy of Sciences
·   The Caribbean Academy of Sciences
·   Russian Academy of Medical Sciences
·   Slovenian Academy of Sciences and Arts
·   Academy of Science of South Africa
·   National Academy of Sciences of Sri Lanka
·   Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences
·   The Tanzania Academy of Sciences
·   Thai Academy of Science and Technology
·   Turkish Academy of Sciences
·   Uganda National Academy Sciences
·   Academy of Medical Sciences, UK
·   Institute of Medicine, US NAS

[gadgetmac]

Want another faux-pro?

Ok here's another list of scientific institutes who don't think you know what you are talking about:

Facing critical decisions on climate change (Joint Statement of the European Academies Science Advisory Council and its 29 members, 2015)

http://www.leopoldina.org/de/publikationen/detaila...

Facing critical decisions on climate change in2015

The science of climate change reported by the IPCC Fourth Assessment (2007) and Fifth Assessment (2014) have been thoroughly evaluated by numerous national academies (e.g. Royal Society/National Academy of Sciences, Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences) and by international bodies. Advances in science and technology have increased our knowledge of how to mitigate climate change,uncertainties in the scientific analysis continue to be addressed, co-benefits of mitigation tohealth have been revealed, and new business opportunities have been found. EASAC remains concerned, however, that progress in turning this substantial evidence base into an international policy response has so far failed to match the full magnitude and urgency of the problem…

Even if emissions of GHG stopped altogether, existing concentrations of GHG in the atmosphere would continue to exert a warming effect for a long time. Whatever measures are put in place to reduce the intensity of global human-induced climateforcing, building resilience through adaptation will be necessary to provide more resilience to the risks already emerging as a result of climate change…

Signatories/Members of the European Academies Science Advisory Council

·   Academia Europaea

·   All European Academies (ALLEA)

·   The Austrian Academy of Sciences

·   The Royal Academies for Science and the Arts of Belgium

·   The Bulgarian Academy of Sciences

·   The Croatian Academy of Sciences and Arts

·   The Czech Academy of Sciences

·   The Royal Danish Academy of Sciences and Letters

·   The Estonian Academy of Sciences

·   The Council of Finnish Academies

·   The German Academy of Sciences Leopoldina

·   The Academy of Athens

·   The Hungarian Academy of Sciences

·   The Royal Irish Academy

·   The Accademia Nazionale dei Lincei

·   The Latvian Academy of Sciences

·   The Lithuanian Academy of Sciences

·   The Royal Netherlands Academy of Arts and Sciences

·   The Norwegian Academy of Science and Letters

·   The Polish Academy of Sciences

·   The Academy of Sciences of Lisbon

·   The Romanian Academy

·   The Slovak Academy of Sciences

·   The Slovenian Academy of Sciences and Arts

·   The Spanish Royal Academy of Sciences

·   The Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences

·   The Swiss Academies of Arts and Sciences

·   The Royal Society

·   The Federation of European Academies of Medicine (FEAM) (Observer)

 

[gadgetmac]

Want some more?

Can I get you to give me the name of ONE scientific Institute from anywhere, even Mars that doesn't believe in MMGW?

[Diderot]

gadgetmac said:

Want some more?

Can I get you to give me the name of ONE scientific Institute from anywhere, even Mars that doesn't believe in MMGW?

Be my guest. I love seeing you waste your time.

[robinessex]

Mr. G, I thought you didn't know what a bandwagon was? You've just posted twice showing one in full flight. AGW, roll up, roll up. More room on board. Lots of money to investigate anything as long as it's got climate in the title. Don't worry, no one will be able to prove you wrong, as none of us will be here in a 100yrs time.

[gadgetmac]

Diderot said:

gadgetmac said:

Want some more?

Can I get you to give me the name of ONE scientific Institute from anywhere, even Mars that doesn't believe in MMGW?

Be my guest. I love seeing you waste your time.

OK, I’ll leave you alone now, you’ve been trounced enough for one 24 hour period.

Let me know when you’ve got something to counter my assertion with

[gadgetmac]

robinessex said:

Mr. G, I thought you didn't know what a bandwagon was? You've just posted twice showing one in full flight. AGW, roll up, roll up. More room on board. Lots of money to investigate anything as long as it's got climate in the title. Don't worry, no one will be able to prove you wrong, as none of us will be here in a 100yrs time.

Ah, the “bandwagon” argument or as its more commonly known, the Conspiracy theory.

[Diderot]

gadgetmac said:

Diderot said:

gadgetmac said:

Want some more?

Can I get you to give me the name of ONE scientific Institute from anywhere, even Mars that doesn't believe in MMGW?

Be my guest. I love seeing you waste your time.

OK, I’ll leave you alone now, you’ve been trounced enough for one 24 hour period.

Let me know when you’ve got something to counter my assertion with

Er no. You simply fail to understand some basic concepts: institutions cannot 'believe' and faith is anathema to science. But as I said, keep wasting your time.

[gadgetmac]

Diderot said:

gadgetmac said:

Diderot said:

gadgetmac said:

Want some more?

Can I get you to give me the name of ONE scientific Institute from anywhere, even Mars that doesn't believe in MMGW?

Be my guest. I love seeing you waste your time.

OK, I’ll leave you alone now, you’ve been trounced enough for one 24 hour period.

Let me know when you’ve got something to counter my assertion with

Er no. You simply fail to understand some basic concepts: institutions cannot 'believe' and faith is anathema to science. But as I said, keep wasting your time.

Keep swerving.

[Diderot]

gadgetmac said:

Diderot said:

gadgetmac said:

Diderot said:

gadgetmac said:

Want some more?

Can I get you to give me the name of ONE scientific Institute from anywhere, even Mars that doesn't believe in MMGW?

Be my guest. I love seeing you waste your time.

OK, I’ll leave you alone now, you’ve been trounced enough for one 24 hour period.

Let me know when you’ve got something to counter my assertion with

Er no. You simply fail to understand some basic concepts: institutions cannot 'believe' and faith is anathema to science. But as I said, keep wasting your time.

Keep swerving.

Not swerving. You are the one proclaiming that every single scientific institution on the planet believes in the fable of CAGW. But beyond the fact that institutions cannot believe, you can’t substantiate your assertion and you cannot understand that faith has no place in science..

Moreover you consistently fail to read and understand links you post and you fail to understand what research is and how it is conducted. It’s almost as if you want to out-fail the abject failure of all GCM models. Tough ask obvs, but keep on trying.

[deeps]

I wouldn't bother playing along with gadget if I was you Diderot. He appears to believe that appeals to authority are the be all and end all.

In reality, here on planet Earth, who agrees or believes what, when and how is actually irrelevant. The actual climate won't be influenced by so called consensus one jot, unlike many gullible character types and obviously young inexperienced school children, who of course will be greatly influenced by authority, and boy don't we have to suffer it daily on this thread.

Let gadget play to himself I say, no comment is needed on his transparent repetitious appeals to authority. That's actually all he has, so let's not be the hand that feeds him

[gadgetmac]

deeps said:

I wouldn't bother playing along with gadget if I was you Diderot. He appears to believe that appeals to authority are the be all and end all.

In reality, here on planet Earth, who agrees or believes what, when and how is actually irrelevant. The actual climate won't be influenced by so called consensus one jot, unlike many gullible character types and obviously young inexperienced school children, who of course will be greatly influenced by authority, and boy don't we have to suffer it daily on this thread.

Let gadget play to himself I say, no comment is needed on his transparent repetitious appeals to authority. That's actually all he has, so let's not be the hand that feeds him

That's basically what the flat earthers said on the Netflix documentary. Quoting NASA who have satellites in orbit is apparently also an appeal to authority.

You have a sooooo much in common.

[gadgetmac]

Diderot said:

gadgetmac said:

Diderot said:

gadgetmac said:

Diderot said:

gadgetmac said:

Want some more?

Can I get you to give me the name of ONE scientific Institute from anywhere, even Mars that doesn't believe in MMGW?

Be my guest. I love seeing you waste your time.

OK, I’ll leave you alone now, you’ve been trounced enough for one 24 hour period.

Let me know when you’ve got something to counter my assertion with

Er no. You simply fail to understand some basic concepts: institutions cannot 'believe' and faith is anathema to science. But as I said, keep wasting your time.

Keep swerving.

Not swerving. You are the one proclaiming that every single scientific institution on the planet believes in the fable of CAGW. But beyond the fact that institutions cannot believe, you can’t substantiate your assertion and you cannot understand that faith has no place in science..

Moreover you consistently fail to read and understand links you post and you fail to understand what research is and how it is conducted. It’s almost as if you want to out-fail the abject failure of all GCM models. Tough ask obvs, but keep on trying.

Every single scientific institution in the world agrees with AGW.

I've demonstrated 70 myself in 2 posts and could look back and drag LoonyTunes list into this post to make it hundreds.

Meanwhile you can't find even one to support your belief because there are none.

[robinessex]

Beebs CC propoganda today

Climate change: Water shortages in England 'within 25 years'

Within 25 years England will not have enough water to meet demand, the head of the Environment Agency is warning.
The impact of climate change, combined with population growth, means the country is facing an "existential threat", Sir James Bevan is expected to say in a speech.

The average rainfall in the UK is approximately 100 times more than we use. If the government hadn't flogged of the water industry to a load of foreigners, who promptly sold of space reserved for future reservoirs, we wouldn't have a 'problem'. Plans for pumping water from the north to the south also went out the window, as the various water companies couldn't agree on the cost sharing. Climate is nothing to do with it at all. Politics in full flight here.

[gadgetmac]

robinessex said:

Beebs CC propoganda today

Climate change: Water shortages in England 'within 25 years'

Within 25 years England will not have enough water to meet demand, the head of the Environment Agency is warning.
The impact of climate change, combined with population growth, means the country is facing an "existential threat", Sir James Bevan is expected to say in a speech.

The average rainfall in the UK is approximately 100 times more than we use. If the government hadn't flogged of the water industry to a load of foreigners, who promptly sold of space reserved for future reservoirs, we wouldn't have a 'problem'. Plans for pumping water from the north to the south also went out the window, as the various water companies couldn't agree on the cost sharing. Climate is nothing to do with it at all. Politics in full flight here.

Absolute Rubbish again.

Climate scientists have been saying for years that one of the primary effects of Climate Change will be the disruption to the water cycle and the knock on effect on Sanitation, Drinking Water and Food Production.

Or did you think that a changed weather pattern from that which our civilisation has been developed within would be a good thing as well as the increase in CO2?

Oh and by the way, best not to shout too loudly about the privatisation of the water industry, your ultra right wing comrades will be appalled at your stance on that issue.

Calm down TB, I'm sure he didn't mean it.

[Pan Pan Pan]

On the news this morning. there wont be enough water to satisfy human requirements in as little as fifty years time. Just another part of the jig saw, that the man made climate change proponents don't really want to know about. So no problem.
Square miles of the Earths lungs, the rain forests being cut down every? day.no problem.
Loss of other species at unprecedented rates in the news this week? No problem.
Use of fossil fuels and extraction of minerals increasing? No problem.
Loss of wild habitat owing to human encroachment? No Problem.
World oceans becoming lifeless as the fish are being hoovered out of them, with the attendant damage to the sea floor. No problem
Now who or what could all those `no problem' issues be being done for.
Do people cut down rain forests, carry out actions which lead to species loss, drag oil and minerals out of the ground, take over and build on wild areas of the planet, just for the fun of it, or could they be doing all that for a certain single species on the planet.
Climate change is just the f*rt which happens when people eat a whole load of beans, it is just the symptom, not the problem.

[gadgetmac]

You are a funny one PPP.

Once a month you come into the thread to berate us about population growth as if those of us who know that MMGW is real do not see a problem with unfettered population growth.



I'd say that your argument is more with the flat earthers on here who believe in a completely laissez-faire society like the libertarians.

All of the things you mention need addressing.

Why not start a thread about your pet subject to get clarity on this?

[Diderot]

gadgetmac said:

robinessex said:

Beebs CC propoganda today

Climate change: Water shortages in England 'within 25 years'

Within 25 years England will not have enough water to meet demand, the head of the Environment Agency is warning.
The impact of climate change, combined with population growth, means the country is facing an "existential threat", Sir James Bevan is expected to say in a speech.

The average rainfall in the UK is approximately 100 times more than we use. If the government hadn't flogged of the water industry to a load of foreigners, who promptly sold of space reserved for future reservoirs, we wouldn't have a 'problem'. Plans for pumping water from the north to the south also went out the window, as the various water companies couldn't agree on the cost sharing. Climate is nothing to do with it at all. Politics in full flight here.

Absolute Rubbish again.

Climate scientists have been saying for years that one of the primary effects of Climate Change will be the disruption to the water cycle and the knock on effect on Sanitation, Drinking Water and Food Production.

Or did you think that a changed weather pattern from that which our civilisation has been developed within would be a good thing as well as the increase in CO2?

Oh and by the way, best not to shout too loudly about the privatisation of the water industry, your ultra right wing comrades will be appalled at your stance on that issue.

Calm down TB, I'm sure he didn't mean it.

As reported in the Telegraph in May last year:

Britain’s leaky pipes are threatening to cast large areas of the country into drought, officials have warned. The Environment Agency last night challenged major water companies to improve their infrastructure as it said they were losing the equivalent to 20 million people's water usage every day.

In a major report, the agency said three billion litres of water a day are lost through leakage, which combined with population growth and the effects of climate change threaten to cause significant shortages in coming years.


Now, of course, the BBC article doesn’t mention the leaks, it’s all to do with the issue they’ve signed up to promote and proselytise: CAGW.

[gadgetmac]

Diderot said:

gadgetmac said:

robinessex said:

Beebs CC propoganda today

Climate change: Water shortages in England 'within 25 years'

Within 25 years England will not have enough water to meet demand, the head of the Environment Agency is warning.
The impact of climate change, combined with population growth, means the country is facing an "existential threat", Sir James Bevan is expected to say in a speech.

The average rainfall in the UK is approximately 100 times more than we use. If the government hadn't flogged of the water industry to a load of foreigners, who promptly sold of space reserved for future reservoirs, we wouldn't have a 'problem'. Plans for pumping water from the north to the south also went out the window, as the various water companies couldn't agree on the cost sharing. Climate is nothing to do with it at all. Politics in full flight here.

Absolute Rubbish again.

Climate scientists have been saying for years that one of the primary effects of Climate Change will be the disruption to the water cycle and the knock on effect on Sanitation, Drinking Water and Food Production.

Or did you think that a changed weather pattern from that which our civilisation has been developed within would be a good thing as well as the increase in CO2?

Oh and by the way, best not to shout too loudly about the privatisation of the water industry, your ultra right wing comrades will be appalled at your stance on that issue.

Calm down TB, I'm sure he didn't mean it.

As reported in the Telegraph in May last year:

Britain’s leaky pipes are threatening to cast large areas of the country into drought, officials have warned. The Environment Agency last night challenged major water companies to improve their infrastructure as it said they were losing the equivalent to 20 million people's water usage every day.

In a major report, the agency said three billion litres of water a day are lost through leakage, which combined with population growth and the effects of climate change threaten to cause significant shortages in coming years.


Now, of course, the BBC article doesn’t mention the leaks, it’s all to do with the issue they’ve signed up to promote and proselytise: CAGW.

Re-read the BBC article you illiterate buffoon.

Second to last and penultimate paragraphs:

The Environment Agency has previously warned of water shortages by 2050 and the government has already suggested that people's water use be reduced, in its 25-year plan published last year.

Its report in May last year found enough water to meet the needs of 20 million people is lost through leakage every day.



Got that ONE scientific Institute yet?

[Jinx]

gadgetmac said:

Re-read the BBC article you illiterate buffoon.

Second to last and penultimate paragraphs:

The Environment Agency has previously warned of water shortages by 2050 and the government has already suggested that people's water use be reduced, in its 25-year plan published last year.

Its report in May last year found enough water to meet the needs of 20 million people is lost through leakage every day.



Got that ONE scientific Institute yet?

American Association of Petroleum Geologists
Society of Exploration Geophysicists
Society for Sedimentary Geology (formerly Society of Economic Paleontologists and Mineralogists)
Society of Petroleum Engineers
Gulf Coast Association of Geological Societies
American Association of Petroleum Landmen (and women)
Independent Petroleum Association of America
Society of Independent Professional Earth Scientists.
Houston Geological Society
New Orleans Geological Society
Society of Petrophysicists and and Well Log Analysts (a really fun bunch)
International Association of Geophysical Contractors
American Petroleum Institute
Offshore Oil Scouts Association
International Association of Oil & Gas Producers

HTH