Climate change - the POLITICAL debate. (Vol 5)
Discussion
Jasandjules said:
LoonyTunes said:
Just to check, are saying that they are ALL lying? And the scientific establishment are in on it?
Not going to answer then? Probably wise.Back to the drawing board for the tens of thousands of Scientics and all of the Institutions they work for.
gadgetmac said:
Yeah, you’ve stumped him and the rest of us with that one whilst simultaneously bringing down the whole precarious house of cards that AGW is built on.
Back to the drawing board for the tens of thousands of Scientics and all of the Institutions they work for.
Realistically you are simply showing your sub optimal IQ level and inability to follow logical conclusions with such comments.Back to the drawing board for the tens of thousands of Scientics and all of the Institutions they work for.
Jasandjules said:
gadgetmac said:
Yeah, you’ve stumped him and the rest of us with that one whilst simultaneously bringing down the whole precarious house of cards that AGW is built on.
Back to the drawing board for the tens of thousands of Scientics and all of the Institutions they work for.
Realistically you are simply showing your sub optimal IQ level and inability to follow logical conclusions with such comments.Back to the drawing board for the tens of thousands of Scientics and all of the Institutions they work for.
Jasandjules said:
gadgetmac said:
Yeah, you’ve stumped him and the rest of us with that one whilst simultaneously bringing down the whole precarious house of cards that AGW is built on.
Back to the drawing board for the tens of thousands of Scientics and all of the Institutions they work for.
Realistically you are simply showing your sub optimal IQ level and inability to follow logical conclusions with such comments.Back to the drawing board for the tens of thousands of Scientics and all of the Institutions they work for.
If it’s do I believe everything the government tell me? Then the answer is no.
The point put to you was for any deception to work, most if not all governments and scientific bodies and media etc would all have to be in on this lie. Which I think we can all agree is unlikely isn’t it?
That’s why your question was stupid.
El stovey said:
Jasandjules said:
gadgetmac said:
Yeah, you’ve stumped him and the rest of us with that one whilst simultaneously bringing down the whole precarious house of cards that AGW is built on.
Back to the drawing board for the tens of thousands of Scientics and all of the Institutions they work for.
Realistically you are simply showing your sub optimal IQ level and inability to follow logical conclusions with such comments.Back to the drawing board for the tens of thousands of Scientics and all of the Institutions they work for.
If it’s do I believe everything the government tell me? Then the answer is no.
The point put to you was for any deception to work, most if not all governments and scientific bodies and media etc would all have to be in on this lie. Which I think we can all agree is unlikely isn’t it?
That’s why your question was stupid.
He must have skipped breakfast this morning.
El stovey said:
The point put to you was for any deception to work, most if not all governments and scientific bodies and media etc would all have to be in on this lie. Which I think we can all agree is unlikely isn’t it?
So, whilst you accept (rightly of course) that a Govt will lie not least in order to control, you consider that scientific bodies will never lie? And the press? That is your logical conclusion? I see.Jasandjules said:
So, whilst you accept (rightly of course) that a Govt will lie not least in order to control, you consider that scientific bodies will never lie? And the press? That is your logical conclusion? I see.
No again.The logical conclusion is that for the kind of mass deception you seem to be hinting at to succeed and a false scientific consensus to exist. All the scientific bodies and governments and media and scientists would have to be in on it.
This would clearly be conspiracy theory madness.
El stovey said:
The logical conclusion is that for the kind of mass deception you seem to be hinting at to succeed and a false scientific consensus to exist. All the scientific bodies and governments and media and scientists would have to be in on it.
This would clearly be conspiracy theory madness.
And the sun revolves around the earth, correct? Yes or No.This would clearly be conspiracy theory madness.
Jasandjules said:
El stovey said:
The logical conclusion is that for the kind of mass deception you seem to be hinting at to succeed and a false scientific consensus to exist. All the scientific bodies and governments and media and scientists would have to be in on it.
This would clearly be conspiracy theory madness.
And the sun revolves around the earth, correct? Yes or No.This would clearly be conspiracy theory madness.
gadgetmac said:
LoonyTunes said:
gadgetmac said:
Strawman
Answer his question.
He needs to play this game. Its the only one left. Argue in the margins.Answer his question.
Does he think that you have to read every statement or paper published from every Government or Scientist or Science Institute or Science dept in every University?
Does he expect every single one to agree with every other one on every single thing?
The fact is that they do all appear to agree on base assumption that AGW is a fact.
It’s a question borne of desperation.
So you claim something without verifying it is true? Are you seriously that guillble? That’s just intellectually lazy and indeed dangerous. You also make some interesting observations about the logical issues with the concept of a political consensus masquerading as a scientific one; you believe it to be one thing when the reality suggests otherwise.
I really do want to know whether you have even bothered to check the Academie des Science position on the pause that you deny exists. It is absolutely germane to this discussion since 1. You are misrepresenting their position and 2. using your argument who would you rather believe, Loony Tunes or a venerable institution on the matter whether the pause did or didn’t happen.
I hesitate to use the word troll, but I do think you are intellectually lazy, ovine, and guileless.
El stovey said:
Jasandjules said:
So, whilst you accept (rightly of course) that a Govt will lie not least in order to control, you consider that scientific bodies will never lie? And the press? That is your logical conclusion? I see.
No again.The logical conclusion is that for the kind of mass deception you seem to be hinting at to succeed and a false scientific consensus to exist. All the scientific bodies and governments and media and scientists would have to be in on it.
This would clearly be conspiracy theory madness.
And do you know how they try to insert themselves into normal discourse?
They ask if you think Governments ever lie?
El stovey said:
That’s astonishing.
Oh you didn't know about the Sun issue? I suppose a lack of knowledge is unfortunate but now you know more.Whilst I am loathe to refer to Wiki, this situation renders it the easiest option
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_Galilei
Jasandjules said:
El stovey said:
That’s astonishing.
Oh you didn't know about the Sun issue? I suppose a lack of knowledge is unfortunate but now you know more.Whilst I am loathe to refer to Wiki, this situation renders it the easiest option
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_Galilei
Unlike you apparently, we all know about Galileo. In fact we’re hoping Turbobloke can repeat the awesomeness of his historic scientific discovery but alas he seems unwilling to share his data and findings with the scientific community and therefore is unlikely to change the scientific consensus.
Hopes now lie with dickymint and wc98 and rob from Essex but despite having no scientific credentials whatsoever and actually no jobs, they too seem unwilling to publish their historic discovery and change the scientific consensus.
As an aside, perhaps if you check out the dates that Galileo lived and other things (like the facts) that were going on at the time and then ask yourself if events 500 years ago are really a good example to fuel your apparent belief of a global conspiracy involving most governments and scientific institutions and scientists and the media in today’s technologically advanced and connected world.
Edited by anonymous-user on Sunday 16th September 20:41
El stovey said:
LoonyTunes said:
Oh f
k, he's serious... 
https://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/09/science/09tier....
From The NY Times....
“With skeptical scientists ostracized, the public debate and research agenda became dominated by the fat-is-bad school. Later the National Institutes of Health would hold a “consensus conference” that concluded there was “no doubt” that low-fat diets “will afford significant protection against coronary heart disease” for every American over the age of 2.”
How apt...
“the low-fat recommendations were endorsed by 92 percent of “the world’s leading doctors.”
Settled science. What a crock of shi t.
Edited by Kawasicki on Sunday 16th September 21:32
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