The People's Vote - which way would you vote?

[amusingduck]

Helicopter123 said:

psi310398 said:

• No tolerance for questions or critical inquiry.

Hello?

Crikey, it's gaining self awareness

[Piha]

Helicopter123 said:

psi310398 said:

Erm. LEAVE is much more comparable to a religious cult. The word cult can be broadly defined as "formal religious veneration," "a system of religious beliefs and its body of adherents", "great devotion to a person or idea" as well as "persons united by devotion or allegiance to an artistic or intellectual movement or figure."

If we look at the ten generally accepted warning signs of a cult, the UKIP LEAVE side seems a much closer fit:

• Absolute authoritarianism without meaningful accountability. YEP, NIGEL FARAGE AND HIS DECEITFUL LIES

• No tolerance for questions or critical inquiry. YEP, £350 MILLION A WEEK, NO QUESTIONS ASKED.

• No meaningful financial disclosure regarding budget or expenses, such as an independently audited financial statement. YEP, WE SEND BILLIONS TO THE EU AND GET NOTHING BACK.

• Unreasonable fear about the outside world, such as impending catastrophe, evil conspiracies and persecutions. BLOOMING POLISH COMING OVER HERE AND TAKING OUR HOUSES. WHY DIDN'T THE GOVERNMENT BUILD MORE?

• There is no legitimate reason to leave, former followers are always wrong in leaving, negative or even evil. LETS HAVE THE HALCYON DAYS OF THE 1950'S BACK.

• Former members often relate the same stories of abuse and reflect a similar pattern of grievances. SEE ABOVE.

• There are records, books, news articles, or broadcast reports that document the abuses of the group/leader. LETS MOVE OUR FINANCE COMPANY TO DUBLIN.

• Followers feel they can never be "good enough". IF THAT'S HOE YOU FEEL.

• The group/leader is always right. BOJO IS OUR SAVIOUR.

• The group/leader is the exclusive means of knowing "truth" or receiving validation, no other process of discovery is really acceptable or credible SEE ABOVE AND ADD IN D.D AND FARAGE.

More projection, Piha?

Hello?

EFA

[Baron von Teuchter]

Still a strong backing for brexit on ph i see.

This "no deal" thing. What's the problem with negotiating individual trade deals between the UK and individual countries? Is it just a time and effort problem?

[alfie2244]

Baron von Teuchter said:

Still a strong backing for brexit on ph i see.

This "no deal" thing. What's the problem with negotiating individual trade deals between the UK and individual countries? Is it just a time and effort problem?

Not allowed to until we leave the EU.

[Baron von Teuchter]

alfie2244 said:

Baron von Teuchter said:

Still a strong backing for brexit on ph i see.

This "no deal" thing. What's the problem with negotiating individual trade deals between the UK and individual countries? Is it just a time and effort problem?

Not allowed to until we leave the EU.

Ahhhhh i see. So a year or two of absolute chaos in the meantime?

[Helicopter123]

Piha said:

Helicopter123 said:

psi310398 said:

Erm. LEAVE is much more comparable to a religious cult. The word cult can be broadly defined as "formal religious veneration," "a system of religious beliefs and its body of adherents", "great devotion to a person or idea" as well as "persons united by devotion or allegiance to an artistic or intellectual movement or figure."

If we look at the ten generally accepted warning signs of a cult, the UKIP LEAVE side seems a much closer fit:

• Absolute authoritarianism without meaningful accountability. YEP, NIGEL FARAGE AND HIS DECEITFUL LIES

• No tolerance for questions or critical inquiry. YEP, £350 MILLION A WEEK, NO QUESTIONS ASKED.

• No meaningful financial disclosure regarding budget or expenses, such as an independently audited financial statement. YEP, WE SEND BILLIONS TO THE EU AND GET NOTHING BACK.

• Unreasonable fear about the outside world, such as impending catastrophe, evil conspiracies and persecutions. BLOOMING POLISH COMING OVER HERE AND TAKING OUR HOUSES. WHY DIDN'T THE GOVERNMENT BUILD MORE?

• There is no legitimate reason to leave, former followers are always wrong in leaving, negative or even evil. LETS HAVE THE HALCYON DAYS OF THE 1950'S BACK.

• Former members often relate the same stories of abuse and reflect a similar pattern of grievances. SEE ABOVE.

• There are records, books, news articles, or broadcast reports that document the abuses of the group/leader. LETS MOVE OUR FINANCE COMPANY TO DUBLIN.

• Followers feel they can never be "good enough". IF THAT'S HOE YOU FEEL.

• The group/leader is always right. BOJO IS OUR SAVIOUR.

• The group/leader is the exclusive means of knowing "truth" or receiving validation, no other process of discovery is really acceptable or credible SEE ABOVE AND ADD IN D.D AND FARAGE.

More projection, Piha?

Hello?

EFA

Good post.

[alfie2244]

Baron von Teuchter said:

alfie2244 said:

Baron von Teuchter said:

Still a strong backing for brexit on ph i see.

This "no deal" thing. What's the problem with negotiating individual trade deals between the UK and individual countries? Is it just a time and effort problem?

Not allowed to until we leave the EU.

Ahhhhh i see. So a year or two of absolute chaos in the meantime?

TM has just said in PMQ's that we will be able to strike our own deals............time will tell.

[Baron von Teuchter]

alfie2244 said:

Baron von Teuchter said:

alfie2244 said:

Baron von Teuchter said:

Still a strong backing for brexit on ph i see.

This "no deal" thing. What's the problem with negotiating individual trade deals between the UK and individual countries? Is it just a time and effort problem?

Not allowed to until we leave the EU.

Ahhhhh i see. So a year or two of absolute chaos in the meantime?

TM has just said in PMQ's that we will be able to strike our own deals............time will tell.

Well, that sounds positive.

[alfie2244]

TM....PMQ's

No 2nd referendum..............."they voted to leave and we will"

[alfie2244]

Baron von Teuchter said:

Well, that sounds positive.

Time will tell

[SeeFive]

Helicopter123 said:

Piha said:

Helicopter123 said:

psi310398 said:

Erm. LEAVE is much more comparable to a religious cult. The word cult can be broadly defined as "formal religious veneration," "a system of religious beliefs and its body of adherents", "great devotion to a person or idea" as well as "persons united by devotion or allegiance to an artistic or intellectual movement or figure."

If we look at the ten generally accepted warning signs of a cult, the UKIP LEAVE side seems a much closer fit:

• Absolute authoritarianism without meaningful accountability. YEP, NIGEL FARAGE AND HIS DECEITFUL LIES

• No tolerance for questions or critical inquiry. YEP, £350 MILLION A WEEK, NO QUESTIONS ASKED.

• No meaningful financial disclosure regarding budget or expenses, such as an independently audited financial statement. YEP, WE SEND BILLIONS TO THE EU AND GET NOTHING BACK.

• Unreasonable fear about the outside world, such as impending catastrophe, evil conspiracies and persecutions. BLOOMING POLISH COMING OVER HERE AND TAKING OUR HOUSES. WHY DIDN'T THE GOVERNMENT BUILD MORE?

• There is no legitimate reason to leave, former followers are always wrong in leaving, negative or even evil. LETS HAVE THE HALCYON DAYS OF THE 1950'S BACK.

• Former members often relate the same stories of abuse and reflect a similar pattern of grievances. SEE ABOVE.

• There are records, books, news articles, or broadcast reports that document the abuses of the group/leader. LETS MOVE OUR FINANCE COMPANY TO DUBLIN.

• Followers feel they can never be "good enough". IF THAT'S HOE YOU FEEL.

• The group/leader is always right. BOJO IS OUR SAVIOUR.

• The group/leader is the exclusive means of knowing "truth" or receiving validation, no other process of discovery is really acceptable or credible SEE ABOVE AND ADD IN D.D AND FARAGE.

More projection, Piha?

Hello?

EFA

Good post.

So in typing that drivel and seconding it with “good post” you both really feel that is why a significant number of people voted leave?

Honestly?

Words fail me.

[don'tbesilly]

alfie2244 said:

Baron von Teuchter said:

Still a strong backing for brexit on ph i see.

This "no deal" thing. What's the problem with negotiating individual trade deals between the UK and individual countries? Is it just a time and effort problem?

Not allowed to until we leave the EU.

So indefinitely and for the foreseeable, yet May still bangs on about sealing deals with countries outside the EU.

I'm beginning to think she's as thick as Raab, who possibly didn't know where Dover is geographically, he certainly didn't know of it's significance in terms of trade.

Geez, what a shower, still that's what you get with a Remainer for a PM.

[Piha]

SeeFive said:

So in typing that drivel and seconding it with “good post” you both really feel that is why a significant number of people voted leave?

Honestly?

Words fail me.

Waves at SeeFive

[JagLover]

Baron von Teuchter said:

Well, that sounds positive.

She, and many of the media outlets, are pretending that the backstop will be temporary.

The cat is out of the bag though after Sabine Weyand's briefing was leaked

She apparently claimed the UK will have to 'align their rules but the EU will retain all the controls', bragging that Britain is effectively accepting staying in the customs union for good, and will have to 'swallow' demands over fishing waters.

Once you understand that the "backstop" is the permanent arrangement then you can see why so many are opposed.

[Helicopter123]

don'tbesilly said:

alfie2244 said:

Baron von Teuchter said:

Still a strong backing for brexit on ph i see.

This "no deal" thing. What's the problem with negotiating individual trade deals between the UK and individual countries? Is it just a time and effort problem?

Not allowed to until we leave the EU.

So indefinitely and for the foreseeable, yet May still bangs on about sealing deals with countries outside the EU.

I'm beginning to think she's as thick as Raab, who possibly didn't know where Dover is geographically, he certainly didn't know of it's significance in terms of trade.

Geez, what a shower, still that's what you get with a Remainer for a PM.

Surely Raab has to resign rather than support this deal?

[don'tbesilly]

Helicopter123 said:

don'tbesilly said:

alfie2244 said:

Baron von Teuchter said:

Still a strong backing for brexit on ph i see.

This "no deal" thing. What's the problem with negotiating individual trade deals between the UK and individual countries? Is it just a time and effort problem?

Not allowed to until we leave the EU.

So indefinitely and for the foreseeable, yet May still bangs on about sealing deals with countries outside the EU.

I'm beginning to think she's as thick as Raab, who possibly didn't know where Dover is geographically, he certainly didn't know of it's significance in terms of trade.

Geez, what a shower, still that's what you get with a Remainer for a PM.

Surely Raab has to resign rather than support this deal?

Maybe he will.

If Raab supported May's LH speech and the Tory manifesto, and all of May's pledges/promises, and being a principled MP. many would argue he should resign as opposed to supporting a proposal that clearly reneges on everything that went before, and one assumes he supported.

Jo Johnson did resign, because amongst other reasons he couldn't support May's plan, that was crystal clear in his resignation letter.

You want MP's to support May, but put Johnson on a pedestal as a hero because he resigned and didn't support May, doesn't make much sense does it?

Given some of your posts, being principled falls a long way down the list of admirable traits you value, it probably doesn't register, and one doubts if you know what it means.

[p1stonhead]

Helicopter123 said:

don'tbesilly said:

alfie2244 said:

Baron von Teuchter said:

Still a strong backing for brexit on ph i see.

This "no deal" thing. What's the problem with negotiating individual trade deals between the UK and individual countries? Is it just a time and effort problem?

Not allowed to until we leave the EU.

So indefinitely and for the foreseeable, yet May still bangs on about sealing deals with countries outside the EU.

I'm beginning to think she's as thick as Raab, who possibly didn't know where Dover is geographically, he certainly didn't know of it's significance in terms of trade.

Geez, what a shower, still that's what you get with a Remainer for a PM.

Surely Raab has to resign rather than support this deal?

Word is he is fully behind the deal. Strange but just repeating what I heard on the radio.

[rigga]

Helicopter123 said:

Good post.

No it wasn't, and you continually saying it, does not make it so.

[Helicopter123]

don'tbesilly said:

Helicopter123 said:

don'tbesilly said:

alfie2244 said:

Baron von Teuchter said:

Still a strong backing for brexit on ph i see.

This "no deal" thing. What's the problem with negotiating individual trade deals between the UK and individual countries? Is it just a time and effort problem?

Not allowed to until we leave the EU.

So indefinitely and for the foreseeable, yet May still bangs on about sealing deals with countries outside the EU.

I'm beginning to think she's as thick as Raab, who possibly didn't know where Dover is geographically, he certainly didn't know of it's significance in terms of trade.

Geez, what a shower, still that's what you get with a Remainer for a PM.

Surely Raab has to resign rather than support this deal?

Maybe he will.

If Raab supported May's LH speech and the Tory manifesto, and all of May's pledges/promises, and being a principled MP. many would argue he should resign as opposed to supporting a proposal that clearly reneges on everything that went before, and one assumes he supported.

Jo Johnson did resign, because amongst other reasons he couldn't support May's plan, that was crystal clear in his resignation letter.

You want MP's to support May, but put Johnson on a pedestal as a hero because he resigned and didn't support May, doesn't make much sense does it?

Given some of your posts, being principled falls a long way down the list of admirable traits you value, it probably doesn't register, and one doubts if you know what it means.

Why do you say I want MPs to support May?

I have been very clear

1. The best deal is the one we already have.

2. A bad deal in turn, is only better than no deal.

3. The Tory party is a disgrace.

I could only support this deal through gritted teeth if the alternative was no deal.

[Crackie]

Helicopter123 said:

There are only three camps now: people who understand that there is no 'deal' better than the terms of membership negotiated by Margaret Thatcher & John Major; people pretending not to understand this & people who genuinely don't understand this.

Troll.

Have you read, or listened to, MT's Bruges speech yet? If not why not?

Edited by Crackie on Wednesday 14th November 17:22