Climate change - the POLITICAL debate. (Vol 5)
Discussion
hidetheelephants said:
robinessex said:
Anna Taylor, 18, a co-founder of UK Student Climate Network said it was "very easy" to get people to show up.......
... when it's a nice warm sunny day. Try it on a drizzly day in October when the temperature doesn't make it over 10C.I hope the students walked to their demonstrations and are prepared to repay the cost of school's wasted overheads for the lost day.
On the other hand for any students studying politics I suppose this could be considered a s field trip. So they could be let off as long as they write an essay and produce some useful research and insights from the day. Using their own time and resources of course.
booboise blueboys said:
On the contrary, it's not anti capitalist. If the aim is more local, renewable energy under our control vs sending billions of pounds to Russia and the Middle East for oil then in effect it's more nationalistic and just as capitalist. Ignore the bearded weirdos, the outcome of going green is not what they expect.
If the CC theory is correct, then yes over the long run it would probably become cooler. If not then at least as a country we've got control over our own energy supply.
Do you have an economic model of how this might work based on the UK's resources? Especially in respect of your final sentence.If the CC theory is correct, then yes over the long run it would probably become cooler. If not then at least as a country we've got control over our own energy supply.
Edited by booboise blueboys on Friday 20th September 15:20
booboise blueboys said:
If the CC theory is correct, then yes over the long run it would probably become cooler. If not then at least as a country we've got control over our own energy supply.
If CC theory is correct? We're told the science is settled so that's off-message. Anyway back to manmadeup CC for which there's no credible empirical evidence; as long as carbon dioxide levels are increasing then it won't get cooler, this is CC theory as opposed to gobbledigook where cooling is the new warming with more snow less snow more hurricanes fewer hurricanes and everything is one thing or the other and indeed both things so it's all scary. With all the fanfares and white elephants everywhere, you'd think carbon dioxide levels would be falling given the amount taxed and spent so far (with a lot more to come).
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-469...
http://www.ghgonline.org/images/ipcc5b.gif
O/T
One thing isn't quite right, given the political climate-related path is towards decarbonisation (UK and EU) with renewables replacing fossil fuels alongside insufficient UK nukes, the weather will have control over our energy supply one way or another, that's the problem.
turbobloke said:
Self-defeating climate politik? Don't have kids, fewer kids to weaponise.
https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/09/...
CC 'problem' solved then.https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/09/...
Are you suffering from climate change anxiety?
https://www.bbc.com/ideas/videos/are-you-suffering...
Almost unbelievable rubbish, talking complete b
ks of course. Christ knows how these people cope with everyday traumas in life.
https://www.bbc.com/ideas/videos/are-you-suffering...
Almost unbelievable rubbish, talking complete b
ks of course. Christ knows how these people cope with everyday traumas in life.The petrol head parents response to all the pupils wanting to take more care of the the Planet has to be this:
This year, we have all been humbled and awed by the leadership our young people have shown in putting the planet first. Let’s show that we’ve got the message loud and clear by the small gesture of #ClimateXmas – it’s the least we can do, because the planet is forever, not just for Christmas.
To join in #ClimateXmas is fun, easy, and will bring the family together, all it takes is a few simple commitments.
• The obvious one – don’t buy the kids anything! How insulting to demean their campaigning with electronic goods shipped half way round the world. Consumerism is killing the planet! Instead, make them something, perhaps with locally gathered materials or perhaps something they can carry with them forever like a song, poem or game.
• Don’t go anywhere unless you can walk or cycle! The carbon emissions of mechanised transport are simply unsustainable, and there is only enough carbon neutral energy to provide for essential journeys. Instead, spend quality time at home with your loved ones.
• Turn off those screens! It’s not just the electricity your TV or Xbox or phone charger is using, though that’s bad enough, but the carbon footprint of online services is now as large as that of all the fuel burnt by the aviation industry! Your kids will thank you for the opportunity of a holiday from social media, Fortnite, YouTube, Netflix, Spotify and all of the other connected carbon-hogs which invade their lives.
• Don’t waste the daylight! Avoid using electric lights by getting everyone to bed early and up first thing. Everyone will feel better for it, and in any case it’s best to be in bed in the evenings when the temperature drops because…
• Turn down the thermostat! Most houses are kept far warmer than necessary. 16C is perfectly adequate if you wear a jumper, and it will help everybody to think about those who are more vulnerable to climate change.
• Dump the turkey! In fact, dump all the meat. Greenhouse gas emissions from meat cannot be sustained. Dump most of the dairy too, if you can’t quite go fully vegan, and consider whether feasting is appropriate at all. Perhaps have an Xmas day fast to think about the people who will starve if climate change is not stopped.
Give them a #ClimateXmas to remember when they're campaigning next year – they’ll thank you for the opportunity to tell everyone that they’ve tried the #NetZero2025 lifestyle and had the best Xmas ever doing it!
This year, we have all been humbled and awed by the leadership our young people have shown in putting the planet first. Let’s show that we’ve got the message loud and clear by the small gesture of #ClimateXmas – it’s the least we can do, because the planet is forever, not just for Christmas.
To join in #ClimateXmas is fun, easy, and will bring the family together, all it takes is a few simple commitments.
• The obvious one – don’t buy the kids anything! How insulting to demean their campaigning with electronic goods shipped half way round the world. Consumerism is killing the planet! Instead, make them something, perhaps with locally gathered materials or perhaps something they can carry with them forever like a song, poem or game.
• Don’t go anywhere unless you can walk or cycle! The carbon emissions of mechanised transport are simply unsustainable, and there is only enough carbon neutral energy to provide for essential journeys. Instead, spend quality time at home with your loved ones.
• Turn off those screens! It’s not just the electricity your TV or Xbox or phone charger is using, though that’s bad enough, but the carbon footprint of online services is now as large as that of all the fuel burnt by the aviation industry! Your kids will thank you for the opportunity of a holiday from social media, Fortnite, YouTube, Netflix, Spotify and all of the other connected carbon-hogs which invade their lives.
• Don’t waste the daylight! Avoid using electric lights by getting everyone to bed early and up first thing. Everyone will feel better for it, and in any case it’s best to be in bed in the evenings when the temperature drops because…
• Turn down the thermostat! Most houses are kept far warmer than necessary. 16C is perfectly adequate if you wear a jumper, and it will help everybody to think about those who are more vulnerable to climate change.
• Dump the turkey! In fact, dump all the meat. Greenhouse gas emissions from meat cannot be sustained. Dump most of the dairy too, if you can’t quite go fully vegan, and consider whether feasting is appropriate at all. Perhaps have an Xmas day fast to think about the people who will starve if climate change is not stopped.
Give them a #ClimateXmas to remember when they're campaigning next year – they’ll thank you for the opportunity to tell everyone that they’ve tried the #NetZero2025 lifestyle and had the best Xmas ever doing it!
phumy said:
• Don’t go anywhere unless you can walk or cycle! The carbon emissions of mechanised transport are simply unsustainable, and there is only enough carbon neutral energy to provide for essential journeys. Instead, spend quality time at home with your loved ones.
Walking and cycling sort of OK but one would have some concerns.Most shoes these days are imported from far flung places and made with Eco unfriendly leather or some form of forest murdering rubber with various plastics required along the way. Shoes should only be made from whatever materials can be sourced locally.
Similarly bicycles are mostly made in far flung parts of the world and, like shoes, transported at great Eco cost half way around the world.
One might make an argument for the relatively modern (industrial era) invention we call the bicycle but not the recent fad for electrified versions and their terrible Eco tyreprint. I think the original sit on device without pedals might be acceptable providing it could be made without resorting to non-local materials and labour. One might have concerns about the wear rate of shoes however. It would probably need to be propelled by shoeless feet to avoid waste.
Now Iknow there are very few people on the overdeveloped world who live shoeless lives but those who do say it did not take long for their feet to adapt to the change and that they generally enjoy better foot health having converted. In the so called undeveloped world the shoeless lifestyle choice seems to be effective so there is probably every reason to expect it could also work in the well paved (for now) developed world as well.
For those converting to an Eco friendly shoeless existence some bright green entrepreneur could introduce a "sedan" service to enable them to be carried around at during the more challenging parts of the foot retraining process. Carrying a sedan chair with a passenger would be a great opportunity for people to find healthy, outdoor jobs that would most likely men they would avoid the obesity crisis and the cost of unused gym membership.
Just a few examples of the fantastic opportunities young people seem to be chasing.
Edited by LongQ on Saturday 21st September 11:47
LongQ said:
Walking and cycling sort of OK but one woold have some concerns.
Most shoes these days are imported from far flung places and made with Eco unfriendly leather or some form of forest murdering rubber with various plastics required along the way. Shoes should only be made from whatever materials can be sourced locally.
Similarly bicycles are mostly made in far flung parts of the world and, like shoes, transported at great Eco cost half way around the world.
One might make an argument for the relatively modern (industrial era) invention we call the bicycle but not the recent fad for electrified versions and their terrible Eco tyreprint. I think the original sit on device without pedals might be acceptable providing it could be made without resorting to non-local materials and labour. One might have concerns about the wear rate of shoes however. It would probably need to be propelled by shoeless feet to avoid waste.
Now Iknow there are very few people on the overdeveloped world who live shoeless lives but those who do say it did not take long for their feet to adapt to the change and that they generally enjoy better foot health having converted. In the so called undeveloped world the shoeless lifestyle choice seems to be effective so there is probably every reason to expect it could also work in the well paved (for now) developed world as well.
For those converting to an Eco friendly shoeless existence some bright green entrepreneur could introduce a "sedan" service to enable them to be carried around at during the more challenging parts of the foot retraining process. Carrying a sedan chair with a passenger would be a great opportunity for people to find healthy, outdoor jobs that would most likely men they would avoid the obesity crisis and the cost of unused gym membership.
Just a few examples of the fantastic opportunities young people seem to be chasing.
I love walking around bare foot or with sandals and no socks Most shoes these days are imported from far flung places and made with Eco unfriendly leather or some form of forest murdering rubber with various plastics required along the way. Shoes should only be made from whatever materials can be sourced locally.
Similarly bicycles are mostly made in far flung parts of the world and, like shoes, transported at great Eco cost half way around the world.
One might make an argument for the relatively modern (industrial era) invention we call the bicycle but not the recent fad for electrified versions and their terrible Eco tyreprint. I think the original sit on device without pedals might be acceptable providing it could be made without resorting to non-local materials and labour. One might have concerns about the wear rate of shoes however. It would probably need to be propelled by shoeless feet to avoid waste.
Now Iknow there are very few people on the overdeveloped world who live shoeless lives but those who do say it did not take long for their feet to adapt to the change and that they generally enjoy better foot health having converted. In the so called undeveloped world the shoeless lifestyle choice seems to be effective so there is probably every reason to expect it could also work in the well paved (for now) developed world as well.
For those converting to an Eco friendly shoeless existence some bright green entrepreneur could introduce a "sedan" service to enable them to be carried around at during the more challenging parts of the foot retraining process. Carrying a sedan chair with a passenger would be a great opportunity for people to find healthy, outdoor jobs that would most likely men they would avoid the obesity crisis and the cost of unused gym membership.
Just a few examples of the fantastic opportunities young people seem to be chasing.
During our brief summer I do and certainly when in warmer climes
But for the love of god not in January in the coldest wettest wildest part of British isles ... Noooo
Earthdweller said:
LongQ said:
Walking and cycling sort of OK but one woold have some concerns.
Most shoes these days are imported from far flung places and made with Eco unfriendly leather or some form of forest murdering rubber with various plastics required along the way. Shoes should only be made from whatever materials can be sourced locally.
Similarly bicycles are mostly made in far flung parts of the world and, like shoes, transported at great Eco cost half way around the world.
One might make an argument for the relatively modern (industrial era) invention we call the bicycle but not the recent fad for electrified versions and their terrible Eco tyreprint. I think the original sit on device without pedals might be acceptable providing it could be made without resorting to non-local materials and labour. One might have concerns about the wear rate of shoes however. It would probably need to be propelled by shoeless feet to avoid waste.
Now Iknow there are very few people on the overdeveloped world who live shoeless lives but those who do say it did not take long for their feet to adapt to the change and that they generally enjoy better foot health having converted. In the so called undeveloped world the shoeless lifestyle choice seems to be effective so there is probably every reason to expect it could also work in the well paved (for now) developed world as well.
For those converting to an Eco friendly shoeless existence some bright green entrepreneur could introduce a "sedan" service to enable them to be carried around at during the more challenging parts of the foot retraining process. Carrying a sedan chair with a passenger would be a great opportunity for people to find healthy, outdoor jobs that would most likely men they would avoid the obesity crisis and the cost of unused gym membership.
Just a few examples of the fantastic opportunities young people seem to be chasing.
I love walking around bare foot or with sandals and no socks Most shoes these days are imported from far flung places and made with Eco unfriendly leather or some form of forest murdering rubber with various plastics required along the way. Shoes should only be made from whatever materials can be sourced locally.
Similarly bicycles are mostly made in far flung parts of the world and, like shoes, transported at great Eco cost half way around the world.
One might make an argument for the relatively modern (industrial era) invention we call the bicycle but not the recent fad for electrified versions and their terrible Eco tyreprint. I think the original sit on device without pedals might be acceptable providing it could be made without resorting to non-local materials and labour. One might have concerns about the wear rate of shoes however. It would probably need to be propelled by shoeless feet to avoid waste.
Now Iknow there are very few people on the overdeveloped world who live shoeless lives but those who do say it did not take long for their feet to adapt to the change and that they generally enjoy better foot health having converted. In the so called undeveloped world the shoeless lifestyle choice seems to be effective so there is probably every reason to expect it could also work in the well paved (for now) developed world as well.
For those converting to an Eco friendly shoeless existence some bright green entrepreneur could introduce a "sedan" service to enable them to be carried around at during the more challenging parts of the foot retraining process. Carrying a sedan chair with a passenger would be a great opportunity for people to find healthy, outdoor jobs that would most likely men they would avoid the obesity crisis and the cost of unused gym membership.
Just a few examples of the fantastic opportunities young people seem to be chasing.
During our brief summer I do and certainly when in warmer climes
But for the love of god not in January in the coldest wettest wildest part of British isles ... Noooo
He does (or certainly used to) own a VW camper as well, which he apparently drove barefoot. It seems that once one's feet have adapted after a few weeks without shoes one can rely on them for anything - although I would guess that punctures from discarded modern waste such as shards of glass might be challenging for them.
30 Year Anniversary of the UN 1989 “10 years to save the world” Climate Warning
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/06/30/30-year-ann...
U.N. Predicts Disaster if Global Warming Not Checked
PETER JAMES SPIELMANN June 30, 1989
"UNITED NATIONS (AP) _ A senior U.N. environmental official says entire nations could be wiped off the face of the Earth by rising sea levels if the global warming trend is not reversed by the year 2000.
Coastal flooding and crop failures would create an exodus of ″eco- refugees,′ ′ threatening political chaos, said Noel Brown, director of the New York office of the U.N. Environment Program, or UNEP.
He said governments have a 10-year window of opportunity to solve the greenhouse effect before it goes beyond human control.
As the warming melts polar icecaps, ocean levels will rise by up to three feet, enough to cover the Maldives and other flat island nations, Brown told The Associated Press in an interview on Wednesday.
Coastal regions will be inundated; one-sixth of Bangladesh could be flooded, displacing a fourth of its 90 million people. A fifth of Egypt’s arable land in the Nile Delta would be flooded, cutting off its food supply, according to a joint UNEP and U.S. Environmental Protection Agency study.
″Ecological refugees will become a major concern, and what’s worse is you may find that people can move to drier ground, but the soils and the natural resources may not support life. Africa doesn’t have to worry about land, but would you want to live in the Sahara?″ he said."
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/06/30/30-year-ann...
U.N. Predicts Disaster if Global Warming Not Checked
PETER JAMES SPIELMANN June 30, 1989
"UNITED NATIONS (AP) _ A senior U.N. environmental official says entire nations could be wiped off the face of the Earth by rising sea levels if the global warming trend is not reversed by the year 2000.
Coastal flooding and crop failures would create an exodus of ″eco- refugees,′ ′ threatening political chaos, said Noel Brown, director of the New York office of the U.N. Environment Program, or UNEP.
He said governments have a 10-year window of opportunity to solve the greenhouse effect before it goes beyond human control.
As the warming melts polar icecaps, ocean levels will rise by up to three feet, enough to cover the Maldives and other flat island nations, Brown told The Associated Press in an interview on Wednesday.
Coastal regions will be inundated; one-sixth of Bangladesh could be flooded, displacing a fourth of its 90 million people. A fifth of Egypt’s arable land in the Nile Delta would be flooded, cutting off its food supply, according to a joint UNEP and U.S. Environmental Protection Agency study.
″Ecological refugees will become a major concern, and what’s worse is you may find that people can move to drier ground, but the soils and the natural resources may not support life. Africa doesn’t have to worry about land, but would you want to live in the Sahara?″ he said."
robinessex said:
30 Year Anniversary of the UN 1989 “10 years to save the world” Climate Warning
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/06/30/30-year-ann...
U.N. Predicts Disaster if Global Warming Not Checked
PETER JAMES SPIELMANN June 30, 1989
"UNITED NATIONS (AP) _ A senior U.N. environmental official says entire nations could be wiped off the face of the Earth by rising sea levels if the global warming trend is not reversed by the year 2000.
Coastal flooding and crop failures would create an exodus of ?eco- refugees,? ? threatening political chaos, said Noel Brown, director of the New York office of the U.N. Environment Program, or UNEP.
He said governments have a 10-year window of opportunity to solve the greenhouse effect before it goes beyond human control.
As the warming melts polar icecaps, ocean levels will rise by up to three feet, enough to cover the Maldives and other flat island nations, Brown told The Associated Press in an interview on Wednesday.
Coastal regions will be inundated; one-sixth of Bangladesh could be flooded, displacing a fourth of its 90 million people. A fifth of Egypt’s arable land in the Nile Delta would be flooded, cutting off its food supply, according to a joint UNEP and U.S. Environmental Protection Agency study.
?Ecological refugees will become a major concern, and what’s worse is you may find that people can move to drier ground, but the soils and the natural resources may not support life. Africa doesn’t have to worry about land, but would you want to live in the Sahara?? he said."
There’s certainly a whiff of little red riding hood about the continued claims of doom https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/06/30/30-year-ann...
U.N. Predicts Disaster if Global Warming Not Checked
PETER JAMES SPIELMANN June 30, 1989
"UNITED NATIONS (AP) _ A senior U.N. environmental official says entire nations could be wiped off the face of the Earth by rising sea levels if the global warming trend is not reversed by the year 2000.
Coastal flooding and crop failures would create an exodus of ?eco- refugees,? ? threatening political chaos, said Noel Brown, director of the New York office of the U.N. Environment Program, or UNEP.
He said governments have a 10-year window of opportunity to solve the greenhouse effect before it goes beyond human control.
As the warming melts polar icecaps, ocean levels will rise by up to three feet, enough to cover the Maldives and other flat island nations, Brown told The Associated Press in an interview on Wednesday.
Coastal regions will be inundated; one-sixth of Bangladesh could be flooded, displacing a fourth of its 90 million people. A fifth of Egypt’s arable land in the Nile Delta would be flooded, cutting off its food supply, according to a joint UNEP and U.S. Environmental Protection Agency study.
?Ecological refugees will become a major concern, and what’s worse is you may find that people can move to drier ground, but the soils and the natural resources may not support life. Africa doesn’t have to worry about land, but would you want to live in the Sahara?? he said."
robinessex said:
30 Year Anniversary of the UN 1989 “10 years to save the world” Climate Warning
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/06/30/30-year-ann...
U.N. Predicts Disaster if Global Warming Not Checked
PETER JAMES SPIELMANN June 30, 1989
"UNITED NATIONS (AP) _ A senior U.N. environmental official says entire nations could be wiped off the face of the Earth by rising sea levels if the global warming trend is not reversed by the year 2000.
Coastal flooding and crop failures would create an exodus of ?eco- refugees,? ? threatening political chaos, said Noel Brown, director of the New York office of the U.N. Environment Program, or UNEP.
He said governments have a 10-year window of opportunity to solve the greenhouse effect before it goes beyond human control.
As the warming melts polar icecaps, ocean levels will rise by up to three feet, enough to cover the Maldives and other flat island nations, Brown told The Associated Press in an interview on Wednesday.
Coastal regions will be inundated; one-sixth of Bangladesh could be flooded, displacing a fourth of its 90 million people. A fifth of Egypt’s arable land in the Nile Delta would be flooded, cutting off its food supply, according to a joint UNEP and U.S. Environmental Protection Agency study.
?Ecological refugees will become a major concern, and what’s worse is you may find that people can move to drier ground, but the soils and the natural resources may not support life. Africa doesn’t have to worry about land, but would you want to live in the Sahara?? he said."
When examining any of the inevitable and risible failures of agw junkscience predictions, this is the unmistakable whiff from the carp information pollution in such emissions.https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/06/30/30-year-ann...
U.N. Predicts Disaster if Global Warming Not Checked
PETER JAMES SPIELMANN June 30, 1989
"UNITED NATIONS (AP) _ A senior U.N. environmental official says entire nations could be wiped off the face of the Earth by rising sea levels if the global warming trend is not reversed by the year 2000.
Coastal flooding and crop failures would create an exodus of ?eco- refugees,? ? threatening political chaos, said Noel Brown, director of the New York office of the U.N. Environment Program, or UNEP.
He said governments have a 10-year window of opportunity to solve the greenhouse effect before it goes beyond human control.
As the warming melts polar icecaps, ocean levels will rise by up to three feet, enough to cover the Maldives and other flat island nations, Brown told The Associated Press in an interview on Wednesday.
Coastal regions will be inundated; one-sixth of Bangladesh could be flooded, displacing a fourth of its 90 million people. A fifth of Egypt’s arable land in the Nile Delta would be flooded, cutting off its food supply, according to a joint UNEP and U.S. Environmental Protection Agency study.
?Ecological refugees will become a major concern, and what’s worse is you may find that people can move to drier ground, but the soils and the natural resources may not support life. Africa doesn’t have to worry about land, but would you want to live in the Sahara?? he said."
Climate politics breaking news...UN gets trumped.
https://nypost.com/2019/09/21/trump-will-steal-un-...
Politicised Climate Claptrap Has Reached Medieval Witchcraft Level
https://dailycaller.com/2019/09/21/medieval-witchc...
https://dailycaller.com/2019/09/21/medieval-witchc...
turbobloke said:
Politicised Climate Claptrap Has Reached Medieval Witchcraft Level
https://dailycaller.com/2019/09/21/medieval-witchc...
Local news yesterday interviewed a handful,of children demonstrating at Newcastle. One boy said https://dailycaller.com/2019/09/21/medieval-witchc...
“Why should I study for my GCSEs when people are going to catch fire, when the earth is going to catch point, what’s the point”
If that’s the level of claptrap they’re being taught it’s worse than we thought.
steveatesh said:
turbobloke said:
Politicised Climate Claptrap Has Reached Medieval Witchcraft Level
https://dailycaller.com/2019/09/21/medieval-witchc...
Local news yesterday interviewed a handful,of children demonstrating at Newcastle. One boy said https://dailycaller.com/2019/09/21/medieval-witchc...
“Why should I study for my GCSEs when people are going to catch fire, when the earth is going to catch point, what’s the point”
If that’s the level of claptrap they’re being taught it’s worse than we thought.
So when is st Greta going to the Dominican Republic?
Liveleak. Safe video of rubbish
https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=uPSJu_1569039579
YouTube link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phSSr-UBZzM
Liveleak. Safe video of rubbish
https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=uPSJu_1569039579
YouTube link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phSSr-UBZzM
Pesty said:
So when is st Greta going to the Dominican Republic?
Liveleak. Safe video of rubbish
https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=uPSJu_1569039579
YouTube link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phSSr-UBZzM
Thats not climate, thats just poor people being exploited.Liveleak. Safe video of rubbish
https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=uPSJu_1569039579
YouTube link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phSSr-UBZzM
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