Climate change - the POLITICAL debate. (Vol 5)
Discussion
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/op-eds/...
Computer models of the climate are at the heart of calls to ban the cheap, reliable energy that powers our thriving economy and promotes healthier, longer lives. For decades, these models have projected dramatic warming from small, fossil-fueled increases in atmospheric concentrations of carbon dioxide, with catastrophic consequences.
Yet, the real-world data aren’t cooperating. They show only slight warming, mostly at night and in winter. According to the United Nations' Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, there has been no systematic increase in the frequency of extreme weather events, and the ongoing rise in sea level that began with the end of the ice age continues with no great increase in magnitude. The constancy of land-based records is obvious in data from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.
Should we trust these computer models of doom? Let’s find out by comparing the actual temperatures since 1979 with what the 32 families of climate models used in the latest U.N. report on climate science predicted they would b
Computer models of the climate are at the heart of calls to ban the cheap, reliable energy that powers our thriving economy and promotes healthier, longer lives. For decades, these models have projected dramatic warming from small, fossil-fueled increases in atmospheric concentrations of carbon dioxide, with catastrophic consequences.
Yet, the real-world data aren’t cooperating. They show only slight warming, mostly at night and in winter. According to the United Nations' Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, there has been no systematic increase in the frequency of extreme weather events, and the ongoing rise in sea level that began with the end of the ice age continues with no great increase in magnitude. The constancy of land-based records is obvious in data from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.
Should we trust these computer models of doom? Let’s find out by comparing the actual temperatures since 1979 with what the 32 families of climate models used in the latest U.N. report on climate science predicted they would b
Oh dear poor old Michael Mann
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2019/08/mic...
MICHAEL MANN REFUSES TO PRODUCE DATA, LOSES CASE
Some years ago, Dr. Tim Ball wrote that climate scientist Michael Mann “belongs in the state pen, not Penn State.” At issue was Mann’s famous “hockey stick” graph that purported to show a sudden and unprecedented 20th century warming trend. The hockey stick featured prominently in the IPCC’s Third Assessment Report (2001), but has since been shown to be wrong. The question, in my view, is whether it was an innocent mistake or deliberate fraud on Mann’s part. (Mann, I believe, continues to assert the accuracy of his debunked graph.) Mann sued Ball for libel in 2011. Principia Scientific now reports that the court in British Columbia has dismissed Mann’s lawsuit with prejudice, and assessed costs against him.
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2019/08/mic...
MICHAEL MANN REFUSES TO PRODUCE DATA, LOSES CASE
Some years ago, Dr. Tim Ball wrote that climate scientist Michael Mann “belongs in the state pen, not Penn State.” At issue was Mann’s famous “hockey stick” graph that purported to show a sudden and unprecedented 20th century warming trend. The hockey stick featured prominently in the IPCC’s Third Assessment Report (2001), but has since been shown to be wrong. The question, in my view, is whether it was an innocent mistake or deliberate fraud on Mann’s part. (Mann, I believe, continues to assert the accuracy of his debunked graph.) Mann sued Ball for libel in 2011. Principia Scientific now reports that the court in British Columbia has dismissed Mann’s lawsuit with prejudice, and assessed costs against him.
wc98 said:
zygalski said:
...says right wing blog.
:yawn:
is it true or not ?:yawn:
Question 1: Assess the validity of the information presented within the article show.
Answer: It's from a conservative/ right wing news outlet so I don't need to.
Correct full marks.
Do people not see that it's a good thing to have range of news publication with different editorial stances? With it you get a far better idea what is actually going on.
If you surround yourself in a echo chamber of news all coming from people who all want to you to see what they want you to see and not see other things. Its not a good thing.
Not-The-Messiah said:
wc98 said:
zygalski said:
...says right wing blog.
:yawn:
is it true or not ?:yawn:
Question 1: Assess the validity of the information presented within the article show.
Answer: It's from a conservative/ right wing news outlet so I don't need to.
Correct full marks.
Do people not see that it's a good thing to have range of news publication with different editorial stances? With it you get a far better idea what is actually going on.
If you surround yourself in a echo chamber of news all coming from people who all want to you to see what they want you to see and not see other things. Its not a good thing.
That, or these ad hommers know exactly what they're doing but keep on trolling the thread anyway.
As anyone with an ounce of sense and ten seconds to spare will know, this news about Mann behaving badly and refusing to disclose data, losing the Court case and having to put his hand in his pocket are accurate and can be found in other locations. The original news came from the plaintiff as the primary source who chose to release it initially via the science blog WUWT. Quite possibly that news is not given a suitably prominent position by left-field outlets such as the BBC or The Guardian, what a shocker that would be, but a few mnoments spent looking elsewhere is all that's needed to verify the outcome of the case.
zygalski said:
Well it'd no doubt help your cause if big oil didn't support the IPCC on AGW.
What turning of the tide do you mean? Have a few more bloggers appeared on WUWT?
I know you don't like questions as you never answer, but let's try. Why do you suppose 'big oil' supports the IPCC on AGW?What turning of the tide do you mean? Have a few more bloggers appeared on WUWT?
Your words, take your time and add something worth while to the thread rather than your repetetive, vacuous sniping with absolutely zero content...
jshell said:
...repetetive, vacuous sniping with absolutely zero content...
turbobloke said:
..These ad hommers know exactly what they're doing but keep on trolling the thread anyway.
I'll just leave these here for everyone to make their own minds up on who's relying on the personal attacks.zygalski said:
Well it'd no doubt help your cause if big oil didn't support the IPCC on AGW.
What turning of the tide do you mean? Have a few more bloggers appeared on WUWT?
i would say in general more people are becoming sceptical. the incessant barrage of scary "climate news" is having the opposite effect of that intended, as more people actually start looking at the evidence behind the claims when previously climacatastrophe didn't even register in their thoughts.What turning of the tide do you mean? Have a few more bloggers appeared on WUWT?
all imo of course,but i certainly hear the phrase "did you hear the pish the bbc came out with last night" more and more these days.
Wayoftheflower said:
jshell said:
...repetetive, vacuous sniping with absolutely zero content...
I'll just leave these here for everyone to make their own minds up on who's relying on the personal attacks.Nice that he needs another member of the faithful to stick up for him. Good drone, good drone!
wc98 said:
zygalski said:
Well it'd no doubt help your cause if big oil didn't support the IPCC on AGW.
What turning of the tide do you mean? Have a few more bloggers appeared on WUWT?
i would say in general more people are becoming sceptical. the incessant barrage of scary "climate news" is having the opposite effect of that intended, as more people actually start looking at the evidence behind the claims when previously climacatastrophe didn't even register in their thoughts.What turning of the tide do you mean? Have a few more bloggers appeared on WUWT?
all imo of course,but i certainly hear the phrase "did you hear the pish the bbc came out with last night" more and more these days.
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