How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 5)
Discussion
toppstuff said:
Once this is done people will eventually look around. If they had a crappy life before brexit it will still be crappy.
Then the remorse will kick in.
It won't though will it... most people simply don't give a crap about any of it. Those that do - I'd say the majority will shrug their shoulders and get on with it. Outside of this forum and those on other social media I'd say that people really just don't care that much either way.Then the remorse will kick in.
toppstuff said:
Before Brexit life in the UK was such that in general a person is free to pursue any legal path they want.
Worship any god they choose.
Move around where they choose.
Eat what they choose.
Do whatever you want to make a living.
Read and watch what you choose.
People always had all they need to make it in life in a way that suits them , or not. It’s up to us.
How brexit became a religion based on nothing but hope and faith beats me. A faith that somehow persuaded people that life would be somehow brighter shinier and better if we left.
This is horse sh it of course.
Once this is done people will eventually look around. If they had a crappy life before brexit it will still be crappy.
Then the remorse will kick in.
Which god are we no longer allowed to worship?Worship any god they choose.
Move around where they choose.
Eat what they choose.
Do whatever you want to make a living.
Read and watch what you choose.
People always had all they need to make it in life in a way that suits them , or not. It’s up to us.
How brexit became a religion based on nothing but hope and faith beats me. A faith that somehow persuaded people that life would be somehow brighter shinier and better if we left.
This is horse sh it of course.
Once this is done people will eventually look around. If they had a crappy life before brexit it will still be crappy.
Then the remorse will kick in.
Which foods can't we eat?
What can't we read and watch?
These are the sorts of ludicrous lies you were bemoaning in Ref2016 and claiming wouldn't apply to the 'People's Vote', now that we are better informed!
Please up your game.
toppstuff said:
Before Brexit life in the UK was such that in general a person is free to pursue any legal path they want.
Worship any god they choose.
Move around where they choose.
Eat what they choose.
Do whatever you want to make a living.
Read and watch what you choose.
People always had all they need to make it in life in a way that suits them , or not. It’s up to us.
How brexit became a religion based on nothing but hope and faith beats me. A faith that somehow persuaded people that life would be somehow brighter shinier and better if we left.
This is horse sh it of course.
Once this is done people will eventually look around. If they had a crappy life before brexit it will still be crappy.
Then the remorse will kick in.
Dream on. And tell the Greeks, and maybe soon the Italians that. When the sWorship any god they choose.
Move around where they choose.
Eat what they choose.
Do whatever you want to make a living.
Read and watch what you choose.
People always had all they need to make it in life in a way that suits them , or not. It’s up to us.
How brexit became a religion based on nothing but hope and faith beats me. A faith that somehow persuaded people that life would be somehow brighter shinier and better if we left.
This is horse sh it of course.
Once this is done people will eventually look around. If they had a crappy life before brexit it will still be crappy.
Then the remorse will kick in.
t hits the fan in the Eurozone, and it will, we want to be standing as clear as we can from it.SpeckledJim said:
Which god are we no longer allowed to worship?
Which foods can't we eat?
What can't we read and watch?
These are the sorts of ludicrous lies you were bemoaning in Ref2016 and claiming wouldn't apply to the 'People's Vote', now that we are better informed!
Please up your game.
Poor comprehension. Read it again. Which foods can't we eat?
What can't we read and watch?
These are the sorts of ludicrous lies you were bemoaning in Ref2016 and claiming wouldn't apply to the 'People's Vote', now that we are better informed!
Please up your game.
I’m merely pointing out that if people have a crap life now it will still be crap under brexit.
I’m also stating the bleeding obvious - there is nothing you can do after brexit that you could not do before brexit.
Please keep up.
SpeckledJim said:
I'm not amazed that those are your findings. But there's plenty of graphs around showing a large minority of EU citizens are no fans of the EU.
If you are an EU citizen and your European business is about to suffer because between Brussels and May, you're going to have to handle No Deal, then a complaint to Brussels is reasonable.
They'll tell you to shut up, because the sanctity of the project is more important than your job, and those of your employees, and you'll have to just lump it...and maybe you'll vote differently in the next elections...
Hang on a second, when UK businesses have said that Brexit will hurt their business its always:If you are an EU citizen and your European business is about to suffer because between Brussels and May, you're going to have to handle No Deal, then a complaint to Brussels is reasonable.
They'll tell you to shut up, because the sanctity of the project is more important than your job, and those of your employees, and you'll have to just lump it...and maybe you'll vote differently in the next elections...
- The business is weak anyway,
- The sanctity of the brexit project is more important
- Business will always find away.
And yet apparently the reverse never applies?
s2art said:
When the st hits the fan in the Eurozone, and it will, we want to be standing as clear as we can from it.
A well known fund manager friend of mine said exactly the same to me last week. I was surprised, as I had expected him to be firmly Remain.t hits the fan in the Eurozone, and it will, we want to be standing as clear as we can from it.At the same meeting, it was also clear that international investors didn’t care about Brexit in the slightest.
toppstuff said:
Before Brexit life in the UK was such that in general a person is free to pursue any legal path they want.
Worship any god they choose.
Move around where they choose.
Eat what they choose.
Do whatever you want to make a living.
Read and watch what you choose.
People always had all they need to make it in life in a way that suits them , or not. It’s up to us.
How brexit became a religion based on nothing but hope and faith beats me. A faith that somehow persuaded people that life would be somehow brighter shinier and better if we left.
This is horse sh it of course.
Once this is done people will eventually look around. If they had a crappy life before brexit it will still be crappy.
Then the remorse will kick in.
Oh dear, another Coolbanana.Worship any god they choose.
Move around where they choose.
Eat what they choose.
Do whatever you want to make a living.
Read and watch what you choose.
People always had all they need to make it in life in a way that suits them , or not. It’s up to us.
How brexit became a religion based on nothing but hope and faith beats me. A faith that somehow persuaded people that life would be somehow brighter shinier and better if we left.
This is horse sh it of course.
Once this is done people will eventually look around. If they had a crappy life before brexit it will still be crappy.
Then the remorse will kick in.
With an Uncle like toppstuff it's little wonder the poor 16 yr old nephew is being indoctrinated at such a young age.
I'm sure the poor mite will come through though, he just needs a qualification in Aviation law, that will sort him out.
Remorse
It's like being preached to by a Rabid Remainer Rector, who keeps a herd of Wildebeest in the vicarage garden
toppstuff said:
Across the EU the general attitude to brexit is “ oh my god the UK leaving is a disaster !” any way let’s talk about Italy etc etc”.
You're probably correct, it will be Italy next......Regarding your etc etc, who do you think will leave after Italy. Greece or Czech Republic?
cookie118 said:
SpeckledJim said:
I'm not amazed that those are your findings. But there's plenty of graphs around showing a large minority of EU citizens are no fans of the EU.
If you are an EU citizen and your European business is about to suffer because between Brussels and May, you're going to have to handle No Deal, then a complaint to Brussels is reasonable.
They'll tell you to shut up, because the sanctity of the project is more important than your job, and those of your employees, and you'll have to just lump it...and maybe you'll vote differently in the next elections...
Hang on a second, when UK businesses have said that Brexit will hurt their business its always:If you are an EU citizen and your European business is about to suffer because between Brussels and May, you're going to have to handle No Deal, then a complaint to Brussels is reasonable.
They'll tell you to shut up, because the sanctity of the project is more important than your job, and those of your employees, and you'll have to just lump it...and maybe you'll vote differently in the next elections...
- The business is weak anyway,
- The sanctity of the brexit project is more important
- Business will always find away.
And yet apparently the reverse never applies?
For EU businesses that trade with the UK, it's all bad news. Extra friction with their UK sales, and zero benefit with the rest of the world.
Of all the potential trade losers of Brexit, I think it's EU businesses who do a lot of business with the UK who are likely to be worst off. And it's Brussels who are held to account by the people who own and run and work in those businesses, not the UK govt.
If I was French or German, selling to or buying from the UK, and could see Brussels playing politics instead of providing me with the protection I pay them for then I'd be disappointed, to say the least.
don'tbesilly said:
Oh dear, another Coolbanana.
With an Uncle like toppstuff it's little wonder the poor 16 yr old nephew is being indoctrinated at such a young age.
I'm sure the poor mite will come through though, he just needs a qualification in Aviation law, that will sort him out.
Remorse
It's like being preached to by a Rabid Remainer Rector, who keeps a herd of Wildebeest in the vicarage garden
So how specifically will your life be better after brexit ? With an Uncle like toppstuff it's little wonder the poor 16 yr old nephew is being indoctrinated at such a young age.
I'm sure the poor mite will come through though, he just needs a qualification in Aviation law, that will sort him out.
Remorse
It's like being preached to by a Rabid Remainer Rector, who keeps a herd of Wildebeest in the vicarage garden
What does brexit allow you to do that you could not do before ?
Crackie said:
toppstuff said:
Across the EU the general attitude to brexit is “ oh my god the UK leaving is a disaster !” any way let’s talk about Italy etc etc”.
You're probably correct, it will be Italy next......Regarding your etc etc, who do you think will leave after Italy. Greece or Czech Republic?
The fallout from them walking away from half a trillion euros of non-repayable debt will tear the rest apart, as they'll no longer be able to ignore the blue whale in the room that is the fiscal transfers with zero control or mechanism for repayment that is Target2.
SpeckledJim said:
toppstuff said:
So how specifically will your life be better after brexit ?
What does brexit allow you to do that you could not do before ?
Cheaper chicken. fWhat does brexit allow you to do that you could not do before ?
king love chicken, me.SpeckledJim said:
No, both apply. But for UK business any additional friction between the UK and EU is going to be partly or completely ameliorated by new opportunities outside the EU.
For EU businesses that trade with the UK, it's all bad news. Extra friction with their UK sales, and zero benefit with the rest of the world.
Of all the potential trade losers of Brexit, I think it's EU businesses who do a lot of business with the UK who are likely to be worst off. And it's Brussels who are held to account by the people who own and run and work in those businesses, not the UK govt.
If I was French or German, selling to or buying from the UK, and could see Brussels playing politics instead of providing me with the protection I pay them for then I'd be disappointed, to say the least.
I've seen virtually no UK businesses talking about concrete Brexit positives yet (not justsome airy-fairy "potentials", and a huge amount talking about concrete negatives. Can you prove that more businesses have said lost trade with the EU will be amerliorated by new opportunities?For EU businesses that trade with the UK, it's all bad news. Extra friction with their UK sales, and zero benefit with the rest of the world.
Of all the potential trade losers of Brexit, I think it's EU businesses who do a lot of business with the UK who are likely to be worst off. And it's Brussels who are held to account by the people who own and run and work in those businesses, not the UK govt.
If I was French or German, selling to or buying from the UK, and could see Brussels playing politics instead of providing me with the protection I pay them for then I'd be disappointed, to say the least.
And the EU have a very easy out from this-The UK chose to leave!
You seem to be surprised that the EU and its citizens would choose business over politics when the UK people and government have done so time and time again with Brexit.
Sway said:
Crackie said:
toppstuff said:
Across the EU the general attitude to brexit is “ oh my god the UK leaving is a disaster !” any way let’s talk about Italy etc etc”.
You're probably correct, it will be Italy next......Regarding your etc etc, who do you think will leave after Italy. Greece or Czech Republic?
The fallout from them walking away from half a trillion euros of non-repayable debt will tear the rest apart, as they'll no longer be able to ignore the blue whale in the room that is the fiscal transfers with zero control or mechanism for repayment that is Target2.
Leaving now is stupid, the euro debt crisis is just getting good. We've got front-row seats, and you want us to go and sit in the car park!?
loafer123 said:
s2art said:
When the st hits the fan in the Eurozone, and it will, we want to be standing as clear as we can from it.
A well known fund manager friend of mine said exactly the same to me last week. I was surprised, as I had expected him to be firmly Remain.t hits the fan in the Eurozone, and it will, we want to be standing as clear as we can from it.At the same meeting, it was also clear that international investors didn’t care about Brexit in the slightest.
To balance, I work for a European listed company and we have paused (not cancelled) planned UK investments until H2 next year. We also passed on some mid-size acquisitions (the £10-50M range) due to Brexit uncertainty.
toppstuff said:
don'tbesilly said:
Oh dear, another Coolbanana.
With an Uncle like toppstuff it's little wonder the poor 16 yr old nephew is being indoctrinated at such a young age.
I'm sure the poor mite will come through though, he just needs a qualification in Aviation law, that will sort him out.
Remorse
It's like being preached to by a Rabid Remainer Rector, who keeps a herd of Wildebeest in the vicarage garden
So how specifically will your life be better after brexit ? With an Uncle like toppstuff it's little wonder the poor 16 yr old nephew is being indoctrinated at such a young age.
I'm sure the poor mite will come through though, he just needs a qualification in Aviation law, that will sort him out.
Remorse
It's like being preached to by a Rabid Remainer Rector, who keeps a herd of Wildebeest in the vicarage garden
What does brexit allow you to do that you could not do before ?
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