Bercow resigning as Speaker
Discussion
It might be useful to consider the name of the operating protocol. The Honours.
With the redundancy of honour throughout our daily life and the acceptance of 'human frailty' being the excuse for everything from whooping cough to rape, it's not surprising that Bercow and his ilk become supreme arbiters of 'honour'.
Shouldn't such accolades be awarded only after a lifetime of unbroken public service with self-effacing modesty and admirable conduct? It doesn't just apply to Bercow though, his suggested elevation merely points to the general dive to the bottom throughout public life. No doubt it's that that contributes so much to the general disgust with which the public regard the governing classes. Beware tumbrils.
With the redundancy of honour throughout our daily life and the acceptance of 'human frailty' being the excuse for everything from whooping cough to rape, it's not surprising that Bercow and his ilk become supreme arbiters of 'honour'.
Shouldn't such accolades be awarded only after a lifetime of unbroken public service with self-effacing modesty and admirable conduct? It doesn't just apply to Bercow though, his suggested elevation merely points to the general dive to the bottom throughout public life. No doubt it's that that contributes so much to the general disgust with which the public regard the governing classes. Beware tumbrils.
To be fair, the House of Lords is full of odious s
ts who have been made life peers.
However, Bercow is not especially stupid and should have understood the basic rule of thumb that if honours mattered so much to him, it might have been wise to avoid going out of his way to annoy those whose patronage was required to obtain them...Of course, rather than being an entitled and arrogant prick who thought he would still get the nod, he might have been a thoroughly principled chap who would not allow such personal favour to colour his approach to duty
ts who have been made life peers. However, Bercow is not especially stupid and should have understood the basic rule of thumb that if honours mattered so much to him, it might have been wise to avoid going out of his way to annoy those whose patronage was required to obtain them...Of course, rather than being an entitled and arrogant prick who thought he would still get the nod, he might have been a thoroughly principled chap who would not allow such personal favour to colour his approach to duty
ClaphamGT3 said:
DMN said:
Very pathetic from Johnson. But did anyone expect any better?
No - sadly all too predictableIt will be next year before Boris gets to produce his list.
Bercow getting his peerage (or not) is nothing whatsoever to do with the New Years Honours list, that is granted via a different system.
jsf said:
ClaphamGT3 said:
DMN said:
Very pathetic from Johnson. But did anyone expect any better?
No - sadly all too predictableIt will be next year before Boris gets to produce his list.
Bercow getting his peerage (or not) is nothing whatsoever to do with the New Years Honours list, that is granted via a different system.
You are, I suppose, at least partially correct in that a Govt can create life peers as and when it wants or needs to but, by convention, it doesn’t do so for retiring speakers
ClaphamGT3 said:
jsf said:
ClaphamGT3 said:
DMN said:
Very pathetic from Johnson. But did anyone expect any better?
No - sadly all too predictableIt will be next year before Boris gets to produce his list.
Bercow getting his peerage (or not) is nothing whatsoever to do with the New Years Honours list, that is granted via a different system.
You are, I suppose, at least partially correct in that a Govt can create life peers as and when it wants or needs to but, by convention, it doesn’t do so for retiring speakers
Denying it is the right decision despite the frothing of remainers who seem to see him as some sort of hero (whereas, hilariously, his pathetic antics were probably a large part of the reason why Boris got a good, workable majority).
Troubleatmill said:
Boris just needs to say "You do a job. You get paid for it. Why should a peerage be a given?"
Our resident losers seem to be frothing that one of theirs has been besmirched.
Happy days!!!
Personally I couldn't careless whether Bercow gets a peerage.Our resident losers seem to be frothing that one of theirs has been besmirched.
Happy days!!!
With the honours system the real good news story is always the people most people haven't heard of who are recognised for what is often a lifetimes work selflessly promoting worthy causes in their communities.
85Carrera said:
That may be so but Bercow’s behaviour, bringing the House of Commons into disrepute, does not deserve a peerage.
Denying it is the right decision despite the frothing of remainers who seem to see him as some sort of hero (whereas, hilariously, his pathetic antics were probably a large part of the reason why Boris got a good, workable majority).
So very true. Bercow, Corbyn and that silly LibDem woman probably helped enormously in giving Boris such a good majority.Denying it is the right decision despite the frothing of remainers who seem to see him as some sort of hero (whereas, hilariously, his pathetic antics were probably a large part of the reason why Boris got a good, workable majority).
I didn't see Bercow as bringing the house into disrepute, I think the house managed that on all sides.
He played a rule that was written down, and showed the people trying to ram the process through that they were not the political giants they thought they were (otherwise they would have known it and had contingencies) and really just showed the process as a mess. If there were a legal way then May then BoJo would already have us in the land of milk and honey.
My takeaway from it is we have a group that want to bulldoze and they will miss the finer points.
Time will tell.
He played a rule that was written down, and showed the people trying to ram the process through that they were not the political giants they thought they were (otherwise they would have known it and had contingencies) and really just showed the process as a mess. If there were a legal way then May then BoJo would already have us in the land of milk and honey.
My takeaway from it is we have a group that want to bulldoze and they will miss the finer points.
Time will tell.
Zirconia said:
Troubleatmill said:
Boris just needs to say "You do a job. You get paid for it. Why should a peerage be a given?"
Our resident losers seem to be frothing that one of theirs has been besmirched.
Happy days!!!
That what he said to Nicky and Zac? Our resident losers seem to be frothing that one of theirs has been besmirched.
Happy days!!!
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