The people's vote
Discussion
Vanden Saab said:
This came up on my facebook page today. from peoples vote Witney….
fpeoples vote Witney said:
k me, I had to Google it to see if this was a real thing.On a totally unrelated note, it winds me up that primary school teachers are incapable of aligning anything consistently whether it's boxes, text or anything else.
Ah sorry I should have provided the link... https://www.facebook.com/groups/227764794732519/pe...
Vanden Saab said:
This came up on my facebook page today. from peoples vote Witney….
Remind me - who was their last MP? And what does that say about their political judgement?peoples vote Witney said:
Here is a picture of our Brexitometer, in Witney today. I think this is pretty conclusive!
Vanden Saab said:
Ah sorry I should have provided the link... https://www.facebook.com/groups/227764794732519/pe...
That group is amazing. A massive 42 members, including one who's decided to have their username end with "BA Hons"... Kermit power said:
You're quite possibly right. Personally I think what happened almost half a century ago is completely irrelevant today.
I just find it incredible that with almost a third of people voting against, seemingly none of them were organised enough to read the treaty.
I also don't think anyone can point to everyone going meekly along with the result back then without argument as a reason why everyone should go meekly along with the result now.
There is a world of difference beween a 67/33 vote in favour of no change and a 52/48 vote in favour of a largely unknown outcome when it comes to asking whether it's reasonable for people in either case to be asking for a confirmation of the decision two years later.
It was exactly the same question in 1975 as 2016 though just a different answer. It seems you are happy to stay in no questions asked but when the vote is out for some reason it needs massive scrutiny?I just find it incredible that with almost a third of people voting against, seemingly none of them were organised enough to read the treaty.
I also don't think anyone can point to everyone going meekly along with the result back then without argument as a reason why everyone should go meekly along with the result now.
There is a world of difference beween a 67/33 vote in favour of no change and a 52/48 vote in favour of a largely unknown outcome when it comes to asking whether it's reasonable for people in either case to be asking for a confirmation of the decision two years later.
TX.
Kermit power said:
Camoradi said:
If "democracy doesn't stand still" from 2016 to 2018, then it sure as hell doesn't stand still from 1975 to 2018
You're absolutely right, and I didn't suggest that the first referendum was in any way democratic, however much I think it was the result of frustrations built up under false pretences by our own political leaders.Our country is quite simply unrecognisable from the country we lived in in '75. I can still remember how hacked off I was when my mother came home from the shop with some candles so that I could still see to do my piano practice despite the blackouts during the three day week. Of course it's reasonable for people to have changed their minds over that time frame. That doesn't mean it's not reasonable for people to have changed their minds over the last couple of years either, given how tight the last referendum result was, and how much more we can how see about the reality of what the vote might mean.
TX.
Terminator X said:
Kermit power said:
You're quite possibly right. Personally I think what happened almost half a century ago is completely irrelevant today.
I just find it incredible that with almost a third of people voting against, seemingly none of them were organised enough to read the treaty.
I also don't think anyone can point to everyone going meekly along with the result back then without argument as a reason why everyone should go meekly along with the result now.
There is a world of difference beween a 67/33 vote in favour of no change and a 52/48 vote in favour of a largely unknown outcome when it comes to asking whether it's reasonable for people in either case to be asking for a confirmation of the decision two years later.
It was exactly the same question in 1975 as 2016 though just a different answer. It seems you are happy to stay in no questions asked but when the vote is out for some reason it needs massive scrutiny?I just find it incredible that with almost a third of people voting against, seemingly none of them were organised enough to read the treaty.
I also don't think anyone can point to everyone going meekly along with the result back then without argument as a reason why everyone should go meekly along with the result now.
There is a world of difference beween a 67/33 vote in favour of no change and a 52/48 vote in favour of a largely unknown outcome when it comes to asking whether it's reasonable for people in either case to be asking for a confirmation of the decision two years later.
TX.
1975 said:
Do you think that the United Kingdom should stay in the European Community (the Common Market)?
2016 said:
Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?
The question asked in the '75 referendum would be seen as biased towards remain today....I am confused on a few points, if anyone wants to help me with that would be great.
1, The peoples vote? The 2016 vote was undertaken by Aliens on both sides? If not who are the People?
2, PH is the only place I have seen this so is everyone getting frothy on SM? How if I did not belong to PH's would I ever know about it or any other petition, We do not do any SM no news no TV news (PH is the exception)
I do read online news but I have not seen it mentioned any place and Bristol would be having a kitten with something like the Peoples vote but again nothing that I can see.
But I do some more important help, twister ice lolly or dark choc ice?
1, The peoples vote? The 2016 vote was undertaken by Aliens on both sides? If not who are the People?
2, PH is the only place I have seen this so is everyone getting frothy on SM? How if I did not belong to PH's would I ever know about it or any other petition, We do not do any SM no news no TV news (PH is the exception)
I do read online news but I have not seen it mentioned any place and Bristol would be having a kitten with something like the Peoples vote but again nothing that I can see.
But I do some more important help, twister ice lolly or dark choc ice?
There's a danger of confirmation bias, but I'd say the comments sections of newspaper articles on Brexit on social media are getting more strident about leaving...
There's those who jump on in with "we're all doomed - asteroids, house price collapse and shortage of Danish jism" that get a fair few 'likes' but the majority of the commentary I see is that we've had a vote - and that includes quite a few remain voters.
There's those who jump on in with "we're all doomed - asteroids, house price collapse and shortage of Danish jism" that get a fair few 'likes' but the majority of the commentary I see is that we've had a vote - and that includes quite a few remain voters.
Allanv said:
I am confused on a few points, if anyone wants to help me with that would be great.
1, The peoples vote? The 2016 vote was undertaken by Aliens on both sides? If not who are the People?
2, PH is the only place I have seen this so is everyone getting frothy on SM? How if I did not belong to PH's would I ever know about it or any other petition, We do not do any SM no news no TV news (PH is the exception)
I do read online news but I have not seen it mentioned any place and Bristol would be having a kitten with something like the Peoples vote but again nothing that I can see.
But I do some more important help, twister ice lolly or dark choc ice?
Are you mad ? One has chocolate, the other doesn't. What's the problem ?1, The peoples vote? The 2016 vote was undertaken by Aliens on both sides? If not who are the People?
2, PH is the only place I have seen this so is everyone getting frothy on SM? How if I did not belong to PH's would I ever know about it or any other petition, We do not do any SM no news no TV news (PH is the exception)
I do read online news but I have not seen it mentioned any place and Bristol would be having a kitten with something like the Peoples vote but again nothing that I can see.
But I do some more important help, twister ice lolly or dark choc ice?
gothatway said:
Allanv said:
I am confused on a few points, if anyone wants to help me with that would be great.
1, The peoples vote? The 2016 vote was undertaken by Aliens on both sides? If not who are the People?
2, PH is the only place I have seen this so is everyone getting frothy on SM? How if I did not belong to PH's would I ever know about it or any other petition, We do not do any SM no news no TV news (PH is the exception)
I do read online news but I have not seen it mentioned any place and Bristol would be having a kitten with something like the Peoples vote but again nothing that I can see.
But I do some more important help, twister ice lolly or dark choc ice?
Are you mad ? One has chocolate, the other doesn't. What's the problem ?1, The peoples vote? The 2016 vote was undertaken by Aliens on both sides? If not who are the People?
2, PH is the only place I have seen this so is everyone getting frothy on SM? How if I did not belong to PH's would I ever know about it or any other petition, We do not do any SM no news no TV news (PH is the exception)
I do read online news but I have not seen it mentioned any place and Bristol would be having a kitten with something like the Peoples vote but again nothing that I can see.
But I do some more important help, twister ice lolly or dark choc ice?
Terminator X said:
Kermit power said:
You're quite possibly right. Personally I think what happened almost half a century ago is completely irrelevant today.
I just find it incredible that with almost a third of people voting against, seemingly none of them were organised enough to read the treaty.
I also don't think anyone can point to everyone going meekly along with the result back then without argument as a reason why everyone should go meekly along with the result now.
There is a world of difference beween a 67/33 vote in favour of no change and a 52/48 vote in favour of a largely unknown outcome when it comes to asking whether it's reasonable for people in either case to be asking for a confirmation of the decision two years later.
It was exactly the same question in 1975 as 2016 though just a different answer. It seems you are happy to stay in no questions asked but when the vote is out for some reason it needs massive scrutiny?I just find it incredible that with almost a third of people voting against, seemingly none of them were organised enough to read the treaty.
I also don't think anyone can point to everyone going meekly along with the result back then without argument as a reason why everyone should go meekly along with the result now.
There is a world of difference beween a 67/33 vote in favour of no change and a 52/48 vote in favour of a largely unknown outcome when it comes to asking whether it's reasonable for people in either case to be asking for a confirmation of the decision two years later.
TX.
Back then, the outcomes were stay with what we've had for the last couple of years or go back to what we had a couple of years ago. There was very little relationship to be unpicked, and it would've been a relatively simple thing to implement either way.
This time, however, it was a question between staying where we are and unpicking four decades of intertwined legislation, standards and everything else.
Back then, everyone knew what leaving meant, because there was really only one leave option. This time round, there is a while raft of options to choose from.
Back then, over two thirds of the country came down on one side of the vote. This time it couldn't have been much closer.
All of that, I believe, means there is more need for scrutiny this time than there was last time.
Vanden Saab said:
Terminator X said:
Kermit power said:
You're quite possibly right. Personally I think what happened almost half a century ago is completely irrelevant today.
I just find it incredible that with almost a third of people voting against, seemingly none of them were organised enough to read the treaty.
I also don't think anyone can point to everyone going meekly along with the result back then without argument as a reason why everyone should go meekly along with the result now.
There is a world of difference beween a 67/33 vote in favour of no change and a 52/48 vote in favour of a largely unknown outcome when it comes to asking whether it's reasonable for people in either case to be asking for a confirmation of the decision two years later.
It was exactly the same question in 1975 as 2016 though just a different answer. It seems you are happy to stay in no questions asked but when the vote is out for some reason it needs massive scrutiny?I just find it incredible that with almost a third of people voting against, seemingly none of them were organised enough to read the treaty.
I also don't think anyone can point to everyone going meekly along with the result back then without argument as a reason why everyone should go meekly along with the result now.
There is a world of difference beween a 67/33 vote in favour of no change and a 52/48 vote in favour of a largely unknown outcome when it comes to asking whether it's reasonable for people in either case to be asking for a confirmation of the decision two years later.
TX.
1975 said:
Do you think that the United Kingdom should stay in the European Community (the Common Market)?
2016 said:
Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?
The question asked in the '75 referendum would be seen as biased towards remain today....TX.
Terminator X said:
Vanden Saab said:
Terminator X said:
Kermit power said:
You're quite possibly right. Personally I think what happened almost half a century ago is completely irrelevant today.
I just find it incredible that with almost a third of people voting against, seemingly none of them were organised enough to read the treaty.
I also don't think anyone can point to everyone going meekly along with the result back then without argument as a reason why everyone should go meekly along with the result now.
There is a world of difference beween a 67/33 vote in favour of no change and a 52/48 vote in favour of a largely unknown outcome when it comes to asking whether it's reasonable for people in either case to be asking for a confirmation of the decision two years later.
It was exactly the same question in 1975 as 2016 though just a different answer. It seems you are happy to stay in no questions asked but when the vote is out for some reason it needs massive scrutiny?I just find it incredible that with almost a third of people voting against, seemingly none of them were organised enough to read the treaty.
I also don't think anyone can point to everyone going meekly along with the result back then without argument as a reason why everyone should go meekly along with the result now.
There is a world of difference beween a 67/33 vote in favour of no change and a 52/48 vote in favour of a largely unknown outcome when it comes to asking whether it's reasonable for people in either case to be asking for a confirmation of the decision two years later.
TX.
1975 said:
Do you think that the United Kingdom should stay in the European Community (the Common Market)?
2016 said:
Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union ?
The question asked in the '75 referendum would be seen as biased towards remain today....TX.
edit to add the 1975 question also had a Yes / No answer and not remain or leave...
Edited by Vanden Saab on Monday 1st October 13:06
Kccv23highliftcam said:
Because someone's got to steal your (high tech) jobs, drink your ale and shag your women because the current generation of snowflake English "men" are afraid of upsetting someone...anyone...
Oh yeah the weather's better too..
Having met (some) Scottish Women, I can't say I blame you... Oh yeah the weather's better too..
Gargamel said:
Kccv23highliftcam said:
Because someone's got to steal your (high tech) jobs, drink your ale and shag your women because the current generation of snowflake English "men" are afraid of upsetting someone...anyone...
Oh yeah the weather's better too..
Having met (some) Scottish Women, I can't say I blame you... Oh yeah the weather's better too..
I could never tell who was who.
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