Bercow resigning as Speaker

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anonymous-user

55 months

Monday 4th November 2019
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REALIST123 said:
Zirconia said:
Sheepshanks said:
turbobloke said:
Zirconia said:
I hope he makes the upper house.
There must be an attic somewhere with enough room for his personality.
You mean his ego?

What was going on with MPs making obsequious speeches to him - I thought he was universally disliked?
If the Kinnock dynasty or Archer can get a leg up then I see no reason this fella cannot as well. Plus it will wind an awful lot of people up.
Your naivety is stunning.

The HOL cost the taxpayer over £70M a year just in direct payments to the peers. About £90k each. Many of them draw tens of thousands and don't even attend.

The Kinnocks being allowed to sponge off the nation was bad enough. Allowing Bercow to join the gravy train cannot be justified Just because that bunch of parasites got away with it or because you want to wind someone up.

I’d like to see all payments from the taxpayer to peers stopped and make them crowdfund. They’d then learn what their true value is.
What was that Zirconia was saying about winding people up ?

rofl

Zirconia

36,010 posts

285 months

Monday 4th November 2019
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Amateurish said:
Maybe now is the time for a speaker who isn't a serving MP so that their poor constituency doesn't get disenfranchised for a decade.
No rule preventing anyone standing against them is there, just a tradition, Farage tried once? The TV show is saying that they still work in the constituency? I know not.

Vanden Saab

14,139 posts

75 months

Monday 4th November 2019
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essayer said:
The end

"The Chancellor of the Exchequer has this day appointed the Rt Hon John Simon Bercow to be Steward and Bailiff of the Manor of Northstead."

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/manor-of-norths...
Maybe he could follow the lead of a former holder of the post and become a Master in Lunacy...Oh wait....

kev1974

4,029 posts

130 months

Monday 4th November 2019
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Zirconia said:
Amateurish said:
Maybe now is the time for a speaker who isn't a serving MP so that their poor constituency doesn't get disenfranchised for a decade.
No rule preventing anyone standing against them is there, just a tradition, Farage tried once? The TV show is saying that they still work in the constituency? I know not.
Well they have just been saying on BBC Parliament that it is arguably a bit odd to have the speaker election today because they might have to do it all again after the General Election, either because the person elected as speaker today fails in the General Election, or apparently because they get to choose the speaker again at the start of the new parliament anyway, and it's just convention that they've always stuck with the previous one.

Zirconia

36,010 posts

285 months

Monday 4th November 2019
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kev1974 said:
Zirconia said:
Amateurish said:
Maybe now is the time for a speaker who isn't a serving MP so that their poor constituency doesn't get disenfranchised for a decade.
No rule preventing anyone standing against them is there, just a tradition, Farage tried once? The TV show is saying that they still work in the constituency? I know not.
Well they have just been saying on BBC Parliament that it is arguably a bit odd to have the speaker election today because they might have to do it all again after the General Election, either because the person elected as speaker today fails in the General Election, or apparently because they get to choose the speaker again at the start of the new parliament anyway, and it's just convention that they've always stuck with the previous one.
Yeah, got it on in the background, just heard that. I thought that if they picked one today then the others would play nice, I guess this time around there is too much in it.


Interesting listening to the lady form the House of Lords.

kev1974

4,029 posts

130 months

Monday 4th November 2019
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So Lindsay in the lead at the moment.

The two that got 10 and 12 got a good laugh anyway.

Surprised Harman only got 72.



Sir Lindsay Hoyle: 211

Dame Eleanor Laing: 113

Chris Bryant: 98

Harriet Harman: 72

Dame Rosie Winterton: 46

Sir Edward Leigh: 12

Meg Hillier: 10

anonymous-user

55 months

Monday 4th November 2019
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essayer said:
The end

"The Chancellor of the Exchequer has this day appointed the Rt Hon John Simon Bercow to be Steward and Bailiff of the Manor of Northstead."

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/manor-of-norths...
A technical appointment that allows an MP to resign. MP's are not legally allowed to resign, so they are appointed to a non position.

kev1974

4,029 posts

130 months

Monday 4th November 2019
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This process must have taken hours (days?) in the days before they could run off 600 "ballot papers" on the nearest decent sized printer or photocopier in minutes

Don't really understand why the low scoring candidates haven't saved everyone's time and just withdrawn, can't really see Harriet Harman improving that much on her 72? There's no more speeches so surely not many people switch from who they've already voted for except when that person is already out?

Zirconia

36,010 posts

285 months

Monday 4th November 2019
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Comment earlier saying some MP's possibly holding back till the next round?

All gone quiet now.

The lady on the Parliament show had quite a pause when Bercow was assumed to be elevated to the Lords. That was interesting.

jimmyjimjim

7,345 posts

239 months

Monday 4th November 2019
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kev1974 said:
This process must have taken hours (days?) in the days before they could run off 600 "ballot papers" on the nearest decent sized printer or photocopier in minutes

Don't really understand why the low scoring candidates haven't saved everyone's time and just withdrawn, can't really see Harriet Harman improving that much on her 72? There's no more speeches so surely not many people switch from who they've already voted for except when that person is already out?
Mr Gestetner had the market there since the late 1880's.

Zirconia

36,010 posts

285 months

Monday 4th November 2019
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Harman less votes this time around.

kev1974

4,029 posts

130 months

Monday 4th November 2019
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Round 2 done, interestingly Harman and Winterton both lost some of their votes to other candidates.
Hoyle: 244
Laing: 122
Bryant: 120
Harman: 59
Winterton: 30

Surely Sir Lindsay has it in the bag.

But they keep going until someone has > 50%.

JagLover

42,453 posts

236 months

Monday 4th November 2019
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Zirconia said:
Harman less votes this time around.
Harperson you mean

Anyhow it seems that parliament has realised this time around that they perhaps need to choose a speaker on a basis of more than just pissing off one side or the other.

pequod

8,997 posts

139 months

Monday 4th November 2019
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Zirconia said:
Harman less votes this time around.
Fewer! ranting

Roofless Toothless

5,678 posts

133 months

Monday 4th November 2019
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JagLover said:
Zirconia said:
Harman less votes this time around.
Harperson you mean

Harperdaughter?

TheRealNoNeedy

15,137 posts

201 months

Monday 4th November 2019
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pequod said:
Zirconia said:
Harman less votes this time around.
Fewer! ranting
Harman less Fewer this time around.


Ok?

Zirconia

36,010 posts

285 months

Monday 4th November 2019
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pequod said:
Fewer! ranting
Soz.

I werent dragged up proper like many here.

pequod

8,997 posts

139 months

Monday 4th November 2019
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Another day of Parliamentary panto electing a new speaker. Waiting for ballot papers to be printed, for goodness sake! The whole process desperately needs to be dragged into the modern world.

If this continues, I fear fewer people will understand why, in the 21st Century, we still continue with outdated practices with all the ceremony and paraphernalia that continues in both Houses.

Ridiculous!

vaud

50,613 posts

156 months

Monday 4th November 2019
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pequod said:
Another day of Parliamentary panto electing a new speaker. Waiting for ballot papers to be printed, for goodness sake! The whole process desperately needs to be dragged into the modern world.

If this continues, I fear fewer people will understand why, in the 21st Century, we still continue with outdated practices with all the ceremony and paraphernalia that continues in both Houses.

Ridiculous!
I agree. I think we need to modernize process while keeping some of the spectacle.

Stussy

1,852 posts

65 months

Monday 4th November 2019
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The process would be a lot quicker if the lowest scorers dropped out gracefully instead of hoping for some sort of miracle change of heart from the voters