The people's vote

[anonymous-user]

There will be a deal based on the Chequers agreement as it’s the only deal on the table and it’s in nobody’s interest to crash out. There will not be a second referendum as we won’t need one.

Can you imagine the disruption that would be caused by having one? You cannot forget the majority voted to leave and everyone just wants to get on with it. Remain is dead as a dead thing.

[over_the_hill]

I suspect it will be some sort of divide and conquer approach.

The vote would go

40-odd% Remain
20-odd% No Deal WTO
20-odd% Take the deal
20-odd% Want a different deal

There you have it, Remain outnumber everyone else by 2:1

[anonymous-user]

jjlynn27 said:

Bullett said:

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Having spent the last 2 year being told that Brexiters are all stupid racist idiots who don't understand is not really going to change anyone's mind.

My bold. I see that claim time after time, and yet I haven't seen a single example of anyone saying that.

It must happen to them in everyday life and not on this forum unless 17.2 million people are following these Brexit threads.

I'm not sure how you can tell who voted for Brexit when out on the streets but I guess this type of bullying must exist on our streets.

[Supercilious Sid]

tvrolet said:

Always strikes me as soon as you have to put 'Peoples' in front of anything, it's got sod-all to do with the majority of the people - as in People's Republic of China, Democratic People's Republic of Korea etc...Like a red flag warning that this is being driven by the political classes who know best for the 'people'.

Well said. It's a bit like visiting places where they put a sign up saying they 'dont tolerate abuse of staff'. You can almost guarantee the staff will tend towards the surly and rude.

[don'tbesilly]

jjlynn27 said:

Bullett said:

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Having spent the last 2 year being told that Brexiters are all stupid racist idiots who don't understand is not really going to change anyone's mind.

My bold. I see that claim time after time, and yet I haven't seen a single example of anyone saying that.

Very nearly, just missed out the 'stupid and 'idiots' - Vince Cable:

“nostalgia for a world where passports were blue, faces were white and the map was coloured imperial pink”

[CAPP0]

jjlynn27 said:

Not only there are enough Brexit threads, but you also have a specific thread on People's Vote.

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

Unfortunately I didn't see that one before I started this.

Good to see that after an initial hiccup we've actually been able to discuss it sensibly though!

[B'stard Child]

over_the_hill said:

I suspect it will be some sort of divide and conquer approach.

The vote would go

40-odd% Remain
20-odd% No Deal WTO
20-odd% Take the deal
20-odd% Want a different deal

There you have it, Remain outnumber everyone else by 2:1

But 60% of the voters didn't want remain

[The Surveyor]

voyds9 said:

Me being cynical would imagine a vote

1) Remain in EU
2) Hard Brexit
3) Leave with EU-UK deal

Thus splitting the Leave 2 ways and allowing Remain to win.

Back to square 1 as how can anybody vote for 'Leave with EU-UK deal' when nobody knows what that actually means. Even the Chequers deal option is unlikely to be accepted by the EU so any further public referendum would be a pointless repeat of the last one.

What the country needs is to stick with Plan A, put an offer on the EU table and make it their problem. They either accept the deal on the table, or it's Hard Brexit.

[mattnovak]

jjlynn27 said:

Bullett said:

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Having spent the last 2 year being told that Brexiters are all stupid racist idiots who don't understand is not really going to change anyone's mind.

My bold. I see that claim time after time, and yet I haven't seen a single example of anyone saying that.

Have a look at most Guardian columns where commentary is allowed.

[jjlynn27]

Vanden Saab said:

jjlynn27 said:

My bold. I see that claim time after time, and yet I haven't seen a single example of anyone saying that.

But as you think you have to have had a degree to be an engineer we can safely ignore everything else you think.
Am I doing this right?

I have no idea if you are doing, whatever 'this' is, right. You are free to ignore whatever you like, as is everyone else, including whoever you are representing when you type 'we'. Does that help? Before you reply, it's a rhetorical question.

[anonymous-user]

mattnovak said:

Have a look at most Guardian columns where commentary is allowed.

Good lord, they must be bigger snowflakes than I thought if they are getting upset about comments on the Guardian.

Maybe it is time for these victims of abuse to start following what Brexit actually is and how it will make any changes in their life if any at all.

[Deptford Draylons]

Ghibli said:

Good lord, they must be bigger snowflakes than I thought if they are getting upset about comments on the Guardian.

Maybe it is time for these victims of abuse to start following what Brexit actually is and how it will make any changes in their life if any at all.

He was saying it's quite common at the Guardian , didn't say anything about being upset about it, you had to add that bit as a diversion.
For the record, few here actually say outright that all Brexit voters are thick racist, more than a few just merely insinuate it.

[Otispunkmeyer]

Tankrizzo said:

Let's not forget that a driver for a second referendum is that apparently "a large part of the country has changed its mind", according to polls.

Yet polling for major political decisions in the UK over the last few years has been wrong - spectacularly so, in some cases. Polling for the 2015 GE showed a coalition government was likely; instead we had a Tory majority. Polling in 2017 showed a clear Tory majority and instead we had a hung Parliament.

Even the polling for the EU Referendum itself showed a narrow win for Remain.

I take the claim of "the country has changed its mind" with a pinch of salt. Who can honestly say that Remain would almost certainly win if you asked the same question again? Even Remainers can't.

I dunno

I will be honest and say I voted out. I had my reasons, which I thought were reasonably sound.

If I could vote again (at the time), I would change my mind.

I was too naive about how well our government would handle it. They've shown they can't handle it and the whole thing, from both sides, has just descended into childishness...in fact, I don't think it ever raised above that level right from the start. I didn't sign up for that.

I wonder though, if for everyone like me, there was someone on the other side who voted remain and now wishes to vote out.

I think if we did have another vote. It would be remain. But I don't know what my vote would be.... damage has been done so things would never be the same with the relationship. Would staying now, be tenable?

Edited by Otispunkmeyer on Tuesday 25th September 14:37

[alfaspecial]

The 'People's Vote' - an oxymoron surely.
Substantially funded by George Soros - remember he 'broke' the Bank of England to the tune of $1bn - don't think it was John Major who footed the bill. It was you and I losing out to a combination of higher taxes, cuts to other services or additional borrowing (a tax on future generations). So in addition to this particular selfless individual we have:
Blair - War Criminal and serial-self-serving-pocket-liner-a-man-so-deluded-he-thinks-anyone-listens to-anything-he-says.
Cambell - Apologist for War Criminal (with a book to sell)
Major - the Grey Adulterer who, instead of sorting out the EU, was lecturing us about 'Back to Basics' - didn't he end up with Eggy on his face over that campaign!
Kinnock - Campaigned against joining the CM in 1975 but had a 'road to Damascus ' moment when he (and his wife) realised they could jump on the European Gravy Train (pension £88000pa)

and half a hundred other assholes.




This was posted by Vanden Saab (Saturday) on the other thread:
The Peoples Vote have released a copy of their proposed vote question....

[anonymous-user]

Deptford Draylons said:

Ghibli said:

Good lord, they must be bigger snowflakes than I thought if they are getting upset about comments on the Guardian.

Maybe it is time for these victims of abuse to start following what Brexit actually is and how it will make any changes in their life if any at all.

He was saying it's quite common at the Guardian , didn't say anything about being upset about it, you had to add that bit as a diversion.
For the record, few here actually say outright that all Brexit voters are thick racist, more than a few just merely insinuate it.

To be honest you are more likely to find people on this forum saying that they are called stupid racist than are actually being called stupid racist.

We even have people saying they would vote Brexit again because the are called stupid racist.

The Guardian message board is one example. Where does it happen or has the goal post now moved to insinuating.

[jjlynn27]

mattnovak said:

Have a look at most Guardian columns where commentary is allowed.

I don't really read guardian, and the only comments that I occasionally read are on order-order, as I find them very entertaining. Whoever claims that all brexit voters are thick racist, is demonstrably dumber than the people he/she comments on.

[The Surveyor]

Conversely, I voted remain but would now vote leave if there was another vote. Reason being that the way the EU have behaved during the Brexit negotiations confirmed everything that is bad about that organisation, and secondly because if the UK went back to the EU, we would have lost every last bit of credibility and would end up with a worse deal than we ever had.

[anonymous-user]

The Surveyor said:

Conversely, I voted remain but would now vote leave if there was another vote. Reason being that the way the EU have behaved during the Brexit negotiations confirmed everything that is bad about that organisation, and secondly because if the UK went back to the EU, we would have lost every last bit of credibility and would end up with a worse deal than we ever had.

Just out of curiosity, how do you think the rest of the world would see us if we left with no deal and no trade agreements.

The government would say it's the will of the people. If we had another referendum and remained it would be the government who would be at fault for not producing what they thought they could offer it people.

[catso]

Bullett said:

So when the vote happens and we vote out again by an even bigger margin.
Will that be the end?

Who knows?

Whilst I voted remain, I accept the result of the referendum and don't think running it again would be a good idea.

But to be fair to both sides of the argument, if remain had won would the UKIP/Brexit supporters have accepted it without any fuss?

[don'tbesilly]

The Surveyor said:

Conversely, I voted remain but would now vote leave if there was another vote. Reason being that the way the EU have behaved during the Brexit negotiations confirmed everything that is bad about that organisation, and secondly because if the UK went back to the EU, we would have lost every last bit of credibility and would end up with a worse deal than we ever had.

I'd agree on the credibility aspect, the worst deal possible is without doubt a given.