Climate change - the POLITICAL debate. (Vol 5)

[anonymous-user]

DibblyDobbler said:

I'm interested in the link between climate change and extreme weather events - droughts, floods, wildfires, hurricanes etc - what's the view on the science behind this?

(sorry I know it's the politics thread but they're a bit scary on the science thread!)

As you’ve seen. You’re really much better off asking on the science thread.

[robinessex]

gadgetmac said:

robinessex said:

gadgetmac said:

DibblyDobbler said:

I'm interested in the link between climate change and extreme weather events - droughts, floods, wildfires, hurricanes etc - what's the view on the science behind this?

(sorry I know it's the politics thread but they're a bit scary on the science thread!)

They’re only scary if you don’t like hearing the truth.

Not the truth. It's all guessing. No other way to prove a link

Yes Rob. The vast majority of those involved in Climate Science research are wrong....and you are right.

Dunning-Kruger 101

Go on then, tell me how you prove it ?

[PRTVR]

gadgetmac said:

robinessex said:

gadgetmac said:

DibblyDobbler said:

I'm interested in the link between climate change and extreme weather events - droughts, floods, wildfires, hurricanes etc - what's the view on the science behind this?

(sorry I know it's the politics thread but they're a bit scary on the science thread!)

They’re only scary if you don’t like hearing the truth.

Not the truth. It's all guessing. No other way to prove a link

Yes Rob. The vast majority of those involved in Climate Science research are wrong....and you are right.

Dunning-Kruger 101

If you examine what is said it is full of probably, could and might, you cannot provide a conclusion from the data.

[gadgetmac]

robinessex said:

gadgetmac said:

robinessex said:

gadgetmac said:

DibblyDobbler said:

I'm interested in the link between climate change and extreme weather events - droughts, floods, wildfires, hurricanes etc - what's the view on the science behind this?

(sorry I know it's the politics thread but they're a bit scary on the science thread!)

They’re only scary if you don’t like hearing the truth.

Not the truth. It's all guessing. No other way to prove a link

Yes Rob. The vast majority of those involved in Climate Science research are wrong....and you are right.

Dunning-Kruger 101

Go on then, tell me how you prove it ?

It’s a well understood process Rob. I’m not wasting my time on it yet again. Ask in the Science thread, you’ll definitely get a reply. It is a Science thread question anyway.

Why do you flat earthers always ask the same question time and time again? You do it even when the question has been answered a thousand times.

[DibblyDobbler]

Thanks for the replies gents - views are completely polarised I see as usual!

I had thought there was less evidence to support this than the basic principles of AGW - I will do some research...

[deeps]

DibblyDobbler said:

I'm interested in the link between climate change and extreme weather events - droughts, floods, wildfires, hurricanes etc - what's the view on the science behind this?

(sorry I know it's the politics thread but they're a bit scary on the science thread!)

That's a bit of a lazy question Dibbly, do some research from as many sources as you can find.

Basically, extreme weather events have always occurred (obviously) and will always occur, but the actual occurrence frequency and intensity in the future will always be an unknown. Many people believe a warmer climate would lead to a more stable climate generally, and certainly a more prosperous one for longevity of human survival. That's common sense and logic.

Hurricanes have been in decline. Wildfires have been in the news a lot, but the most logical reason is poor forest management and forest fuel issues ironically probably due to to green pressures.

24/7 news coverage (with an Alarmist agenda) also plays its part, and probably has something to do with why you even asked the question.

[deeps]

gadgetmac said:

Oooo, defending your hero TB again eh deeps? Watch you don’t tug that forlock too hard, you’ll pull your own hair out.

The irony is palpable! You keep stating this, yet i wasn't even addressing you. Your partner was being addressed. You're very loyal, I'll give you that.

gadgetmac said:

Hypocrisy eh?

A simple definition : They that own the greatest CO2 footprint on the entire website, at the same time as being the greatest climate CO2 Alarmists. The gadget/stovey doth protest too much.

[deeps]

El stovey said:

Although I'm reluctant to respond again to you because you’re obviously easily led, vulnerable and unfortunately, an idiot.

Nice. But you'll respond anyway I see

I can assure you, and really it should not even need saying, that if I was "easily led" I would not be on a forum 'debating' people like you. It's precisely because I'm the opposite of your assumption that I am here. I won't call you an idiot, you've probably heard it enough.

[deeps]

SpongeBob’s children take climate centre stage...

Article said:

The media have been ablaze in recent days with pictures of bright eyed, enthusiastic students marching in uniform support of “saving the earth” as it spins inexorably towards a proclaimed fiery death in 12 years. Much of this activity has been here in the U.S.

However, in Sweden a solitary sixteen-year-old has become an international media star as she skipped school and boycotted outside the Swedish parliament building in Stockholm, and conducted a protest against what she perceives as her government’s slow movement on climate change. “I will sit there every Friday until Sweden is aligned with the Paris agreement,” she told enthralled attendees of the United Nations Conference of the Parties 24 (COP24) in Katowice, Poland this past December. Diagnosed with Asperger’s and ADHD, snip

More at the world's most viewed site on global warming...

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/03/22/spongebobs-...

(2 minute read time)

The comments section following the article is highly recommended reading material for realists...

Commenter said:

The renewed efforts from the Chicken Littlists on this generation to indoctrinate them into a cult is going to backfire big. I’m pretty sure they’re going to remember this vividly 12 years from now after they see that none of their efforts did anything yet the Earth is still here.

[durbster]

DibblyDobbler said:

I'm interested in the link between climate change and extreme weather events - droughts, floods, wildfires, hurricanes etc - what's the view on the science behind this?

(sorry I know it's the politics thread but they're a bit scary on the science thread!)

Yeah this is the only aspect to this topic that I've struggled with getting clear information on, I think because I kept coming at the subject from too wide an angle. Each type of weather event has its own unique recipes that determine their impact, so you can't really consider them as one whole thing.

I found this to be a useful summary of where we're at in terms of understanding:
https://arstechnica.com/science/2019/02/how-do-we-...

[DibblyDobbler]

durbster said:

Yeah this is the only aspect to this topic that I've struggled with getting clear information on, I think because I kept coming at the subject from too wide an angle. Each type of weather event has its own unique recipes that determine their impact, so you can't really consider them as one whole thing.

I found this to be a useful summary of where we're at in terms of understanding:
https://arstechnica.com/science/2019/02/how-do-we-...

Thanks - that's just what I was after

[DibblyDobbler]

deeps said:

That's a bit of a lazy question Dibbly, do some research from as many sources as you can find.

You're right, my apologies. I have made a start to doing some 'research' (which seems a bit grand for reading articles off the internet but the best I can do I guess)

[zygalski]

DibblyDobbler said:

deeps said:

That's a bit of a lazy question Dibbly, do some research from as many sources as you can find.

You're right, my apologies. I have made a start to doing some 'research' (which seems a bit grand for reading articles off the internet but the best I can do I guess)

Top tip.
WUWT and various right wing blogs are the most reputable sources.
Marc Morano is worth checking out - he has a proven track record of not lying.
Avoid looking at any info from scientific organisations.

[DibblyDobbler]

zygalski said:

Top tip.
WUWT and various right wing blogs are the most reputable sources.
Marc Morano is worth checking out - he has a proven track record of not lying.
Avoid looking at any info from scientific organisations.

[durbster]

zygalski said:

DibblyDobbler said:

deeps said:

That's a bit of a lazy question Dibbly, do some research from as many sources as you can find.

You're right, my apologies. I have made a start to doing some 'research' (which seems a bit grand for reading articles off the internet but the best I can do I guess)

Top tip.
WUWT and various right wing blogs are the most reputable sources.
Marc Morano is worth checking out - he has a proven track record of not lying.
Avoid looking at any info from scientific organisations.

Don't forget the comment sections, where the real experts reside.

[turbobloke]

No need for any more black tie snorkel poilitical gatherings.

• empirical data compared with climate model projections of sea level rise over the past decade
• gigo models emit excesive sea level rise projections which are well beyond observation
• this comparison invalidates climate model projections of sea level rise

See Watson's JMSE paper on AR5 sea surface height climate model failure.

That agw sinking feeling...

[gadgetmac]

durbster said:

zygalski said:

DibblyDobbler said:

deeps said:

That's a bit of a lazy question Dibbly, do some research from as many sources as you can find.

You're right, my apologies. I have made a start to doing some 'research' (which seems a bit grand for reading articles off the internet but the best I can do I guess)

Top tip.
WUWT and various right wing blogs are the most reputable sources.
Marc Morano is worth checking out - he has a proven track record of not lying.
Avoid looking at any info from scientific organisations.

Don't forget the comment sections, where the real experts reside.

[gadgetmac]

deeps said:

gadgetmac said:

Oooo, defending your hero TB again eh deeps? Watch you don’t tug that forlock too hard, you’ll pull your own hair out.

The irony is palpable! You keep stating this, yet i wasn't even addressing you. Your partner was being addressed. You're very loyal, I'll give you that.

gadgetmac said:

Hypocrisy eh?

A simple definition : They that own the greatest CO2 footprint on the entire website, at the same time as being the greatest climate CO2 Alarmists. The gadget/stovey doth protest too much.

That’s not hypocrisy.

Hypocrisy is when I tell you to do something whilst I do the opposite or preaching that you should all be adjusting your behaviour whilst I do the opposite.

Neither of which we do.

Telling you AGW is real whilst flying a plane or travelling on a plane is not hypocrisy.

Telling you we’re all contributing to AGW whilst continuing in our polluting jobs is not hypocrisy.

Driving a petrol car whilst believing in AGW is not hypocrisy.

Running my tumble dryer whilst knowing how the electricity was produced to do that is not hypocrisy.

IQ in the top 1%? Are you one of Diderot’s students?

[turbobloke]

Greenpeace co-founder Dr Patrick Moore said:

Google has removed my photo and name from the 'Founders of Greenpeace'. It was still there 2 days ago but now I am erased. Tech Tyranny!!

Decline the hide.

[turbobloke]