How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 5)
Discussion
Ghibli said:
We already have a deal that is good for both sides.
Are you hoping for better.
Were you hoping that by going away for a couple of days you could magically forget the list of questions you had avoided answering over the weekend?Are you hoping for better.
Here you are, back again asking questions that serve no purpose - you're going to ignore the answers and move on to some other non-point until you've gone in a complete circle and can repeat it all over again.
Here's the clue - trading nations can trade for mutual benefit without political union. Most Leavers believe the former and don't want the latter. This is a different opinion to the one you hold, but it is possible for people to hold different opinions without one automatically being incorrect. You aren't about to argue anyone into changing their opinion.
Mrr T said:
don'tbesilly said:
You've got the attendance record of Mandelson to hand?
Was it better than Farage's?
Perhaps you could tell us just how many times Mandelson has had to stand down as an MP for wrong doing, how does that compare to Farage?
Was Mandelson more effective as the Trade Commissioner for the EU than Farage was/is as an MEP?
If you think so, can you back it up with something substantive?
You want to answer any of the above?
Or as I rather suspect you're pathetic point was just that.
I suspect Mandelson attended the office on a regular basis.Was it better than Farage's?
Perhaps you could tell us just how many times Mandelson has had to stand down as an MP for wrong doing, how does that compare to Farage?
Was Mandelson more effective as the Trade Commissioner for the EU than Farage was/is as an MEP?
If you think so, can you back it up with something substantive?
You want to answer any of the above?
Or as I rather suspect you're pathetic point was just that.
The great Nigel was a member of the EU Parliament Fisheries committee as part of his commitment to support British fishermen he attended 1 out of 42 meeting.
Nigel never resigned from the HOC because he could never convince enough voters so he could become an MP.
I am sure he is entitled to his EU pension for all the hard work in representing his constituents in the EU parliament (sic).
You should stick to subjects you know about, like the Border Agency
desolate said:
gooner1 said:
Possibly, but at least there would be clarity, isn't that what all business want?
Seems a worse solution than having the border in the sea and provides no more clarity than any other solution.Tuna said:
Ghibli said:
We already have a deal that is good for both sides.
Are you hoping for better.
Were you hoping that by going away for a couple of days you could magically forget the list of questions you had avoided answering over the weekend?Are you hoping for better.
Here you are, back again asking questions that serve no purpose - you're going to ignore the answers and move on to some other non-point until you've gone in a complete circle and can repeat it all over again.
Here's the clue - trading nations can trade for mutual benefit without political union. Most Leavers believe the former and don't want the latter. This is a different opinion to the one you hold, but it is possible for people to hold different opinions without one automatically being incorrect. You aren't about to argue anyone into changing their opinion.
PH team leave have their own version of the negotiations.
gooner1 said:
Ghibli said:
You follow the negotiations and speak for PH team Leave who are in charge of the real negotiations.
At least that's what I keep being told
Those voices in your head seem to be getting more problematic, have you sought help?At least that's what I keep being told
I don't understand why literally no one is capable of explaining what "deals" and "trade" people actually need.
Politicians are incapable of handling these topics, they are not business people and have no capacity to understand when they have never created anything in their lives.
If we discussed which smarmy bureaucrat is going to steal less tax from you, that would be a better way to approach this subject. They can only discuss what they are going to "take", neither side has anything productive to offer.
Politicians are incapable of handling these topics, they are not business people and have no capacity to understand when they have never created anything in their lives.
If we discussed which smarmy bureaucrat is going to steal less tax from you, that would be a better way to approach this subject. They can only discuss what they are going to "take", neither side has anything productive to offer.
KrissKross said:
Ghibli said:
As for the UK wanting the best deal for the people, that doesn't seem to matter anymore.
The UK is not being represented.The Politicians (on both sides) care about themselves and their future careers.
No one in these "negotiations" is representing the people's interests.
They still represent the people's interests.
KrissKross said:
I don't understand why literally no one is capable of explaining what "deals" and "trade" people actually need.
Politicians are incapable of handling these topics, they are not business people and have no capacity to understand when they have never created anything in their lives.
If we discussed which smarmy bureaucrat is going to steal less tax from you, that would be a better way to approach this subject. They can only discuss what they are going to "take", neither side has anything productive to offer.
The EU negotiate trade deals, the UK don't yet.Politicians are incapable of handling these topics, they are not business people and have no capacity to understand when they have never created anything in their lives.
If we discussed which smarmy bureaucrat is going to steal less tax from you, that would be a better way to approach this subject. They can only discuss what they are going to "take", neither side has anything productive to offer.
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