Climate change - the POLITICAL debate. (Vol 5)
Discussion
El stovey said:
Diderot said:
The film is a Netflix and WWF funded production. The WWF is an advocacy chariddy with an alarmist perspective. Why is such an organisation funding a film? That’s a rhetorical question.
According to you lot, every respected scientific institution on the planet and the vast majority of scientists, the scientific community, the mainstream media and most governments, and now netflix, have “an alarmist perspective” everyone really except some advocacy blogs and a handful of posters in a car forum. What you call an alarmist perspective is actually the scientific consensus and the considered judgement of the scientific community.
That’s why you guys are stuck having to quote (but still disguising) articles in wattsupwiththat and the GWPF (both advocacy blogs) instead of quoting anything reputable.
Take a look at their home page: https://www.wwf.org.uk
WWF's alarmist stance consonant with IPCC AR5 or the 1.5 degree special report? Pull the other one ...
Diderot said:
WWF not alarmist then?
Take a look at their home page: https://www.wwf.org.uk
WWF's alarmist stance consonant with IPCC AR5 or the 1.5 degree special report? Pull the other one ...
they are also hypocrites. as long as the money keeps coming in they don't seem to care where it goes. https://www.survivalinternational.org/news/12129Take a look at their home page: https://www.wwf.org.uk
WWF's alarmist stance consonant with IPCC AR5 or the 1.5 degree special report? Pull the other one ...
The University of Glasgow with the University of Oslo demonstrate beautifully how bulls
t baffles some brains... I wonder how much their funding was for this vital work... 
t baffles some brains... I wonder how much their funding was for this vital work... Article said:
The beauty of streaming is that it provides listeners with the newest and trendiest music at the snap of a finger, as opposed to physical albums which cost a lot more, and in comparison, restrict the listener to what they’re listening to.
As a result, streaming has paved the way forward for a massive amount of music listeners — especially young ones.
Unfortunately for these listeners, however, they are unintentionally helping to increase greenhouse gas emissions across the globe, according to the recent study.
Before the digital age, plastic consumption was the biggest concern in how music affects the environment. But now, more than ever, the industry is contributing an unprecedented amount to climate change.
https://globalnews.ca/news/5150481/streaming-music...As a result, streaming has paved the way forward for a massive amount of music listeners — especially young ones.
Unfortunately for these listeners, however, they are unintentionally helping to increase greenhouse gas emissions across the globe, according to the recent study.
Before the digital age, plastic consumption was the biggest concern in how music affects the environment. But now, more than ever, the industry is contributing an unprecedented amount to climate change.
Realist said:
It's BS like this which makes rabid eco-terrorists start shaming regular citizens for their choice to drive, use old light bulbs, eat steaks, etc. They actually believe the "climate crisis" myth so strongly that now they'll be protesting against music streaming too. The liberals could now have a carbon tax on your Spotify account. Even witchcraft in medieval times was more realistic than Al Gore's debunked global warming science fiction. Sigh.
You have to laugh I suppose deeps said:
The University of Glasgow with the University of Oslo demonstrate beautifully how bullst baffles some brains... I wonder how much their funding was for this vital work...
'Massive amount of music listeners' t baffles some brains... I wonder how much their funding was for this vital work... Article said:
The beauty of streaming is that it provides listeners with the newest and trendiest music at the snap of a finger, as opposed to physical albums which cost a lot more, and in comparison, restrict the listener to what they’re listening to.
As a result, streaming has paved the way forward for a massive amount of music listeners — especially young ones.
Unfortunately for these listeners, however, they are unintentionally helping to increase greenhouse gas emissions across the globe, according to the recent study.
Before the digital age, plastic consumption was the biggest concern in how music affects the environment. But now, more than ever, the industry is contributing an unprecedented amount to climate change.
https://globalnews.ca/news/5150481/streaming-music...As a result, streaming has paved the way forward for a massive amount of music listeners — especially young ones.
Unfortunately for these listeners, however, they are unintentionally helping to increase greenhouse gas emissions across the globe, according to the recent study.
Before the digital age, plastic consumption was the biggest concern in how music affects the environment. But now, more than ever, the industry is contributing an unprecedented amount to climate change.
Realist said:
It's BS like this which makes rabid eco-terrorists start shaming regular citizens for their choice to drive, use old light bulbs, eat steaks, etc. They actually believe the "climate crisis" myth so strongly that now they'll be protesting against music streaming too. The liberals could now have a carbon tax on your Spotify account. Even witchcraft in medieval times was more realistic than Al Gore's debunked global warming science fiction. Sigh.
You have to laugh I suppose 
The rest of that article is semi-literate at best too. Let's hope the gravy trainers did a better job in their journal article.Anyway, all grist to the mill when it comes to the REF.
Several 'good news' climate politics items of potential interest have popped up recently:
1) Finland's Climate Sceptic Party Set For Election Breakthrough
The New York Times, 12 April 2019
2) Finland’s Populists Find Favour With Anti-Green Agenda
Financial Times, 11 April 2019
3) White House: Climate Science Review Panel Taking Shape
Scientific American , 12 April 2019
4) Trump Signs Order To Speed Up Oil And Gas Projects
Associated Press, 11 April 2019
1) Finland's Climate Sceptic Party Set For Election Breakthrough
The New York Times, 12 April 2019
2) Finland’s Populists Find Favour With Anti-Green Agenda
Financial Times, 11 April 2019
3) White House: Climate Science Review Panel Taking Shape
Scientific American , 12 April 2019
4) Trump Signs Order To Speed Up Oil And Gas Projects
Associated Press, 11 April 2019
Brexit: British Steel seeks £100m government loan to meet EU rules
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47921375
British Steel is seeking a £100m loan from the government in order to meet EU emission rules.
Previously, the company could have used EU-issued carbon credits to settle its 2018 pollution bill.
However, the steelmaker has been affected by a European Union decision to suspend UK firms' access to free carbon permits until a Brexit withdrawal deal is ratified..continues
This is what happens when you create an artificial market for something that is a natural product. Where's Basil Fawlty then?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47921375
British Steel is seeking a £100m loan from the government in order to meet EU emission rules.
Previously, the company could have used EU-issued carbon credits to settle its 2018 pollution bill.
However, the steelmaker has been affected by a European Union decision to suspend UK firms' access to free carbon permits until a Brexit withdrawal deal is ratified..continues
This is what happens when you create an artificial market for something that is a natural product. Where's Basil Fawlty then?
robinessex said:
Brexit: British Steel seeks £100m government loan to meet EU rules
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47921375
British Steel is seeking a £100m loan from the government in order to meet EU emission rules.
Previously, the company could have used EU-issued carbon credits to settle its 2018 pollution bill.
However, the steelmaker has been affected by a European Union decision to suspend UK firms' access to free carbon permits until a Brexit withdrawal deal is ratified..continues
This is what happens when you create an artificial market for something that is a natural product. Where's Basil Fawlty then?
Surely if the EU has suspended access to carbon permits we should suspended having to meet EU emissions rules? Only seems fair?https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47921375
British Steel is seeking a £100m loan from the government in order to meet EU emission rules.
Previously, the company could have used EU-issued carbon credits to settle its 2018 pollution bill.
However, the steelmaker has been affected by a European Union decision to suspend UK firms' access to free carbon permits until a Brexit withdrawal deal is ratified..continues
This is what happens when you create an artificial market for something that is a natural product. Where's Basil Fawlty then?
Corruption Of The US Temperature Record
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kUAtt2pXlc
Tony Heller
Published on Apr 10, 2019
In this video I explain the corruption of the US temperature record by NOAA and NASA - and show that their justifications for data tampering are not scientifically valid.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kUAtt2pXlc
Tony Heller
Published on Apr 10, 2019
In this video I explain the corruption of the US temperature record by NOAA and NASA - and show that their justifications for data tampering are not scientifically valid.
robinessex said:
Corruption Of The US Temperature Record
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kUAtt2pXlc
Tony Heller
Published on Apr 10, 2019
In this video I explain the corruption of the US temperature record by NOAA and NASA - and show that their justifications for data tampering are not scientifically valid.
It might not be corruption. They could just be incompetent.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kUAtt2pXlc
Tony Heller
Published on Apr 10, 2019
In this video I explain the corruption of the US temperature record by NOAA and NASA - and show that their justifications for data tampering are not scientifically valid.
One or the other.
robinessex said:
Corruption Of The US Temperature Record
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kUAtt2pXlc
Tony Heller
Published on Apr 10, 2019
In this video I explain the corruption of the US temperature record by NOAA and NASA - and show that their justifications for data tampering are not scientifically valid.
Why is he comparing 2 graphs with a completely different range of values on the y-axis side by side and not plotted on the same graph?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kUAtt2pXlc
Tony Heller
Published on Apr 10, 2019
In this video I explain the corruption of the US temperature record by NOAA and NASA - and show that their justifications for data tampering are not scientifically valid.
That just looks highly dubious and I'm surprised nobody in this thread has challenged it.
I assume Heller has excellent climatology credentials and has had many of his papers published & peer reviewed.
zygalski said:
robinessex said:
Corruption Of The US Temperature Record
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kUAtt2pXlc
Tony Heller
Published on Apr 10, 2019
In this video I explain the corruption of the US temperature record by NOAA and NASA - and show that their justifications for data tampering are not scientifically valid.
Why is he comparing 2 graphs with a completely different range of values on the y-axis side by side and not plotted on the same graph?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kUAtt2pXlc
Tony Heller
Published on Apr 10, 2019
In this video I explain the corruption of the US temperature record by NOAA and NASA - and show that their justifications for data tampering are not scientifically valid.
That just looks highly dubious and I'm surprised nobody in this thread has challenged it.
I assume Heller has excellent climatology credentials and has had many of his papers published & peer reviewed.
they should not hide behind the statement that they are scientists so are correct and everybody else is wrong, their job is with science to explain why it's wrong.
PRTVR said:
Science should be able to answer questions put to them, after all they are the ones with all the qualifications and resources,
they should not hide behind the statement that they are scientists so are correct and everybody else is wrong, their job is with science to explain why it's wrong.
Maybe the scientists are as baffled as I am as to why this dude's directly comparing two sets of data from graphs with completely different y-axis values?they should not hide behind the statement that they are scientists so are correct and everybody else is wrong, their job is with science to explain why it's wrong.
It's highly ironic, considering he's accusing the scientific establishment of data manipulation.
PRTVR said:
zygalski said:
robinessex said:
Corruption Of The US Temperature Record
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kUAtt2pXlc
Tony Heller
Published on Apr 10, 2019
In this video I explain the corruption of the US temperature record by NOAA and NASA - and show that their justifications for data tampering are not scientifically valid.
Why is he comparing 2 graphs with a completely different range of values on the y-axis side by side and not plotted on the same graph?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kUAtt2pXlc
Tony Heller
Published on Apr 10, 2019
In this video I explain the corruption of the US temperature record by NOAA and NASA - and show that their justifications for data tampering are not scientifically valid.
That just looks highly dubious and I'm surprised nobody in this thread has challenged it.
I assume Heller has excellent climatology credentials and has had many of his papers published & peer reviewed.
they should not hide behind the statement that they are scientists so are correct and everybody else is wrong, their job is with science to explain why it's wrong.
El stovey said:
PRTVR said:
zygalski said:
robinessex said:
Corruption Of The US Temperature Record
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kUAtt2pXlc
Tony Heller
Published on Apr 10, 2019
In this video I explain the corruption of the US temperature record by NOAA and NASA - and show that their justifications for data tampering are not scientifically valid.
Why is he comparing 2 graphs with a completely different range of values on the y-axis side by side and not plotted on the same graph?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kUAtt2pXlc
Tony Heller
Published on Apr 10, 2019
In this video I explain the corruption of the US temperature record by NOAA and NASA - and show that their justifications for data tampering are not scientifically valid.
That just looks highly dubious and I'm surprised nobody in this thread has challenged it.
I assume Heller has excellent climatology credentials and has had many of his papers published & peer reviewed.
they should not hide behind the statement that they are scientists so are correct and everybody else is wrong, their job is with science to explain why it's wrong.
Has this Falsification of the atmospheric CO2 greenhouse effect within the frame of physics from Cornell University website been posted before?
I only pop in here to have a laugh.
Atty's end is still nigh, then?
I was 'working' outside in the sun for the last hour, had to come in too bloody windy and cold despite good ol' Met Office saying it's warm - 12 degrees warm? Made a nice hot cuppa and flicked on the news and caught some silly bds who don't seem to have any work (in the real sense of the word) blocking roads and carrying trees across London bridge. Some had what looked like a Xmas tree! (appropriate I suppose, for those who have lost the plot.)
Then I spotted this guy. He's allegedly a scientist (out of work one?) and...
he's 'Terrified!'
Is anyone missing on this thread today?
Atty's end is still nigh, then?
I was 'working' outside in the sun for the last hour, had to come in too bloody windy and cold despite good ol' Met Office saying it's warm - 12 degrees warm? Made a nice hot cuppa and flicked on the news and caught some silly b
ds who don't seem to have any work (in the real sense of the word) blocking roads and carrying trees across London bridge. Some had what looked like a Xmas tree! (appropriate I suppose, for those who have lost the plot.)Then I spotted this guy. He's allegedly a scientist (out of work one?) and...
he's 'Terrified!'
Is anyone missing on this thread today?
motco said:
Has this Falsification of the atmospheric CO2 greenhouse effect within the frame of physics from Cornell University website been posted before?
i think that was roundly dismissed across the spectrum back in the day, both sides of the debate were fairly critical of it. i could dig out some links if you are interested.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff