Saudi Washington Post journalist Jamal Khashoggi

[WCZ]

Lucas Ayde said:

Justin Trudeau - virtual signaller extraordinaire shows himself to be a massive hypocrite .....

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-saudi-khashoggi...

Yeah right Justin, you'd really love to do something about it but y'now, hands are tied and whatever........

if his dad had been killed in the consulate then I wonder whether he'd abandon the deal

[Lucas Ayde]

WCZ said:

if his dad had been killed in the consulate then I wonder whether he'd abandon the deal

Don't expect any of our virtuous Western countries to cancel big arms deals (or other lucrative contracts) with the Saudis ... our politicians are up for sale and the Saudis have some of the biggest wallets on the planet.

Wouldn't do to offend someone who is in the position to make you a lot of money when you leave politics. or who has a lot of business that they can do with your set of existing benefactors in the business world.

Given that Saudis regularly impose corporal (or even capital) punishment on dissenters, are the source of and major financial backers of Wahabist/Salafist Islamic fundamentalists, kidnapped the PM of Lebanon, have been carrying out a genocidal war in Yemen for three years (which is massively under-reported in the Western Media) and now have butchered a dissident in one of their embassies, you have to wonder what they'd have to do that would actually result in the West disowning them ...... run out of cash, perhaps?

[Burwood]

I wonder how Tony Blair is getting on with his 'Institute for change'. He's been very quiet on the matter

[Halb]

Brilliant dissection of this by Tim on th DP today.

[Digger]

Halb said:

Brilliant dissection of this by Tim on th DP today.

Who? On the what?

Linky?

[Escapegoat]

Lucas Ayde said:

Given that Saudis ... kidnapped the PM of Lebanon

And just to show how hard it is for everybody to shake free of the sheikh's benificence, gues who was sitting with MBS yesterday?

[BlackLabel]

Burwood said:

I wonder how Tony Blair is getting on with his 'Institute for change'. He's been very quiet on the matter

Mohammad bin Salman’s cheerleaders from Hollywood and Silicon Valley have also gone very quiet.

[98elise]

BlackLabel said:

Burwood said:

I wonder how Tony Blair is getting on with his 'Institute for change'. He's been very quiet on the matter

Mohammad bin Salman’s cheerleaders from Hollywood and Silicon Valley have also gone very quiet.

Honest question, why to people refer to him as Mohammad bin Salman when bin Salman means son of Salman (ie his father) and his family name is Al Saud.

His full name would be Mohammad bin Salman Al Saud

Is it normal to refer to the fathers name rather than the family name in the middle east?

[z4RRSchris]

98elise said:

Honest question, why to people refer to him as Mohammad bin Salman when bin Salman means son of Salman (ie his father) and his family name is Al Saud.

His full name would be Mohammad bin Salman Al Saud

Is it normal to refer to the fathers name rather than the family name in the middle east?

yes, because his full name is, Mohammad bin Salman bin Abdulaziz Al Saud , i.e. mohammed son of salman son of abdulaziz of the house of Saud.

They just keep chucking in son of son of son of...

easier to call him MBS, like everyone does.

[Eric Mc]

Audio recordings of the actual killing have been passed on to and heard by the Director of the FBI. I would expect that President Trump has either heard these too or soon will.

[Halb]

I am Thorin son of Thráin, son of Thrór King under the Mountain!

son of

Digger said:

Who? On the what?

Linky?

Tim the man, the show was POlitics LIve
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0bnk6lg/pol...

[98elise]

z4RRSchris said:

98elise said:

Honest question, why to people refer to him as Mohammad bin Salman when bin Salman means son of Salman (ie his father) and his family name is Al Saud.

His full name would be Mohammad bin Salman Al Saud

Is it normal to refer to the fathers name rather than the family name in the middle east?

yes, because his full name is, Mohammad bin Salman bin Abdulaziz Al Saud , i.e. mohammed son of salman son of abdulaziz of the house of Saud.

They just keep chucking in son of son of son of...

easier to call him MBS, like everyone does.

I just wondered if it's normal on here, in the UK, or in Saudi? Many years ago I spent some time in Bahrain (My father worked there) and I don't remember what the convention was. I did meet the previous king (Isa) while I was there but I don't remember the emphasis on bin Sulman rather than Al Khalifa.

[WCZ]

Eric Mc said:

Audio recordings of the actual killing have been passed on to and heard by the Director of the FBI. I would expect that President Trump has either heard these too or soon will.

won't make any difference

trump said and I quote:

"I want to believe him. I really want to believe him. They’ve been a very good ally. They’ve been a tremendous investor in our military equipment and other things. They buy tremendous amounts of things from our country. It probably amounts to millions of jobs, you know, a million jobs. That’s a lot of jobs. So I certainly want to believe him."

he just cares about money.

[Lucas Ayde]

WCZ said:

won't make any difference

trump said and I quote:

"I want to believe him. I really want to believe him. They’ve been a very good ally. They’ve been a tremendous investor in our military equipment and other things. They buy tremendous amounts of things from our country. It probably amounts to millions of jobs, you know, a million jobs. That’s a lot of jobs. So I certainly want to believe him."

he just cares about money.

Like every single previous American president and most of the other current Western leadership (with the notable exception of Germany).

[Lucas Ayde]

BlackLabel said:

Mohammad bin Salman’s cheerleaders from Hollywood and Silicon Valley have also gone very quiet.

Yes, the Silicon valley elite who LOVE to virtue signal about how moral and correct they are haven't had a whole lot to say, wonder why?

Mark Zuckerberg, CEO of Facebook, hasn't had much to say:

https://i1.wp.com/www.sopitas.com/wp-content/uploa...

Twitter boss Jack Dorsey unusually tight lipped too:

http://sustg.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/MBS-Tw...


The owner of Amazon.com and the Washington Post (Jeff Bezos) also not saying much about the savage murder of one of his writers, can't think why not?

http://gulfbusiness.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04...

[alfaman]

Zuckerberg has made an effort to dress up for the occasion

[TheJimi]

WCZ said:

won't make any difference

trump said and I quote:

"I want to believe him. I really want to believe him. They’ve been a very good ally. They’ve been a tremendous investor in our military equipment and other things. They buy tremendous amounts of things from our country. It probably amounts to millions of jobs, you know, a million jobs. That’s a lot of jobs. So I certainly want to believe him."

he just cares about money.

Money talks.

Tremendously.

[Justices]

Lucas Ayde said:

Yes, the Silicon valley elite who LOVE to virtue signal about how moral and correct they are haven't had a whole lot to say, wonder why?

Mark Zuckerberg, CEO of Facebook, hasn't had much to say:

https://i1.wp.com/www.sopitas.com/wp-content/uploa...

Twitter boss Jack Dorsey unusually tight lipped too:

http://sustg.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/MBS-Tw...


The owner of Amazon.com and the Washington Post (Jeff Bezos) also not saying much about the savage murder of one of his writers, can't think why not?

http://gulfbusiness.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04...

Is MBS gigantic or are the others just tiny?

Zuckerberg brought out his finest casual tee and booster pillow for the occasion?

Edited by Justices on Friday 26th October 01:15

[darreni]

TheJimi said:

WCZ said:

won't make any difference

trump said and I quote:

"I want to believe him. I really want to believe him. They’ve been a very good ally. They’ve been a tremendous investor in our military equipment and other things. They buy tremendous amounts of things from our country. It probably amounts to millions of jobs, you know, a million jobs. That’s a lot of jobs. So I certainly want to believe him."

he just cares about money.

Money talks.

Tremendously.

I’m no Trump fan, but he’s saying what every other government is thinking - how can we keep selling them our stuff.

[TheJimi]

darreni said:

TheJimi said:

WCZ said:

won't make any difference

trump said and I quote:

"I want to believe him. I really want to believe him. They’ve been a very good ally. They’ve been a tremendous investor in our military equipment and other things. They buy tremendous amounts of things from our country. It probably amounts to millions of jobs, you know, a million jobs. That’s a lot of jobs. So I certainly want to believe him."

he just cares about money.

Money talks.

Tremendously.

I’m no Trump fan, but he’s saying what every other government is thinking - how can we keep selling them our stuff.

Of course he is, and that's my point - money talks, and in this case, it makes a more compelling noise than a human getting dismembered.