How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 5)
Discussion
desolate said:
Jockman said:
Hard Brexit. Tory leadership election. Labour still in the wilderness.
Labour in the wilderness for the foreseeable no matter what outcome I reckon.Interesting that you think that hard brexit is the likely outcome.
As pointed out by this guy:
Keir Starmer when asked Labour Brexit negotiating position on BBC R4 Today, said two main things (amongst other stuff):
1) Labour wants to stay in Customs Union forever.
2) Labour wants exactly the same benefits as we had before.
In other words as JH said we are in effect staying in under Labour.
Stand to be corrected, but what I believe I heard circa 8.15 - 8.25am 15/10/2018 if someone wants to do a fact check.
1) Labour wants to stay in Customs Union forever.
2) Labour wants exactly the same benefits as we had before.
In other words as JH said we are in effect staying in under Labour.
Stand to be corrected, but what I believe I heard circa 8.15 - 8.25am 15/10/2018 if someone wants to do a fact check.
Apologies if this has been mentioned; I tend not to go back through the rapidly increasing number of pages on this subject but...
The venerable Tony Blair, whom many Britons adored and voted into power once upon a time, recently took full responsibility for the Immigration Issues many Leave Voters blamed the EU for.
Has that been discussed? Just lobbing it in, in case anyone wants to explore it further.
He admitted it was his Governments Policy to open the borders and to significantly weaken the entry requirements and deliberately entice foreigners to live and work in the UK.
He further went on to say had he would have "fixed the problem" himself, blah blah weasel-words etc from a Politician.
Anyway, the point being, he has demonstrated that the UK Immigration Issues are entirely self-inflicted by the UK's own Governance and not anything the EU has enforced upon the UK.
I mention this because I still come across Leaver's who refuse to accept that bad judgement by UK Government has caused much of the problems Leaver's voted out for. That bad judgement is not going to go away by leaving...you will still have it and if they want to increase the work-force, they will simply allow more from other parts of the World in - easily done, as it will be sold as a part of a tremendous Trade Deal with the Chinese, for example.
So...how long after Leave, will it take for the National Dish to become a Chinese Takeaway, dethroning the Curry?
Have a lovely day folks! My advice: don't waste precious time on an internet Forum arguing with people you'll never meet and get all gammony over; get out and live Life. Reserve this only for fleeting moments between more interesting stuff.
The venerable Tony Blair, whom many Britons adored and voted into power once upon a time, recently took full responsibility for the Immigration Issues many Leave Voters blamed the EU for.
Has that been discussed? Just lobbing it in, in case anyone wants to explore it further.
He admitted it was his Governments Policy to open the borders and to significantly weaken the entry requirements and deliberately entice foreigners to live and work in the UK.
He further went on to say had he would have "fixed the problem" himself, blah blah weasel-words etc from a Politician.
Anyway, the point being, he has demonstrated that the UK Immigration Issues are entirely self-inflicted by the UK's own Governance and not anything the EU has enforced upon the UK.
I mention this because I still come across Leaver's who refuse to accept that bad judgement by UK Government has caused much of the problems Leaver's voted out for. That bad judgement is not going to go away by leaving...you will still have it and if they want to increase the work-force, they will simply allow more from other parts of the World in - easily done, as it will be sold as a part of a tremendous Trade Deal with the Chinese, for example.
So...how long after Leave, will it take for the National Dish to become a Chinese Takeaway, dethroning the Curry?
Have a lovely day folks! My advice: don't waste precious time on an internet Forum arguing with people you'll never meet and get all gammony over; get out and live Life. Reserve this only for fleeting moments between more interesting stuff.
Negotiations going right down to the wire - well, who’d have thunk it! Looks to me like Raab has a backbone and shown the EU some ‘teeth’ at long last. Barnier now has to explain to ‘the 27’ how he has failed to break up the UK.
Meanwhile May, Macron and Merkel all taking a bit of a beating back home.
At long last things might just get properly serious and a bit ‘tasty’ over the next week or so!
Meanwhile May, Macron and Merkel all taking a bit of a beating back home.
At long last things might just get properly serious and a bit ‘tasty’ over the next week or so!
Coolbanana said:
Apologies if this has been mentioned; I tend not to go back through the rapidly increasing number of pages on this subject but...
The venerable Tony Blair, whom many Britons adored and voted into power once upon a time, recently took full responsibility for the Immigration Issues many Leave Voters blamed the EU for.
Has that been discussed? Just lobbing it in, in case anyone wants to explore it further.
He admitted it was his Governments Policy to open the borders and to significantly weaken the entry requirements and deliberately entice foreigners to live and work in the UK.
He further went on to say had he would have "fixed the problem" himself, blah blah weasel-words etc from a Politician.
Anyway, the point being, he has demonstrated that the UK Immigration Issues are entirely self-inflicted by the UK's own Governance and not anything the EU has enforced upon the UK.
I mention this because I still come across Leaver's who refuse to accept that bad judgement by UK Government has caused much of the problems Leaver's voted out for. That bad judgement is not going to go away by leaving...you will still have it and if they want to increase the work-force, they will simply allow more from other parts of the World in - easily done, as it will be sold as a part of a tremendous Trade Deal with the Chinese, for example.
So...how long after Leave, will it take for the National Dish to become a Chinese Takeaway, dethroning the Curry?
Have a lovely day folks! My advice: don't waste precious time on an internet Forum arguing with people you'll never meet and get all gammony over; get out and live Life. Reserve this only for fleeting moments between more interesting stuff.
God you are boring.The venerable Tony Blair, whom many Britons adored and voted into power once upon a time, recently took full responsibility for the Immigration Issues many Leave Voters blamed the EU for.
Has that been discussed? Just lobbing it in, in case anyone wants to explore it further.
He admitted it was his Governments Policy to open the borders and to significantly weaken the entry requirements and deliberately entice foreigners to live and work in the UK.
He further went on to say had he would have "fixed the problem" himself, blah blah weasel-words etc from a Politician.
Anyway, the point being, he has demonstrated that the UK Immigration Issues are entirely self-inflicted by the UK's own Governance and not anything the EU has enforced upon the UK.
I mention this because I still come across Leaver's who refuse to accept that bad judgement by UK Government has caused much of the problems Leaver's voted out for. That bad judgement is not going to go away by leaving...you will still have it and if they want to increase the work-force, they will simply allow more from other parts of the World in - easily done, as it will be sold as a part of a tremendous Trade Deal with the Chinese, for example.
So...how long after Leave, will it take for the National Dish to become a Chinese Takeaway, dethroning the Curry?
Have a lovely day folks! My advice: don't waste precious time on an internet Forum arguing with people you'll never meet and get all gammony over; get out and live Life. Reserve this only for fleeting moments between more interesting stuff.
But not quite as boring as being sat in the freight port in Calais working my way through security and check in for the stinky bus. (Eurotunnel freight train).
So far been queuing for an hour.
Has the economy crashed yet?
jsf said:
God you are boring.
But not quite as boring as being sat in the freight port in Calais working my way through security and check in for the stinky bus. (Eurotunnel freight train).
So far been queuing for an hour.
Has the economy crashed yet?
Yep, Land Rover have closed thanks to you and BrexitBut not quite as boring as being sat in the freight port in Calais working my way through security and check in for the stinky bus. (Eurotunnel freight train).
So far been queuing for an hour.
Has the economy crashed yet?
The Dangerous Elk said:
jsf said:
God you are boring.
But not quite as boring as being sat in the freight port in Calais working my way through security and check in for the stinky bus. (Eurotunnel freight train).
So far been queuing for an hour.
Has the economy crashed yet?
Yep, Land Rover have closed thanks to you and BrexitBut not quite as boring as being sat in the freight port in Calais working my way through security and check in for the stinky bus. (Eurotunnel freight train).
So far been queuing for an hour.
Has the economy crashed yet?
Sales in China has fallen dramatically, so when did China join the EU?
Keep clutching at straws.
king queue isn't. 
Coolbanana said:
I mention this because I still come across Leaver's who refuse to accept that bad judgement by UK Government has caused much of the problems Leaver's voted out for. That bad judgement is not going to go away by leaving...you will still have it and if they want to increase the work-force, they will simply allow more from other parts of the World in - easily done, as it will be sold as a part of a tremendous Trade Deal with the Chinese, for example.
If you stopped putting that apostrophe there, I'd believe you actually read replies to your hit and run posts... but...FWIW I think it's true that Blair's policy was a political concept that turned out not to work in the real world. Growing up in Coventry, the idea that New Labour had invented multiculturalism to 'fix' immigrant societies was hilarious. The subsequent flatlining of UK productivity shows what happens if you have an unconstrained, cheap labour force - industry becomes completely reliant on a constant influx of bodies.
The CBI and indeed the Treasury still base a big chunk of their policies on the idea that growth only comes from increasing the labour force and nothing else. Their response to the Referendum was as daft as that of the Leavers - they also treated membership of the EU as a source of endless immigration - the difference being they thought that was a good thing. So both sides treated immigration as a defining feature of EU membership.
That said, we've done the immigration/xenophobic discussion enough times to have established that the Referendum was not won/lost over border policies alone. If that was the sole issue, the government could have easily fixed it - one trip to Brussels, claim we've got a special exemption and start turning down a few more people at the borders.
So, in reality I think immigration was a poster child for the general dissatisfaction with Brussels and the lazy relationship our Government (of both flavours) had built with the EU. Our MPs had got into the habit of deferring to an imaginary committee that was responsible for 'everything'. Our universities believe that research funding comes from Europe, bin collections are decided by Europe, our taxes are decided by Europe... the list goes on.
That was the shock of the Referendum. Not only was it saying 'we don't want to be part of the political project', but also 'we want our government to take responsibility'. That last bit is really significant, and it's going to take a while for it to sink in. Blair's decade-late mea-culpa is a sign that politicians are having to actually own their decisions rather than swanning around pretending that a higher power has decided what's best for us.
Coolbanana said:
Apologies if this has been mentioned; I tend not to go back through the rapidly increasing number of pages on this subject but...
The venerable Tony Blair, whom many Britons adored and voted into power once upon a time, recently took full responsibility for the Immigration Issues many Leave Voters blamed the EU for.
Has that been discussed? Just lobbing it in, in case anyone wants to explore it further.
He admitted it was his Governments Policy to open the borders and to significantly weaken the entry requirements and deliberately entice foreigners to live and work in the UK.
He further went on to say had he would have "fixed the problem" himself, blah blah weasel-words etc from a Politician.
Anyway, the point being, he has demonstrated that the UK Immigration Issues are entirely self-inflicted by the UK's own Governance and not anything the EU has enforced upon the UK.
I mention this because I still come across Leaver's who refuse to accept that bad judgement by UK Government has caused much of the problems Leaver's voted out for. That bad judgement is not going to go away by leaving...you will still have it and if they want to increase the work-force, they will simply allow more from other parts of the World in - easily done, as it will be sold as a part of a tremendous Trade Deal with the Chinese, for example.
So...how long after Leave, will it take for the National Dish to become a Chinese Takeaway, dethroning the Curry?
Have a lovely day folks! My advice: don't waste precious time on an internet Forum arguing with people you'll never meet and get all gammony over; get out and live Life. Reserve this only for fleeting moments between more interesting stuff.
The venerable Tony Blair, whom many Britons adored and voted into power once upon a time, recently took full responsibility for the Immigration Issues many Leave Voters blamed the EU for.
Has that been discussed? Just lobbing it in, in case anyone wants to explore it further.
He admitted it was his Governments Policy to open the borders and to significantly weaken the entry requirements and deliberately entice foreigners to live and work in the UK.
He further went on to say had he would have "fixed the problem" himself, blah blah weasel-words etc from a Politician.
Anyway, the point being, he has demonstrated that the UK Immigration Issues are entirely self-inflicted by the UK's own Governance and not anything the EU has enforced upon the UK.
I mention this because I still come across Leaver's who refuse to accept that bad judgement by UK Government has caused much of the problems Leaver's voted out for. That bad judgement is not going to go away by leaving...you will still have it and if they want to increase the work-force, they will simply allow more from other parts of the World in - easily done, as it will be sold as a part of a tremendous Trade Deal with the Chinese, for example.
So...how long after Leave, will it take for the National Dish to become a Chinese Takeaway, dethroning the Curry?
Have a lovely day folks! My advice: don't waste precious time on an internet Forum arguing with people you'll never meet and get all gammony over; get out and live Life. Reserve this only for fleeting moments between more interesting stuff.
The Dangerous Elk said:
Blair is NOT a politician , he is a lobbyist and an activist.
Well yes, the other thing to point out is: why is he apologising now? There are a whole load of things he's never apologised for, but suddenly he's got a conscience over immigration? Of course not. He's trying to lay the blame for the Referendum on thick Leavers who didn't understand his obvious mistake. Well duh! Let's all vote again!! Good job smart people like Mr Banana see right through such tricks.
Coolbanana said:
The venerable Tony Blair, whom many Britons adored and voted into power once upon a time, recently took full responsibility for the Immigration Issues many Leave Voters blamed the EU for.
Has that been discussed? Just lobbing it in, in case anyone wants to explore it further.
He admitted it was his Governments Policy to open the borders and to significantly weaken the entry requirements and deliberately entice foreigners to live and work in the UK.
Actually true and a fair point, although what escapes you is that, in more recent years, it has been the EU's door policy which has driven most illegal immigration into the UK.Has that been discussed? Just lobbing it in, in case anyone wants to explore it further.
He admitted it was his Governments Policy to open the borders and to significantly weaken the entry requirements and deliberately entice foreigners to live and work in the UK.
Coolbanana said:
So...how long after Leave, will it take for the National Dish to become a Chinese Takeaway, dethroning the Curry?
Erm.... never. The UK and the Indian sub-continent have long established cultural and commercial ties. Indian cuisine has been a fixture in UK towns for far longer than it has even in major continental European cities.Ghibli said:
You just don't get it do you.
The problems in the real negotiations need to be addressed and resolved. Without that there will be no deal.
Saying they have been addressed on PH and resolved is just fantasy. You keep telling me that I have been told but you can't work out that it is BS and the negotiations are not moving forward and the same problems are still there.
For about the fifth time in as many pages in going to have to explain to you that PH is not running the negotiations.The problems in the real negotiations need to be addressed and resolved. Without that there will be no deal.
Saying they have been addressed on PH and resolved is just fantasy. You keep telling me that I have been told but you can't work out that it is BS and the negotiations are not moving forward and the same problems are still there.
I can't speak for the other posters on here, but the point being made is that the compromise is one to be negotiated and that there are options out there that don't break either the EU or the UK. However, to date we have had people like you treating the impasse as though it makes Brexit impossible.
You still haven't explained how much the Chequers customs proposal will cost or how much time it will take to implement. The reason I'm pushing you on this is that the only reason for such an unnecessarily expensive and complicated solution is that May has allowed NI to drive the negotiations.
I think that's a bad idea. I also believe some people hope that it can't be solved so we have to abandon Brexit. NI is not an impossible problem unless we allow it to be so.
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