Saudi Washington Post journalist Jamal Khashoggi
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Jazzy Jag said:
GT03ROB said:
Thinking about it further & after the Salisbury affair it's evident talent in the hit-man world is thin on the ground!! Whilst incompetence is high.
Edited by GT03ROB on Saturday 13th October 06:18
What's the pay like?
Seems to be an opportunity there...
Earthdweller said:
21TonyK said:
Reported on BBC this AM there there is audio and images. Watch was sync'd to his phone.
Pretty grim stuff.
Wow Pretty grim stuff.
So he streamed his own death ?
That has to be a game changer surely if true ?
The bit I don't get is they're saying they tried to get him to unlock the watch but he refused, but they did it using his fingerprint, which meant they would need his phone which he didn't have on him.
So it could also be a way for the Turkish authorities can say they have audio recording without admitting the building was bugged.
Either way, if there is audio and it's in secure hands, it's a major diplomatic incident.
Trump's already said he doesn't care because the Saudis buy a lot of weapons, but others in the US are using more appropriate language.
I get the impression that this is not as simple as it sounds. In the context , journo pisses off ruling administration , administration bumps off journo.
Firstly , all we have at present is speculation, it does sound and appear very iffy, but still, as yet there is no conclusive proof that the journo is dead, or indeed where he is, live or dead.
Secondly, for anyone trying to torpedo the reforms the leadership in Saudi want to implement the timing could not be better, with the Mnuchkin "Davos in the desert" being just days away. Some of the comments coming from the Saudi leadership, appear very pissed at what has happened/being alledged.
It s going to being interesting to see what pans out, hopefully this incident will be more accurately reported than the Saudi/Canada spat was.
Firstly , all we have at present is speculation, it does sound and appear very iffy, but still, as yet there is no conclusive proof that the journo is dead, or indeed where he is, live or dead.
Secondly, for anyone trying to torpedo the reforms the leadership in Saudi want to implement the timing could not be better, with the Mnuchkin "Davos in the desert" being just days away. Some of the comments coming from the Saudi leadership, appear very pissed at what has happened/being alledged.
It s going to being interesting to see what pans out, hopefully this incident will be more accurately reported than the Saudi/Canada spat was.
durbster said:
Earthdweller said:
21TonyK said:
Reported on BBC this AM there there is audio and images. Watch was sync'd to his phone.
Pretty grim stuff.
Wow Pretty grim stuff.
So he streamed his own death ?
That has to be a game changer surely if true ?
The bit I don't get is they're saying they tried to get him to unlock the watch but he refused, but they did it using his fingerprint, which meant they would need his phone which he didn't have on him.
So it could also be a way for the Turkish authorities can say they have audio recording without admitting the building was bugged.
Either way, if there is audio and it's in secure hands, it's a major diplomatic incident.
Trump's already said he doesn't care because the Saudis buy a lot of weapons, but others in the US are using more appropriate language.
tty state of affairs. 
The guy the BBC interviewed was described as a close friend and journalist, forget his name. He claimed that there was recordings of him entering the building, going into a specific room with an official, then being dragged into another room beaten and tortured then dismembered. he named the rooms etc
Could all be crap but he was very particular about the details.
Could all be crap but he was very particular about the details.
durbster said:
It's sounds a bit iffy. They're saying he started audio recording on his Apple Watch before he went in then left his phone with his wife, so was all backed up. That all sounds entirely feasible, I mean, anyone with sense would take precautions.
The bit I don't get is they're saying they tried to get him to unlock the watch but he refused, but they did it using his fingerprint, which meant they would need his phone which he didn't have on him.
So it could also be a way for the Turkish authorities can say they have audio recording without admitting the building was bugged.
From what I read today they tried to unlock the watch by using a number of PIN combinations, and failing that mistakenly thought they could use his fingerprint; a quick call to Apple Support would have pointed them in the right direction The bit I don't get is they're saying they tried to get him to unlock the watch but he refused, but they did it using his fingerprint, which meant they would need his phone which he didn't have on him.
So it could also be a way for the Turkish authorities can say they have audio recording without admitting the building was bugged.
Whilst it is certainly possible that he recorded the conversation on his watch, which then uploaded the recording to iCloud, he would have needed a cellular watch with a good connection as I doubt he would have been in range of his phone (or they were both connected to the same open wifi network - unlikely). Apple usually present stories of users being saved by their watch features (heart attacks etc.) when they have a keynote although I not sure this will make the cut at the next event.
Or as you say it could be the Turks bugged the building and want to use this as a means to deny it, which is entirely plausible. I bet the other embassies are currently having a good look around.
I appreciate there is an element of realpolitik when dealing with countries like Saudi Arabia but I just wish for once we send a clear message and stop dealing with them/selling them weapons etc. unless and until they stop their medieval practices.
KSA, nice lil earner for those with access to the trough
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jun/23/uk-h...
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jun/23/uk-h...
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