How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 5)
Discussion
Vanden Saab said:
PurpleMoonlight said:
don'tbesilly said:
I think you'll find any bunch of MP's have more collective power than you give them credit for.
The same bunch of MP's as a collective within Labour have already stated they'll vote down any deal May gets from Brussels.
No they haven't.The same bunch of MP's as a collective within Labour have already stated they'll vote down any deal May gets from Brussels.
They have said that they will support a deal that complies with their six requirements.
ks and he will vote anything down just because its the tories and he wants a GETuna said:
Ghibli said:
You really don't get it do you Tuna.
Brexit is what is negotiated with the EU not fantasy MPs making a show for the gullible.
Oh I get it, you're working hard on the deflection, aren't you? You still haven't answered the question - do you think that she should continue to support a plan that she disagrees with and (in her current position) cannot influence? Brexit is what is negotiated with the EU not fantasy MPs making a show for the gullible.
She might be a fantasist - do you think she should should continue to support a plan that she disagrees with and (in her current position) cannot influence?
You tried to make a point out of her leaving and you know damn well you're a hypocrite for doing so.
If she can't come up with a suggestion for Brexit that will work she can't really moan about the way Brexit has turned out.
It would be hypocritical of her to say that remain voters should get behind Brexit and then threaten to leave because she doesn't like the reality of Brexit.
Ghibli said:
Tuna said:
Ghibli said:
You really don't get it do you Tuna.
Brexit is what is negotiated with the EU not fantasy MPs making a show for the gullible.
Oh I get it, you're working hard on the deflection, aren't you? You still haven't answered the question - do you think that she should continue to support a plan that she disagrees with and (in her current position) cannot influence? Brexit is what is negotiated with the EU not fantasy MPs making a show for the gullible.
She might be a fantasist - do you think she should should continue to support a plan that she disagrees with and (in her current position) cannot influence?
You tried to make a point out of her leaving and you know damn well you're a hypocrite for doing so.
Go to bed Ghibli, you're a troll.
Tuna said:
That's what I've been asking you repeatedly, and you've failed to answer.
Go to bed Ghibli, you're a troll.
Does calling someone a troll make you feel clever?Go to bed Ghibli, you're a troll.
Leadsom should stand by Brexit if she believes in it. Threatening to leave saying that it's not the Brexit she wants is ridiculous when nobody knew what Brexit would end up being.
She is just another MP making excuses for the failure of the Brexit she promoted.
I keep wondering, if we are getting some sort of deal, doesn't that technically still make us part of the EU? Brexit surely means Brexit? Like a hard Brexit? A soft Brexit isn't really a Brexit is it? I imagine that Brussels would still have some say on certain things. Or maybe i've got the wrong end of the stick here... could someone clear that up for me?
hooblah said:
I keep wondering, if we are getting some sort of deal, doesn't that technically still make us part of the EU? Brexit surely means Brexit? Like a hard Brexit? A soft Brexit isn't really a Brexit is it? I imagine that Brussels would still have some say on certain things. Or maybe i've got the wrong end of the stick here... could someone clear that up for me?
Brexit is the UK no longer being a member of the European Union.That is what was voted for.
hooblah said:
Ah yes. So what are they currently getting in a faff over then?
The politicians who promoted Brexit aren't getting what they thought they would get from the EU. They now need to make it look like some one has stopped them from achieving their Brexit dream. They can no longer blame the EU and are blaming May and remainers.I guess that is what you get when you have no plan and only words to feed the audience.
hooblah said:
I keep wondering, if we are getting some sort of deal, doesn't that technically still make us part of the EU? Brexit surely means Brexit? Like a hard Brexit? A soft Brexit isn't really a Brexit is it? I imagine that Brussels would still have some say on certain things. Or maybe i've got the wrong end of the stick here... could someone clear that up for me?
Of course they will still have some say on certain things. Similarly when we negotiate a FTA with India, for example, that will mean Delhi will have a say on certain things, and vice versa. (UK having a say on certain things in India)A German newspaper is reporting that the Brexit deal is done according to a leaked document from EU negotiators to their ambassadors and that the announcement would be made on Monday... No. 10 are denying this, It might explain why Davis is calling for a rebellion in cabinet and the recent vote and statement from the DUP earlier...
https://www.sueddeutsche.de/politik/eu-austritt-gr...
https://www.sueddeutsche.de/politik/eu-austritt-gr...
wisbech said:
Davis (and Johnson) come across as especially oblivious in that article. Our current politicians really are terrible.dazwalsh said:
Indeed, no one has a clue what those 6 requirements are. Its a load of bks and he will vote anything down just because its the tories and he wants a GE
Because you were too lazy to look before posting, here you go ...ks and he will vote anything down just because its the tories and he wants a GELabour’s six tests for Brexit:
Does it ensure a strong and collaborative future relationship with the EU?
Does it deliver the “exact same benefits” as we currently have as members of the Single Market and Customs Union?
Does it ensure the fair management of migration in the interests of the economy and communities?
Does it defend rights and protections and prevent a race to the bottom?
Does it protect national security and our capacity to tackle cross-border crime?
Does it deliver for all regions and nations of the UK?
PurpleMoonlight said:
dazwalsh said:
Indeed, no one has a clue what those 6 requirements are. Its a load of bks and he will vote anything down just because its the tories and he wants a GE
Because you were too lazy to look before posting, here you go ...ks and he will vote anything down just because its the tories and he wants a GELabour’s six tests for Brexit:
Does it ensure a strong and collaborative future relationship with the EU?
Does it deliver the “exact same benefits” as we currently have as members of the Single Market and Customs Union?
Does it ensure the fair management of migration in the interests of the economy and communities?
Does it defend rights and protections and prevent a race to the bottom?
Does it protect national security and our capacity to tackle cross-border crime?
Does it deliver for all regions and nations of the UK?
frisbee said:
wisbech said:
Davis (and Johnson) come across as especially oblivious in that article. Our current politicians really are terrible.Pity he isn't acting in the UK's best interests .... never mind a mutiny to oust May the cabinet would do far more good
if they f
ked Oily off .....amusingduck said:
PurpleMoonlight said:
dazwalsh said:
Indeed, no one has a clue what those 6 requirements are. Its a load of bks and he will vote anything down just because its the tories and he wants a GE
Because you were too lazy to look before posting, here you go ...ks and he will vote anything down just because its the tories and he wants a GELabour’s six tests for Brexit:
Does it ensure a strong and collaborative future relationship with the EU?
Does it deliver the “exact same benefits” as we currently have as members of the Single Market and Customs Union?
Does it ensure the fair management of migration in the interests of the economy and communities?
Does it defend rights and protections and prevent a race to the bottom?
Does it protect national security and our capacity to tackle cross-border crime?
Does it deliver for all regions and nations of the UK?
Deliberately compiled to ensure failure of one or more of the list to provide a reason to vote the deal down.
Quite a few Labour MP's have said as much.
Still if the Tories can't stop the lunatic May, we can rely on Labour
don'tbesilly said:
Reads like a list Corbyn, Starmer and Barnier have compiled, probably over tea & scones in Brussels.
Deliberately compiled to ensure failure of one or more of the list to provide a reason to vote the deal down.
Quite a few Labour MP's have said as much.
Still if the Tories can't stop the lunatic May, we can rely on Labour
Reads like a list of team leave promises to me, but I guess it's all open to interpretation.Deliberately compiled to ensure failure of one or more of the list to provide a reason to vote the deal down.
Quite a few Labour MP's have said as much.
Still if the Tories can't stop the lunatic May, we can rely on Labour
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