How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 5)
Discussion
Rich_W said:
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hstewie said:
hstewie said: I asked for EU plates and the guy at the dealership was telling me that he has no end of customers who insist on not having EU plates despite having just purchased a German car.
Do we really need to explain the difference between Germany, a lovely country with a long history and generally nice people and the EU? No wonder you voted to Remain. No concept of what you were voting forYou can be pro BMW. Pro Germany even. And still anti-Eu.
To dredge up any form of hatred for any EU nation is idiotic and allows the cause of the issue - the EU elite - off the hook. The people and even the national politicians of the EU nations are not to blame.
Mind you, having said all that, the French are bolshy
s at times.mx5nut said:
Like their original vote, all Brexiters have their own version of "no deal" that specifically makes provisions ensuring they and their nearest and dearest escape any negative side effects.
Like their original vote, they'll end up disappointed and furious if it comes to pass.
Dissapointed and furious Eh. Like their original vote, they'll end up disappointed and furious if it comes to pass.
I've been unreliably informed that a brisk March round our capital is a marvellous
way to dissipate those feelings.
Can you confirm this?
Vanden Saab said:
It is very easy to do as Remnants have helpfully provided lists... http://www.eumemes.eu/brexit-boycott-lists.html
i have a copy of that saved 
Digga said:
ust ten years after WW2 Sterlng Moss was happy to race for the Mercedes Grand .Prix team. My great uncle, a WW2 pilot who flew everything from spies into France, at night, in Lysanders, through Halifaxes, to being part of the 1,000 bomber raids in a Lancaster, mostly drove Mercedes cars, partly I believe, through guilt about bombing the cities.
To dredge up any form of hatred for any EU nation is idiotic and allows the cause of the issue - the EU elite - off the hook. The people and even the national politicians of the EU nations are not to blame.
Mind you, having said all that, the French are bolshys at times.
well said, any ire that exists needs directed at the right target.To dredge up any form of hatred for any EU nation is idiotic and allows the cause of the issue - the EU elite - off the hook. The people and even the national politicians of the EU nations are not to blame.
Mind you, having said all that, the French are bolshy
s at times.
braddo said:
Sway said:
Excellent. How much "knuckling down" do they expect to have to do to unwind €2Trillion of off balance sheet, non repayable debt to them?
They have little to worry about compared to the UK's long term position.IMF: UK’s public finances among the weakest in the world
"The findings also revealed that the UK government has less than £3 trn in assets and £5 trn of liabilities, revealing a negative net worth of more than £2 trn."
https://www.publicfinance.co.uk/news/2018/10/imf-u...
But we're in a really strong position to negotiate trade deals with the rest of the world. The one Brexit economist admits his no-deal Brexit dream means that manufacturing will die in the UK. Not sure what we're going to sell to the rest of the world then... Not a single country will wring concessions out of the UK in its desperation to conclude trade deals after it leaves the EU - because trade negotiation isn't hard headed self interested negotiation....
Why bother asking annoying questions like this. Brexit is simple, just get on with it!
The leading Brexit economist, Patrick Minford:
"Minford admits his model predicts that the policy would cause the ‘elimination’ of UK manufacturing and a large increase in wage inequality. "
http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2017/08/23/economist...
This is why the Labour heartlands voted for Brexit, right?
Or perhaps they voted Leave because UK governments (NOT the EU) had neglected their regions after mining and manufacturing had been decimated in the early 80s? Perhaps they were protest votes?
Perhaps they were votes for the easy lies the Leave campaign relied upon - £350m per week for the NHS; stop paying into the EU while still getting all the benefits of Single Market access; striking our own trade deals with the rest of the world (which not a single industry in the UK, in 2 years, has supported as a trade-off for leaving the EU).
But it's all so simple, I don't understand why 'they' don't just get on with Brexit.
"Minford admits his model predicts that the policy would cause the ‘elimination’ of UK manufacturing and a large increase in wage inequality. "
http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2017/08/23/economist...
This is why the Labour heartlands voted for Brexit, right?
Or perhaps they voted Leave because UK governments (NOT the EU) had neglected their regions after mining and manufacturing had been decimated in the early 80s? Perhaps they were protest votes?
Perhaps they were votes for the easy lies the Leave campaign relied upon - £350m per week for the NHS; stop paying into the EU while still getting all the benefits of Single Market access; striking our own trade deals with the rest of the world (which not a single industry in the UK, in 2 years, has supported as a trade-off for leaving the EU).
But it's all so simple, I don't understand why 'they' don't just get on with Brexit.
I had a very anxious request from a customer today regarding our Brexit Planning. MD seeing the news and getting into a lather I would wager.
Here is my email reply. I may have used some form of these words earlier in a post on this or a similar thread.
"I hereby acknowledge receipt of the letter requesting an update as to our Brexit planning.
I shall put a formal reply to yourselves next week but informally I feel that there is a tremendous amount of hysteria being whipped up about a "no deal" scenario, if this arises, which it in no way deserves.
A quick example.
The current EU Tariff which the EU applies to our products from non EU countries, and which if a "no deal" scenario arises the UK would have to apply to import under WTO rules, would be that which applies to Soap.
I have my suspicions that this tariff was thought up by the French as they use less soap per head than any other country in the EU but thats an aside.
Anyway, the tariff on Soap and Cleaning products that we as importers would have to pay is 1.5%. This may change but it is highly unlikely. To do so, under WTO rules, the EU would then have to change their tariff levels on this class of products for every other country in the world.
Therefore the maximum Tariff cost we are likely to see will be 1.5% on the goods and perhaps a small additional import paperwork cost levied by the transportation company which has yet to be estimated.
Given that the exchange rate movement post referendum was an immediate 15% addition to our purchase costs we are quite sanguine about the impact of any imposed tariff. A 1.5% Tariff pales into insignificance versus exchange rate movements.
The greatest danger will be from short term disruption at the port of Dover.
It will, of course, make a change for disruption to take place on our side of the channel given the propensity for any group of disgruntled French or Belgian farmers, transport workers etc to set up barricades and have an impromptu lamb BBQ on the main motorway outside Calais anytime they feel like it. Albeit usually in peak holiday season.
This potential disruption to the supply chain can easily be discounted by increasing our stocks of product we hold in our stores here in Stourbridge which we shall do if required.
Of course if a transition deal is arranged all the above becomes redundant thinking.
I shall reply formally as suggested next week once I have had a chat with our Italian suppliers. Strangely Italy it seems, has less regard for the EU than the UK does and is watching how Brexit develops closely."
I got a very nice reply back.
A No Deal scenario is not "Catastrophic".
It will be inconvenient, but everyone will cope. It is in fact how we trade with the rest of the world.
Cheers,
Tony
Here is my email reply. I may have used some form of these words earlier in a post on this or a similar thread.
"I hereby acknowledge receipt of the letter requesting an update as to our Brexit planning.
I shall put a formal reply to yourselves next week but informally I feel that there is a tremendous amount of hysteria being whipped up about a "no deal" scenario, if this arises, which it in no way deserves.
A quick example.
The current EU Tariff which the EU applies to our products from non EU countries, and which if a "no deal" scenario arises the UK would have to apply to import under WTO rules, would be that which applies to Soap.
I have my suspicions that this tariff was thought up by the French as they use less soap per head than any other country in the EU but thats an aside.
Anyway, the tariff on Soap and Cleaning products that we as importers would have to pay is 1.5%. This may change but it is highly unlikely. To do so, under WTO rules, the EU would then have to change their tariff levels on this class of products for every other country in the world.
Therefore the maximum Tariff cost we are likely to see will be 1.5% on the goods and perhaps a small additional import paperwork cost levied by the transportation company which has yet to be estimated.
Given that the exchange rate movement post referendum was an immediate 15% addition to our purchase costs we are quite sanguine about the impact of any imposed tariff. A 1.5% Tariff pales into insignificance versus exchange rate movements.
The greatest danger will be from short term disruption at the port of Dover.
It will, of course, make a change for disruption to take place on our side of the channel given the propensity for any group of disgruntled French or Belgian farmers, transport workers etc to set up barricades and have an impromptu lamb BBQ on the main motorway outside Calais anytime they feel like it. Albeit usually in peak holiday season.
This potential disruption to the supply chain can easily be discounted by increasing our stocks of product we hold in our stores here in Stourbridge which we shall do if required.
Of course if a transition deal is arranged all the above becomes redundant thinking.
I shall reply formally as suggested next week once I have had a chat with our Italian suppliers. Strangely Italy it seems, has less regard for the EU than the UK does and is watching how Brexit develops closely."
I got a very nice reply back.
A No Deal scenario is not "Catastrophic".
It will be inconvenient, but everyone will cope. It is in fact how we trade with the rest of the world.
Cheers,
Tony
braddo said:
The leading Brexit economist, Patrick Minford:
"Minford admits his model predicts that the policy would cause the ‘elimination’ of UK manufacturing and a large increase in wage inequality. "
http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2017/08/23/economist...
This is why the Labour heartlands voted for Brexit, right?
Or perhaps they voted Leave because UK governments (NOT the EU) had neglected their regions after mining and manufacturing had been decimated in the early 80s? Perhaps they were protest votes?
Perhaps they were votes for the easy lies the Leave campaign relied upon - £350m per week for the NHS; stop paying into the EU while still getting all the benefits of Single Market access; striking our own trade deals with the rest of the world (which not a single industry in the UK, in 2 years, has supported as a trade-off for leaving the EU).
But it's all so simple, I don't understand why 'they' don't just get on with Brexit.
"Minford admits his model predicts that the policy would cause the ‘elimination’ of UK manufacturing and a large increase in wage inequality. "
http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2017/08/23/economist...
This is why the Labour heartlands voted for Brexit, right?
Or perhaps they voted Leave because UK governments (NOT the EU) had neglected their regions after mining and manufacturing had been decimated in the early 80s? Perhaps they were protest votes?
Perhaps they were votes for the easy lies the Leave campaign relied upon - £350m per week for the NHS; stop paying into the EU while still getting all the benefits of Single Market access; striking our own trade deals with the rest of the world (which not a single industry in the UK, in 2 years, has supported as a trade-off for leaving the EU).
But it's all so simple, I don't understand why 'they' don't just get on with Brexit.
LSE said:
Major new EU grant for LSE internet study
One of the largest grants ever won by the London School of Economics and Political Science, for 2.5 million euros, has been awarded to Professor Sonia Livingstone for new research into children's experiences of risks on the internet.
Professor Livingstone will spend two years conducting original empirical research into online safety issues experienced by thousands of children aged 9-16 and their parents in up to 25 EU countries.
Who ave thunk it....One of the largest grants ever won by the London School of Economics and Political Science, for 2.5 million euros, has been awarded to Professor Sonia Livingstone for new research into children's experiences of risks on the internet.
Professor Livingstone will spend two years conducting original empirical research into online safety issues experienced by thousands of children aged 9-16 and their parents in up to 25 EU countries.
jsf said:
I did my supermarket shop yesterday. Thanks to labelling laws i could see the country of origin of the product, not just the product raw material but where it was processed.
Any meat that had any ireland content or processing i put back on the shelf. I bought only 100% Britsh meat.
What would you do if we suddenly stopped being able to produce meat for some hypothetical reason?Any meat that had any ireland content or processing i put back on the shelf. I bought only 100% Britsh meat.
braddo said:
The UK does not have a net penny to its name. In fact it owes 200 Trillion pennies.
But we're in a really strong position to negotiate trade deals with the rest of the world. The one Brexit economist admits his no-deal Brexit dream means that manufacturing will die in the UK. Not sure what we're going to sell to the rest of the world then... Not a single country will wring concessions out of the UK in its desperation to conclude trade deals after it leaves the EU - because trade negotiation isn't hard headed self interested negotiation....
Why bother asking annoying questions like this. Brexit is simple, just get on with it!
Oh well, you can't pull your socks up if you ain't got no fBut we're in a really strong position to negotiate trade deals with the rest of the world. The one Brexit economist admits his no-deal Brexit dream means that manufacturing will die in the UK. Not sure what we're going to sell to the rest of the world then... Not a single country will wring concessions out of the UK in its desperation to conclude trade deals after it leaves the EU - because trade negotiation isn't hard headed self interested negotiation....
Why bother asking annoying questions like this. Brexit is simple, just get on with it!
king socks mate. 
Gotta love a conspiracy.Do a search and you'll find many other sources rubbishing Minford. It ain't a LSE conspiracy.
UK universities and the UK do benefit from EU funding:
https://www.universitiesuk.ac.uk/policy-and-analys...
The Erasmus program also allows easy access for UK students to study in the EU and vice versa, something which is of huge benefit to Europe as a whole but which doesn't feed into economic numbers very well.
F1GTRUeno said:
jsf said:
I did my supermarket shop yesterday. Thanks to labelling laws i could see the country of origin of the product, not just the product raw material but where it was processed.
Any meat that had any ireland content or processing i put back on the shelf. I bought only 100% Britsh meat.
What would you do if we suddenly stopped being able to produce meat for some hypothetical reason?Any meat that had any ireland content or processing i put back on the shelf. I bought only 100% Britsh meat.
That's fairly obvious seeing as how our fish quotas are likely to increase.
Apart from the fact that it's not only Eire and the UK that produces meat.
braddo said:
The leading Brexit economist, Patrick Minford:
"Minford admits his model predicts that the policy would cause the ‘elimination’ of UK manufacturing and a large increase in wage inequality. "
http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2017/08/23/economist...
This is why the Labour heartlands voted for Brexit, right?
Or perhaps they voted Leave because UK governments (NOT the EU) had neglected their regions after mining and manufacturing had been decimated in the early 80s? Perhaps they were protest votes?
Patrick Minford had the ear of Thatcher and supported closing pits with the belief that miners would soon find new jobs. That generally didn't happen. "Minford admits his model predicts that the policy would cause the ‘elimination’ of UK manufacturing and a large increase in wage inequality. "
http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2017/08/23/economist...
This is why the Labour heartlands voted for Brexit, right?
Or perhaps they voted Leave because UK governments (NOT the EU) had neglected their regions after mining and manufacturing had been decimated in the early 80s? Perhaps they were protest votes?
gooner1 said:
Oh well, you can't pull your socks up if you ain't got no fking socks mate.
Are you saying the UK is a lost-cause bunch of losers, so we might as well just cut ourselves off from the world's largest free trade area which happens to be our biggest export (and import) market? Since we're such losers we might as well do the world a favour and disappear?king socks mate. braddo said:
The UK does not have a net penny to its name. In fact it owes 200 Trillion pennies.
But we're in a really strong position to negotiate trade deals with the rest of the world. The one Brexit economist admits his no-deal Brexit dream means that manufacturing will die in the UK. Not sure what we're going to sell to the rest of the world then... Not a single country will wring concessions out of the UK in its desperation to conclude trade deals after it leaves the EU - because trade negotiation isn't hard headed self interested negotiation....
Why bother asking annoying questions like this. Brexit is simple, just get on with it!
Classic soundbite quoting.... 10/10...But we're in a really strong position to negotiate trade deals with the rest of the world. The one Brexit economist admits his no-deal Brexit dream means that manufacturing will die in the UK. Not sure what we're going to sell to the rest of the world then... Not a single country will wring concessions out of the UK in its desperation to conclude trade deals after it leaves the EU - because trade negotiation isn't hard headed self interested negotiation....
Why bother asking annoying questions like this. Brexit is simple, just get on with it!
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