How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 5)

[don'tbesilly]

I understand the French are using extortion to force the UK to pay the £39 billion divorce bill.

I seem to recall some complaining about an MEP comparing the EU to the Mafia, seems the comparison was wrong, it's not the EU but one of their member countries

Lovely people the EU and some of it's member countries! Yet some can't get enough of them.

[FiF]

don'tbesilly said:

I understand the French are using extortion to force the UK to pay the £39 billion divorce bill.

I seem to recall some complaining about an MEP comparing the EU to the Mafia, seems the comparison was wrong, it's not the EU but one of their member countries

Lovely people the EU and some of it's member countries! Yet some can't get enough of them.

I've mentioned it once or twice but the natural enemy of the English, the French. ©Royal Navy

[PurpleMoonlight]

don'tbesilly said:

I understand the French are using extortion to force the UK to pay the £39 billion divorce bill.

I seem to recall some complaining about an MEP comparing the EU to the Mafia, seems the comparison was wrong, it's not the EU but one of their member countries

Lovely people the EU and some of it's member countries! Yet some can't get enough of them.

I seem to recall the UK doing its own bit of extortion with the divorce bill to get a trade deal, but I guess that's okay with you.

You don't like it when others use your own tactics against you huh.

[SpeckledJim]

I think it's all fair, to be honest.

What's a negotiation without a quiet threat underlying the conversation? Both sides have sticks and carrots.

[don'tbesilly]

PurpleMoonlight said:

don'tbesilly said:

I understand the French are using extortion to force the UK to pay the £39 billion divorce bill.

I seem to recall some complaining about an MEP comparing the EU to the Mafia, seems the comparison was wrong, it's not the EU but one of their member countries

Lovely people the EU and some of it's member countries! Yet some can't get enough of them.

I seem to recall the UK doing its own bit of extortion with the divorce bill to get a trade deal, but I guess that's okay with you.

You don't like it when others use your own tactics against you huh.

The UK are not using extortion.

Based on the evidence from various sources including the House of Lords, and the evidence of the EU agreeing to do a trade deal prior to the UK agreeing to paying the divorce bill, your post is incorrect.

By the way, the tactics are not mine.

[crankedup]

mx5nut said:

Remember, it's the fault of those who voted Remain not believing in the country enough who are to blame for Brexit going badly.

Yeah but, they are all old and grey and will be dead soon. Happy now?

[crankedup]

gruffalo said:

mx5nut said:

don'tbesilly said:

mx5nut said:

Remember, it's the fault of those who voted Remain not believing in the country enough who are to blame for Brexit going badly.

Bit part actor and unremarkable comedian, becomes better known for posting Remainer propaganda on Twitter, where the nut spends his life getting all dewy eyed and moist.

#Pray4mx5nut

Facts. The word you are looking for is facts.

Taken out of context ant reduced to a snippet that completely distorts the actual fact.

Take Reese Mog as an example, the real story is that a multi national hedge fund company does indeed open an office in Dublin because the market in Ireland has now reached a level where they need representatives in that country.

So not quite as put forward by this very badly constructed tweet, we it is badly constructed if he was trying to be factual but I somehow feel that wasn't his objective.

Indeed, problem is that remainers are so desperate to find anything that paints brexit in a bad light that they are reduced to this.

[psi310398]

don'tbesilly said:

I understand the French are using extortion to force the UK to pay the £39 billion divorce bill.

I seem to recall some complaining about an MEP comparing the EU to the Mafia, seems the comparison was wrong, it's not the EU but one of their member countries

Lovely people the EU and some of it's member countries! Yet some can't get enough of them.

Whether or not this is a real threat or one of those hypothetical scenarios that get turned into 'fact', it does mean that Brexit is yet again highlighting real geopolitical strategic weaknesses in the UK.

We really need to take the opportunity of leaving to fix these issues and make ourselves as self-reliant as possible so that we cannot be so vulnerable to being held hostage by any other country or group of countries in future.

The complexity of disentangling ourselves from the EU must teach our politicians and defence staff a lesson about what a parlous state they have allowed the country to fall into.

In geopolitical terms, it is simply a fact that France has historically been our enemy for far longer than we have had friendly relations. The EU has only been in existence since the 90s and we discover that even the German government has detailed strategic plans to deal with the collapse of the EU by 2040 (which is not to say that it thinks it is likely to happen, merely that it is plausible enough to plan for). So there is no guarantee that we will face a benign, or at least not actively hostile, France in the not too distant future.

[paulrockliffe]

Varadkar is an idiot. If the UK is in such a state that it's needing to go begging for money from Ireland, how much money does he think Ireland will have to lend given the Irish economy is so dependent on the UK economy?

He'll be too busy trying to work out how he's going to get food into his country to pick up the phone to a cash strapped Hammond.

[The Dangerous Elk]

Man feeling important and getting a bit full of himself and his self importance shocker !

[FiF]

The Dangerous Elk said:

Man feeling important and getting a bit full of himself and his self importance shocker !

He's Tusk et al making knobbish tweets and he's just wanting to be in with the gang, but not thought it through properly.

[don'tbesilly]

FiF said:

The Dangerous Elk said:

Man feeling important and getting a bit full of himself and his self importance shocker !

He's Tusk et al making knobbish tweets and he's just wanting to be in with the gang, but not thought it through properly.

Varadkar should have tweeted a photo of a cake iced as per a Euro note and usurped Tusk, Juncker would have fallen off his chair for the fifth time that day.

[gooner1]

mx5nut said:

In Brexiter fantasy land: The EU was holding us back - we will be the next silicon valley as soon as we've escaped their clutches.

Back in the real world: Britain is drawing up plans to charter ships to bring in food and medicines in the event of a “no-deal” Brexit next March

Sillicone valley Eh, you thinking of getting your tits fixed?

[gooner1]

DMN said:

UKIP MEP's where in Brussels in force yesterday for just about the first time ever. Where they fighting for the UK to get the best terms possible?


Where they fk! It was a meeting on their benefits/pay post-brexit. Contemptible scum.

Indeed, but tbh I'm more concerned that every MEP has a 4400 euro a month
Expence allowance that they do not have to account to anybody on how it is spent.

There are 600 or so MEPs atm.

[psi310398]

gooner1 said:

SNIP

There are 600 or so MEPs atm.

I assume you meant ATM as in the banking abbreviation...?

[The Dangerous Elk]

psi310398 said:

gooner1 said:

SNIP

There are 600 or so MEPs always at an atm.

I assume you meant ATM as in the banking abbreviation...?

Better ?

[psi310398]

The Dangerous Elk said:

Better ?

Much, thank you

[SpeckledJim]

psi310398 said:

gooner1 said:

SNIP

There are 600 or so MEPs atm.

I assume you meant ATM as in the banking abbreviation...?

And I thought he meant it in the, err, other abbreviation.

[gooner1]

It's likely all definitions are correct,

[B'stard Child]

The Dangerous Elk said:

psi310398 said:

gooner1 said:

SNIP

There are 600 or so MEPs always at an atm.

I assume you meant ATM as in the banking abbreviation...?

Better ?

Coke and Hookers can't be bought on "Plastic" so need to get regular cash