How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 5)
Discussion
The Dangerous Elk said:
mx5nut said:
Yes, it would.
So it's the responsibility of our government and parliament to pick from those options based on which would be least damaging for the country.
Nope, it is to follow it and their last election manifesto. This deal does not do that.So it's the responsibility of our government and parliament to pick from those options based on which would be least damaging for the country.
gooner1 said:
That's fairly obvious seeing as how our fish quotas are likely to increase.
Apart from the fact that it's not only Eire and the UK that produces meat.
So if we get a bigger share of the catch, we are only going to want to sell it to the EU. Are you understanding there are two sides to a negotiation yet?
And that if one side is 10 times bigger than the other, that the bigger side just might have an advantage in the negotiations?
braddo said:
gooner1 said:
Oh well, you can't pull your socks up if you ain't got no f
king socks mate. 
Are you saying the UK is a lost-cause bunch of losers, so we might as well just cut ourselves off from the world's largest free trade area which happens to be our biggest export (and import) market? Since we're such losers we might as well do the world a favour and disappear?king socks mate. k all to sellto any country in the world. Are you?
Vanden Saab said:
braddo said:
The UK does not have a net penny to its name. In fact it owes 200 Trillion pennies.
But we're in a really strong position to negotiate trade deals with the rest of the world. The one Brexit economist admits his no-deal Brexit dream means that manufacturing will die in the UK. Not sure what we're going to sell to the rest of the world then... Not a single country will wring concessions out of the UK in its desperation to conclude trade deals after it leaves the EU - because trade negotiation isn't hard headed self interested negotiation....
Why bother asking annoying questions like this. Brexit is simple, just get on with it!
Classic soundbite quoting.... 10/10...But we're in a really strong position to negotiate trade deals with the rest of the world. The one Brexit economist admits his no-deal Brexit dream means that manufacturing will die in the UK. Not sure what we're going to sell to the rest of the world then... Not a single country will wring concessions out of the UK in its desperation to conclude trade deals after it leaves the EU - because trade negotiation isn't hard headed self interested negotiation....
Why bother asking annoying questions like this. Brexit is simple, just get on with it!
braddo said:
The UK does not have a net penny to its name. In fact it owes 200 Trillion pennies.
But we're in a really strong position to negotiate trade deals with the rest of the world. The one Brexit economist admits his no-deal Brexit dream means that manufacturing will die in the UK. Not sure what we're going to sell to the rest of the world then... Not a single country will wring concessions out of the UK in its desperation to conclude trade deals after it leaves the EU - because trade negotiation isn't hard headed self interested negotiation....
Why bother asking annoying questions like this. Brexit is simple, just get on with it!
That export powerhouse called Germany is just as big as the UK, and they have the problem of the Euro potentially going tits up and doubling the debt overnight when the off the books sBut we're in a really strong position to negotiate trade deals with the rest of the world. The one Brexit economist admits his no-deal Brexit dream means that manufacturing will die in the UK. Not sure what we're going to sell to the rest of the world then... Not a single country will wring concessions out of the UK in its desperation to conclude trade deals after it leaves the EU - because trade negotiation isn't hard headed self interested negotiation....
Why bother asking annoying questions like this. Brexit is simple, just get on with it!
t hits the fan.The USA debt is 10 times as big and almost twice the size per capita as the UK's.
France, just as big as the UK.
The whole world is in debt to the whole world, its all one big circular bulls
t pass the parcel scam when you get down to the nitty gritty of what money is.braddo said:
gooner1 said:
That's fairly obvious seeing as how our fish quotas are likely to increase.
Apart from the fact that it's not only Eire and the UK that produces meat.
So if we get a bigger share of the catch, we are only going to want to sell it to the EU. Are you understanding there are two sides to a negotiation yet?
And that if one side is 10 times bigger than the other, that the bigger side just might have an advantage in the negotiations?
Edited to add, I actually meant substitute a large % of our meat diet
with fish. Healthier nation, less gas in our atmosphere. Winner winner fishy dinner.
Edited by gooner1 on Saturday 17th November 01:20
Edited by gooner1 on Saturday 17th November 01:26
braddo said:
Do you realise that 75% of the UK's fish catch is exported to the EU?
So if we get a bigger share of the catch, we are only going to want to sell it to the EU. Are you understanding there are two sides to a negotiation yet?
And that if one side is 10 times bigger than the other, that the bigger side just might have an advantage in the negotiations?
UK vessels land around 400,000 tonnes of fish each year in the UK, and between 200,000 and 300,000 tonnes abroad.So if we get a bigger share of the catch, we are only going to want to sell it to the EU. Are you understanding there are two sides to a negotiation yet?
And that if one side is 10 times bigger than the other, that the bigger side just might have an advantage in the negotiations?
Landings by the UK fleet were down in 2016, around a 1% reduction on 2015. Reduced landings in pelagic fish account for much of this fall. The value of landings by the UK fleet has increased in recent years, to £936 million in 2016.
The total number of fishermen is around 12,000, down from around 20,000 in the mid-1990s. The number of fishing vessels in the UK fleet has fallen by 29% since 1996.
The UK is a net importer of fish, with net imports of around 290,000 tonnes in 2016, worth £1.4bn.
The UK fleet has the second-largest total catch (in terms of landed weight) and the second-largest fleet size (in gross tonnage terms) in the EU.
Fishing boats from EU countries can fish in the waters of all EU countries. When looking at the UK’s Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ) – an area defined in international law as extending up to 200 nautical miles from a country’s coast, in which that country is entitled to control fishing – a study by the NAFC Marine Centre at the University of the Highlands and Islands suggests that the majority of fish and shellfish was caught by EU boats. The study estimates that an average of 58% of fish and shellfish caught in the UK’s water was landed by fishing boats from other EU countries each year between 2012 and 2014. This is said to represent about 650,000 tonnes of fish and shellfish worth over £400 million each year. In the same period, UK fishing boats were estimated to have landed an average of 90,000 tonnes of fish and shellfish, worth £100 million, caught in other EU member states’ waters each year.
https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/docu...
psi310398 said:
As I said before overreach.The EU was negotiating with a malfunctioning robot, a quisling, and someone sent out the room to make the tea whenever the serious discussions started. Do you in this scenario screw over the other side as much as possible or do you try and put in place a deal that advantages your side but will likely still be in place for the long term.
Barnier will not have won if what actually happens is either no deal or, in a few years, Labour breaking from the deal as part of a decisive break from the west, and supported in doing so by the majority of the population.
PurpleMoonlight said:
jsf said:
In case you missed it, the major reason to leave the EU was to trade more freely with the rest of the world.
Not according to the post vote surveys it wasn't.You can't reinvent history to suit your own purposes.
But it was about regaining sovereignty and accepting rules you have no say in making is not that.
JagLover said:
Fair point
But it was about regaining sovereignty and accepting rules you have no say in making is not that.
That rather depends on how you interpret sovereignty.But it was about regaining sovereignty and accepting rules you have no say in making is not that.
It's doesn't mean the Government will always use it in the way you want it to. If Parliament chooses to tie the UK to the EU in a trade deal, is that not sovereignty?
Constructive replies only, please....
Listening to Today this morning, 5 Cabinet Ministers are seeking to drive changes to make the agreement acceptable.
Notwithstanding resistance from the EU, what is everyone’s view on changes that would make it acceptable?
I would suggest;
1 Defining the maximum extension to the Transition Period (20XX)
2 Making the arbitration truly independent by reference to an internationally recognised body
3 Including a unilateral exit clause to the Backstop - it is ludicrous not to have one
4 Including the acceptance in the Political Declaration of technology as a solution to the Irish border issue, with reference to some international measures of success
5 Including, in the Political Declaration, the route by which we can ensure we are able to do our own trade deals
Views welcome...
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