Lunacy on the M40

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CoolHands

18,657 posts

195 months

Friday 2nd November 2018
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S100HP said:
Conversely I used the M3 on Monday night and it worked perfectly. 70mph, down to 50mph then down to 40mph. Left hand lane showing big red X, people moved over and slowed down. Passed stricken car on left hand lane. Afterwards back up to speed.
Why does everyone have to slow down to 40 cos of a broken down car? What a load of ste

anonymous-user

54 months

Friday 2nd November 2018
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CoolHands said:
Why does everyone have to slow down to 40 cos of a broken down car? What a load of ste
Probably cos no hard shoulder

saaby93

32,038 posts

178 months

Thursday 11th April 2019
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update
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-...

Doesnt the M40 head roughly east west in parallel to the A40 rather than north south?

Superleg48

1,524 posts

133 months

Thursday 11th April 2019
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saaby93 said:
update
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-...

Doesnt the M40 head roughly east west in parallel to the A40 rather than north south?
It does from London to Oxford then swings North /South up to Brum.

Red Devil

13,060 posts

208 months

Friday 12th April 2019
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The M40 doesn't go anywhere near London.
It begins near Denham which is in South Bucks beyond the Greater London boundary.
Only the first couple of miles to the westbound slip road off the M25 run east to west.
After than it runs on a general south east to north west axis to the M42.
There are only a few stretches which actually run south to north.
https://goo.gl/maps/1wLArH3KUht

Dr Jekyll

23,820 posts

261 months

Friday 12th April 2019
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Red Devil said:
The M40 doesn't go anywhere near London.
It begins near Denham which is in South Bucks beyond the Greater London boundary.
Only the first couple of miles to the westbound slip road off the M25 run east to west.
After than it runs on a general south east to north west axis to the M42.
There are only a few stretches which actually run south to north.
https://goo.gl/maps/1wLArH3KUht
Inside the M25 makes it near London for most purposes.

Digga

40,329 posts

283 months

Friday 12th April 2019
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Dr Jekyll said:
Red Devil said:
The M40 doesn't go anywhere near London.
It begins near Denham which is in South Bucks beyond the Greater London boundary.
Only the first couple of miles to the westbound slip road off the M25 run east to west.
After than it runs on a general south east to north west axis to the M42.
There are only a few stretches which actually run south to north.
https://goo.gl/maps/1wLArH3KUht
Inside the M25 makes it near London for most purposes.
Certainly for Midlanders and Northerners. You definitely can't bank on getting gravy or grey peas with your chips there.

anonymous-user

54 months

Friday 12th April 2019
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Ignoring the argument about the location and direction of the M40 for a moment (only on PH), it’s a terribly sad thing. All those deaths seemingly due to brain cancer confusing the driver.

saaby93

32,038 posts

178 months

Friday 12th April 2019
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garyhun said:
Ignoring the argument about the location and direction of the M40 for a moment (only on PH), it’s a terribly sad thing. All those deaths seemingly due to brain cancer confusing the driver.
and a dodgy junction

CoolHands

18,657 posts

195 months

Friday 12th April 2019
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More camera would help. And average speed camera zones too. And lower speed limits.

gothatway

5,783 posts

170 months

Friday 12th April 2019
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CoolHands said:
More camera would help. And average speed camera zones too. And lower speed limits.
I appreciate your irony. It is hard to see what (apart from possibly redesigning the slip road) would have helped prevent this tragedy.

saaby93

32,038 posts

178 months

Friday 12th April 2019
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GSE said:

If the driver approached J7 along the A329 from the south-west, he may have misread this sign to turn right for the M40. The sign refers to the legitimate turn for the M40, which is over the bridge and some some distance ahead, yet seems to be positioned directly opposite the M40 exit at J7. If he did make this turn, he still managed to ignore at least 4 no entry signs, several give way and turn arrows facing the wrong way, cross three lanes of oncoming traffic to enter the motorway, and then drive at speed for some distance before the crash. It's shocking how detached from reality he must have been.
Posted previously
Isnt the main issue the sign points you down the slip road?

Edited by saaby93 on Friday 12th April 18:28

Peter911

483 posts

157 months

Saturday 13th April 2019
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Whoever designed that should be charged with manslaughter. Get it moved 50 meters along urgently.

Scandalous and misleading.

anonymous-user

54 months

Saturday 13th April 2019
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Scandalous rofl OK princess

Turfy

1,070 posts

181 months

Saturday 13th April 2019
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It's a pretty daft sign and you have to make the assumption that the gen-pop is easily confused.

Although many have not probably turned right there, I think many would've slowed down before they realised their mistake!

saaby93

32,038 posts

178 months

Sunday 14th April 2019
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Peter911 said:
Whoever designed that should be charged with manslaughter. Get it moved 50 meters along urgently.

Scandalous and misleading.
Its not just that it points down there, you can see in the near right of the photo, the lane for traffic emerging from the motorway.
Where the sign points is naturally where youd expect to turn right to go down to join it


anonymous-user

54 months

Sunday 14th April 2019
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Clear sign before this one suggests how to negotiate the junction. Best not post that one, it's not good for the drama.
Excuses, excuses excuses................ffs.

saaby93

32,038 posts

178 months

Sunday 14th April 2019
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NorfolkInClue1 said:
Clear sign before this one suggests how to negotiate the junction. Best not post that one, it's not good for the drama.
Excuses, excuses excuses................ffs.
This one wink



Even so, further along, you might think the sign shown earlier is the one to believe

or is the no entry that little turn on the right



Edited by saaby93 on Sunday 14th April 20:53

anonymous-user

54 months

Sunday 14th April 2019
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saaby93 said:
NorfolkInClue1 said:
Clear sign before this one suggests how to negotiate the junction. Best not post that one, it's not good for the drama.
Excuses, excuses excuses................ffs.
This one wink



Even so, further along, you might think the sign shown earlier is the one to believe

or is the no entry that little turn on the right



Edited by anonymous-user on Sunday 14th April 20:53
If anyone thinks a "No Entry" sign on an A road references a private driveway then so be it, we are clearly short of many road signs.....
At the end of the day excuses have been provided to exonerate any blame from those that need the excuse, I feel so bad for the family of the poor driver that was killed.
It appears that nothing more than assumption around cancer overrides everything. Oh, and I say that as someone currently undergoing treatment so I'm not being disrespectful,it affects each in many different and callous ways..... however there are clearly several very major stages before the impact that would require nuclear levels of "confusion" over sometime, but hey, I'm not the paid expert.
Seems the diagnosis suits the insurance providers and absolves the local highways in one go........


Edited by anonymous-user on Sunday 14th April 21:39

saaby93

32,038 posts

178 months

Sunday 14th April 2019
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There can be a sequence of tiny steps that lead to a disaster.

We now know the driver wasn't very well and that will be one of the factors
The unusual junction layout and signage will be another.
each on their own may have been recoverable