Climate change - the POLITICAL debate. (Vol 5)

[robinessex]

mondeoman said:

Pesty said:

So when is st Greta going to the Dominican Republic?

Liveleak. Safe video of rubbish

https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=uPSJu_1569039579

YouTube link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phSSr-UBZzM

Thats not climate, thats just poor people being exploited.

More like their government not bothering with a rubbish disposal system. I wonder how many of the 'developing' countries who want the wicked west to finance their global warming fund are like this?

[LongQ]

robinessex said:

mondeoman said:

Pesty said:

So when is st Greta going to the Dominican Republic?

Liveleak. Safe video of rubbish

https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=uPSJu_1569039579

YouTube link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phSSr-UBZzM

Thats not climate, thats just poor people being exploited.

More like their government not bothering with a rubbish disposal system. I wonder how many of the 'developing' countries who want the wicked west to finance their global warming fund are like this?

So that's where all the plastic comes from?

[LongQ]

Apparently Thom Yorke, who I understand to be someone in the music trade, has branded himself as a hypocrite for pushing his opinion about the requirements for people to take action to save the planet (or whatever) whilst himself generating a large personal carbon footprint and encouraging others to do the same as they keep his business afloat.

Good on him for being honest.

Maybe Mick Jagger will do the same having, reportedly, signed some document demanding that the world's governments (or whoever) take action to stop climate change.? And then perhaps a tsunami of other will join in. Perhaps they might even take some action to cut their own pollution and reduce the global energy waste of music server systems perpetually transmitting audio rubbish (most of it but not all) around the world.

What next - an honest self appraisal from a "movie personality" perhaps?

[robinessex]

Climate change: Impacts 'accelerating' as leaders gather for UN talks

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-497...

The signs and impacts of global heating are speeding up, the latest science on climate change, published ahead of key UN talks in New York, says.
The data, compiled by the World Meteorological Organization (WMO), says the five-year period from 2014 to 2019 is the warmest on record................The climate statement is a pull-together of the latest science on the causes and growing impacts of unprecedented levels of warming seen in recent years................continues. Old data being regurgitated then?

Amazing how these new forecasts of doom always surface just before a CC somewhere. We all know it's not a conspiracy, don't we? Just a coincidence maybe then. Always short of absolute proof of course.


PS. Other than for about 5 days, don't remember 2019 being particularly warm.

[DS240]

robinessex said:

Climate change: Impacts 'accelerating' as leaders gather for UN talks

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-497...

The signs and impacts of global heating are speeding up, the latest science on climate change, published ahead of key UN talks in New York, says.
The data, compiled by the World Meteorological Organization (WMO), says the five-year period from 2014 to 2019 is the warmest on record................The climate statement is a pull-together of the latest science on the causes and growing impacts of unprecedented levels of warming seen in recent years................continues. Old data being regurgitated then?

Amazing how these new forecasts of doom always surface just before a CC somewhere. We all know it's not a conspiracy, don't we? Just a coincidence maybe then. Always short of absolute proof of course.


PS. Other than for about 5 days, don't remember 2019 being particularly warm.

Definitely nothing to do with the big renewable energy individuals who are behind ‘Team Greta’, who stand to gain financially from big government shifts in policy.

[Diderot]

BBC now blatantly peddling the ‘global heating’ message from that infamous Guardian arsetickle. Is there some kind of conference in the near future which will see a few thousand hypocrites flying in from various ‘corners’ of the globe (sic) on evil jet engined contraptions to talk about the evilness of jet engined travel being banned to save the pwanet from ‘global heating’ and enlisting the help of striking school kids?

[Walter Sobchak]

LongQ said:

Apparently Thom Yorke, who I understand to be someone in the music trade, has branded himself as a hypocrite for pushing his opinion about the requirements for people to take action to save the planet (or whatever) whilst himself generating a large personal carbon footprint and encouraging others to do the same as they keep his business afloat.

Good on him for being honest.

Maybe Mick Jagger will do the same having, reportedly, signed some document demanding that the world's governments (or whoever) take action to stop climate change.? And then perhaps a tsunami of other will join in. Perhaps they might even take some action to cut their own pollution and reduce the global energy waste of music server systems perpetually transmitting audio rubbish (most of it but not all) around the world.

What next - an honest self appraisal from a "movie personality" perhaps?

Isn’t he the lead singer of Coldplay? .
I thought the same when I saw the article, at least he’s being honest about it.
I like the comparison with Mick Jagger, although I couldn’t think of two more different front men and I say that as a fan of both bands.

[Cold]

Diderot said:

BBC now blatantly peddling the ‘global heating’ message from that infamous Guardian arsetickle. Is there some kind of conference in the near future which will see a few thousand hypocrites flying in from various ‘corners’ of the globe (sic) on evil jet engined contraptions to talk about the evilness of jet engined travel being banned to save the pwanet from ‘global heating’ and enlisting the help of striking school kids?

Yep, the UN Climate Summit takes place in New York this week.

[Diderot]

Cold said:

Diderot said:

BBC now blatantly peddling the ‘global heating’ message from that infamous Guardian arsetickle. Is there some kind of conference in the near future which will see a few thousand hypocrites flying in from various ‘corners’ of the globe (sic) on evil jet engined contraptions to talk about the evilness of jet engined travel being banned to save the pwanet from ‘global heating’ and enlisting the help of striking school kids?

Yep, the UN Climate Summit takes place in New York this week.

Funny that.

[stew-STR160]

robinessex said:

Climate change: Impacts 'accelerating' as leaders gather for UN talks

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-497...

The signs and impacts of global heating are speeding up, the latest science on climate change, published ahead of key UN talks in New York, says.
The data, compiled by the World Meteorological Organization (WMO), says the five-year period from 2014 to 2019 is the warmest on record................The climate statement is a pull-together of the latest science on the causes and growing impacts of unprecedented levels of warming seen in recent years................continues. Old data being regurgitated then?

Amazing how these new forecasts of doom always surface just before a CC somewhere. We all know it's not a conspiracy, don't we? Just a coincidence maybe then. Always short of absolute proof of course.


PS. Other than for about 5 days, don't remember 2019 being particularly warm.

Quite a few record cold temps recorded in America, Turkey, and other parts of the world in 2019.

[turbobloke]

In coverage of the current climate politics boondoggle bbc reheated lukewarm slop said:

...unprecedented levels of warming seen in recent years...

Not that old chestnut again, where unprecedented is redefined to mean precedented.

Presumably it's intended for politicians rather than people who have a clue.

The UAH LTT v6 temperature trend in recent years is +0.11 degrees C per decade i.e. not unprecedented as there's a prior +2 degrees C per decade rate noted in IPCC TAR WG1. Memories are conveniently short.

Plenty more rapid warming episodes exist within the wider scientific literature involving greater rates than 2 degrees C per decade, for example one event with +5 degrees per decade which is 45x faster than now. This shows that anthropogenic emissions sources for actual rapid warming, rather than imaginary rapid warming, are not required.

More from Alley (2007) on actual historical rapid warming events which are actually rapid and involve warming, unlike current pedestrian changes where measures being quoted arise mostly from adjustments to the data, not the data (NOAA):

"there does exist a preferred spacing of roughly 1500 years between abrupt warmings"
"a weak 'clock' of some sort combines with noise to pace the transitions"
"a solar clock seems most likely"

The discussion in Alley is around solar-ocean-circulation effects (MOC). Tax gas on very long holiday.

Meanwhile at a recent political demonstration, a new old solution was chanted.

https://canadafreepress.com/article/mom-dont-let-y...

[turbobloke]

US Politician Jerry Nadler on the impact of climate change said:

it will reduce the planet to bacteria and maybe a few plants

[robinessex]

turbobloke said:

US Politician Jerry Nadler on the impact of climate change said:

it will reduce the planet to bacteria and maybe a few plants

What, no politicians? How will we survive?

Edited by robinessex on Monday 23 September 11:11

[V10leptoquark]

Diderot said:

BBC now blatantly peddling the ‘global heating’ message from that infamous Guardian arsetickle.

Wonder what the carbon footprint of the guardian newspaper is to date?
And of course also the BBC?

Their historic footprint and their continual ongoing footprint is surely something that the fearful kids should be concerned about.

[robinessex]

Carbon footprint is another meaningless term, in the same bucket as planet temperature. Any 'event' on this planet has a CO2 element/link in it. You can go on ad Infinitum looking for them, so when do u stop?

[turbobloke]

Headlines from 20-23 September.


1) New Climate Package Targets Germany’s Top Companies To Cost €Billions
Reuters, 20 September 2019

2) The Green Paradox: Why Europe’s Climate Policies Increase Global Co2 Emissions
Achse des Guten, 21 September 2019

3) After $5 Billion In Losses, China’s Tesla Fights For Survival
Bloomberg, 22 September 2019

4) Climate Activists May Have Killed Germany’s Car Show
Automotive News Europe, 23 September 2019

5) German Industrial Recession Drags Economy Deeper Into Slump
Bloomberg, 23 September 2019

6) €55 Billion And Counting: Merkel Cannot Ease Green Angst Despite Astronomical Virtue Signalling
Clean Energy Wire, 23 September 2019

[robinessex]

turbobloke said:

Headlines from 20-23 September.


1) New Climate Package Targets Germany’s Top Companies To Cost €Billions
Reuters, 20 September 2019

2) The Green Paradox: Why Europe’s Climate Policies Increase Global Co2 Emissions
Achse des Guten, 21 September 2019

3) After $5 Billion In Losses, China’s Tesla Fights For Survival
Bloomberg, 22 September 2019

4) Climate Activists May Have Killed Germany’s Car Show
Automotive News Europe, 23 September 2019

5) German Industrial Recession Drags Economy Deeper Into Slump
Bloomberg, 23 September 2019

6) €55 Billion And Counting: Merkel Cannot Ease Green Angst Despite Astronomical Virtue Signalling
Clean Energy Wire, 23 September 2019

Looks as if the wheels are falling of the wagon

[jshell]

Try downloading all 197 pages of this and reading it... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48186443

Edited by jshell on Monday 23 September 17:03

[jonmiles]

The wheels aren't actually falling off the wagon. From what I can see lately they are actually adding more wheels to the wagon as the pressure continues to build for something to be done.

[turbobloke]

robinessex said:

Looks as if the wheels are falling of the wagon

Won't somebody think of the pwotesters.

Actually....