Saudi Washington Post journalist Jamal Khashoggi

[B17NNS]

Solid piece by The Post here regarding links to the perps and Mohammed bone Sawman.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2018/inves...

[anonymous-user]

Murky?

Khashoggi Murder Suspect Dies In "Suspicious Car Accident"

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-10-18/khashogg...

[Lucas Ayde]

turbomoped said:

All these news talking heads claiming some sort of behind the scene deals to make it go away seem to be from the usual us/uk/ksa axis.
The fact's have already been stated and the world knows. Are they planning to buy off every person on the planet?
Anyone defending these evil scumbags are pretty much as bad as them.
Lots of recent photos of trump,may and uk royals grinning with joy in the company of this evil despot for all to see.

I think you need to get real and understand that the World doesn't work on moral principles, and that outrage in social media doesn't mean a thing when it comes to international relations - especially ones that are so lucrative for so many insiders and which involve a very strategic military and economic ally to the West.

The Saudis have been butchering people in their tens of thousands in Yemen over the last few years with absolutely no consequences for them - in fact we've even continued to sell them the weapons to do it.

You can see the general form of how this will be explained away right now - 'Rogue' operators who planned to stage an interrogation/ rendition and it all went wrong.

The fact that you hear lots of reports from 'anonymous Turkish intelligence sources' but nothing official from Turkey and that they are carrying out a 'Joint investigation' with the Saudis means that they are carrying out a NEGOTIATION to see what concessions they can extort in return for their cooperation in smoothing it over. The US will no doubt also have a price that they want, to drop the matter.

Once it's all agreed between the Saudis, Turks and Americans, the mainstream media will obligingly push whatever narrative is chosen to make the affair less unpalatable - the general public have short memories and there will be something along pretty quickly to distact them no doubt.

[TheJimi]

^^ Hard to disagree with that

[turbomoped]

Lucas Ayde said:

turbomoped said:

All these news talking heads claiming some sort of behind the scene deals to make it go away seem to be from the usual us/uk/ksa axis.
The fact's have already been stated and the world knows. Are they planning to buy off every person on the planet?
Anyone defending these evil scumbags are pretty much as bad as them.
Lots of recent photos of trump,may and uk royals grinning with joy in the company of this evil despot for all to see.

I think you need to get real and understand that the World doesn't work on moral principles, and that outrage in social media doesn't mean a thing when it comes to international relations - especially ones that are so lucrative for so many insiders and which involve a very strategic military and economic ally to the West.

The Saudis have been butchering people in their tens of thousands in Yemen over the last few years with absolutely no consequences for them - in fact we've even continued to sell them the weapons to do it.

You can see the general form of how this will be explained away right now - 'Rogue' operators who planned to stage an interrogation/ rendition and it all went wrong.

The fact that you hear lots of reports from 'anonymous Turkish intelligence sources' but nothing official from Turkey and that they are carrying out a 'Joint investigation' with the Saudis means that they are carrying out a NEGOTIATION to see what concessions they can extort in return for their cooperation in smoothing it over. The US will no doubt also have a price that they want, to drop the matter.

Once it's all agreed between the Saudis, Turks and Americans, the mainstream media will obligingly push whatever narrative is chosen to make the affair less unpalatable - the general public have short memories and there will be something along pretty quickly to distact them no doubt.

No doubt ksa have a vast cash war chest to peddle stories in the media and we know how short of cash the print media is now.
People will think twice and some will invest elsewhere. They were only keen because he presented himself as a plausible
human being for a little while.

[AJL308]

B17NNS said:

Trump suggests 'rogue killers' to blame

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-45863...

Investigators will search the building in Istanbul later on Monday, the Turkish foreign ministry says. A group of cleaners was seen entering earlier.

Eh?

Edited by B17NNS on Monday 15th October 16:54

Dinner reservation for one?

[AJL308]

skwdenyer said:

B17NNS said:

FourWheelDrift said:

some interesting movements going on in and out of there if you see Rag?p Soylu's posts - https://twitter.com/ragipsoylu

Saudi / Turkish team visiting the Saudi Consulate in Istanbul seems like just conducting a visual inspection, since no one has protective clothing and police equipment along with them.

Way to preserve a crime scene. Fire the cleaners in and then pop in for a quick visual.

That Twitter account is very interesting. Takeaways include:

- trial run the day before the "incident" to check if the van would fit in the underground garage;
- lots of people leaving with potential evidence;
- cleaners just before the inspection;
- only just now has the area been cordoned-off

Whilst I realise that the consulate itself is sovereign turf, can those coming/going not be searched? I realise also there are some rules around "the diplomatic bag" but equally I'm pretty certain those rules have enough inherent flexibility after the infamous Nigerian-in-a-packing-crate event, don't they?

It is "sovereign turf" of the country in which it is situated, not of the state who's embassy it is.

[Lucas Ayde]

turbomoped said:

No doubt ksa have a vast cash war chest to peddle stories in the media and we know how short of cash the print media is now.
People will think twice and some will invest elsewhere. They were only keen because he presented himself as a plausible
human being for a little while.

If there's money to be made, they'll get investment.

Notice that years of slaughter in Yemen and regular public beheadings didn't put those people off putting money in. What would stop them is the prospect of losing it, or having it confiscated.

None of their long, appalling record of disregarding human rights stopped the Saudis from becoming Chair of the UN Human Rights Council panel in 2015 either.....

http://blog.unwatch.org/index.php/2015/09/20/saudi...

[Mothersruin]

Zod said:

Ridgemont said:

The only morally acceptable response is to recognise that MBS is too volatile and dangerous to be considered an ally. If I were US/UK I’d be rowing back away as swiftly as possible. Possibly looking at whether there is another prince who would be more amenable. Because the current crown prince is going to cause more problems down the road.

There's a good article in the FT today, bemoaning the West's tendency to attach hope to energetic young Arab successors who disappoint badly, such as MBS, Bashar al-Assad, Gamal Mubarak, and Seif al-Islam (Gaddafi junior) (and even Sheikh Zayed's successors in the UAE).

The UAE is going to be very interesting. The Crown Princes of Abu Dhabi & Dubai will probably accede to power around the same time, but they could not be different personalities. There's been been forced harmony over the years but that could well come to and end.

There could be a split with Dubai isolated as Sharjah will suddenly be far more in line with the major power, Abu Dhabi, rather than just the pious conscience of The Emirates.

If the current KSA experiment doesn't work out, there could be a massive step backwards in the region.

[B17NNS]

Al Jazeera reporting that British Intelligence have said morphine was used to silence the screams after his fingers were removed. I guess that means he might have been awake for a lot of it.

Savage.

[Tom Logan]

AJL308 said:

It is "sovereign turf" of the country in which it is situated, not of the state who's embassy it is.

If thats the case why haven't plod frogmarched Assange out of the Ecuadorean embassy?

[MDMA .]

Tom Logan said:

AJL308 said:

It is "sovereign turf" of the country in which it is situated, not of the state who's embassy it is.

If thats the case why haven't plod frogmarched Assange out of the Ecuadorean embassy?

Because the mission is protected and is considered Ecuadorian property, but the territory does not belong to Ecuador.

[Pupp]

B17NNS said:

Al Jazeera reporting that British Intelligence have said morphine was used to silence the screams after his fingers were removed. I guess that means he might have been awake for a lot of it.

Savage.

Savage is, indeed, an understatement if any of that represents anything like the truth. Worse descriptors too, no argument.
But, Al Jareeza are likely to be how reliable? Even if British intelligence has any better insight as to what occurred.
Validated facts are needed; from actual primary sources. This seems somewhat removed from that; no?

[Burwood]

Pupp said:

B17NNS said:

Al Jazeera reporting that British Intelligence have said morphine was used to silence the screams after his fingers were removed. I guess that means he might have been awake for a lot of it.

Savage.

Savage is, indeed, an understatement if any of that represents anything like the truth. Worse descriptors too, no argument.
But, Al Jareeza are likely to be how reliable? Even if British intelligence has any better insight as to what occurred.
Validated facts are needed; from actual primary sources. This seems somewhat removed from that; no?

You can draw your own conclusions along those lines given their predilection for cutting appendages off and sending a medical examiner who specialises in just that. I have no doubt he endured such brutality. And more. It will come out in time.

Edited by Burwood on Friday 19th October 07:52

[Escapegoat]

Unable to try to blame the victim directly, the pro-Saudi press is trying to smear his fiance: http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/gulf/2018/10/...

[Lucas Ayde]

Pupp said:

Savage is, indeed, an understatement if any of that represents anything like the truth. Worse descriptors too, no argument.
But, Al Jareeza are likely to be how reliable? Even if British intelligence has any better insight as to what occurred.
Validated facts are needed; from actual primary sources. This seems somewhat removed from that; no?

No validated facts of any kind other than he went in and was not seen to come out again (unless you believe the Saudis that he did leave). All the lurid 'leaks from anonymous sources' in the media are there to put more pressure on the Saudis.

Right now I'd guess that the Turks are extracting every concession that they can from the Saudis in return for 'overlooking the transgression' - it's not like Erdogan's regime is a friend of journalists or human rights either. I'm sure the Americans will want some compensation in return for looking the other way too - they have supported the Saudis since the end of WW2 and even looked the other way after 9/11. They're not going to worry too much about this, other than pretending to be concerned.

Once everyone has been paid off, business as usual. The mainstream media will be told to shut up and forget about it and the public has short memories and a fleeting attention span. It's not like there is headline coverage from the media or a massive public outcry about the rolling massacre of people in Yemen, is it?

[Tom Logan]

MDMA . said:

Tom Logan said:

AJL308 said:

It is "sovereign turf" of the country in which it is situated, not of the state who's embassy it is.

If thats the case why haven't plod frogmarched Assange out of the Ecuadorean embassy?

Because the mission is protected and is considered Ecuadorian property, but the territory does not belong to Ecuador.

Got it, thanks.

[turbomoped]

Davros in the desert (as sinister as it sounds) seems to have lost some some lustre. But mbs will make some lifelong friends with all those that showed up in tearful drunken sessions at the bar late into the night.

[Halb]

BlackLabel said:

If the likes of Lindsey Graham is saying this (3.41) then perhaps things are finally changing in Washington when it comes to the current Saudi regime.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ptxP9GSg44s&feat...

LG is a joke, he deserved a razzie during the Kavaunugh thing, but I guess his weaselly lil nose can smell how th wind may turn, considering the flagrant actions of KSA

[BertieWooster]

According to Sky News, the Saudis have said that Khashoggi was killed in a fight at the consulate and 18 people have been arrested. I'm guessing that any of those actually involved won't be among the 18 arrested.