The People's Vote - which way would you vote?

The People's Vote - which way would you vote?

Poll: The People's Vote - which way would you vote?

Total Members Polled: 1247

Stay as close as we are currently in the EU: 37%
Get out no with no deal, walk away bye bye: 50%
Get out now with the Chequers or similar deal: 9%
I'm not interested either way: 4%
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Discussion

powerstroke

10,283 posts

161 months

Thursday 15th November 2018
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Roboraver said:
Rightly or wrongly the population has woken up to the FACT of how bad brexit will be to their everyday lives.
woken up to how bad Oily robbins and the EUSSR's Brexit would be hopefully sense will prevail and the HOC will throw it out
and we can have a clean Brexit ...

Edited by powerstroke on Thursday 15th November 07:26

JagLover

42,461 posts

236 months

Thursday 15th November 2018
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powerstroke said:
woken up to how bad Oily robbins and the EUSSR's Brexit would be hopefully sense will prevail and the HOC will throw it out
and we can have a clean Brexit ...
It is more likely that this awful deal is being used as pretext to ask to rescind the A50 notification.


Sa Calobra

37,181 posts

212 months

Thursday 15th November 2018
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Roboraver said:
Rightly or wrongly the population has woken up to the FACT of how bad brexit will be to their everyday lives.
?

I'd say the other way. Hard Brexit is the bad way.

What was agreed gives light to those who want to stay in a broken Europe

Vanden Saab

14,143 posts

75 months

Thursday 15th November 2018
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JagLover said:
powerstroke said:
woken up to how bad Oily robbins and the EUSSR's Brexit would be hopefully sense will prevail and the HOC will throw it out
and we can have a clean Brexit ...
It is more likely that this awful deal is being used as pretext to ask to rescind the A50 notification.
Are the politicians really unaware of the ststorm that rescinding A50 will cause? I didn't think so but after seeing this deal I am really not so sure now...

Helicopter123

8,831 posts

157 months

Thursday 15th November 2018
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Sa Calobra said:
I don't think it'll get through parliament.

We face hard Brexit.
I think it will struggle too based on what I’ve read in the MSM, but the alternative is a people’s vote. There is no appetite anywhere (well, other than amongst a few on here) for the chaos of hard Brexit.

Caveat is that I’ve yet to read the agreement and will reserve judgement on it for now.

Next deadline looks like 25 Nov for the EU summit. Those wishing to resist the deal (on all sides) are working with limited time now.

Robertj21a

16,479 posts

106 months

Thursday 15th November 2018
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JagLover said:
It is more likely that this awful deal is being used as pretext to ask to rescind the A50 notification.
Ha ha !

That must be about the least likely of all the possible scenarios !!
People just want us to get out while we can.

don'tbesilly

13,939 posts

164 months

Thursday 15th November 2018
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Helicopter123 said:
Sa Calobra said:
I don't think it'll get through parliament.

We face hard Brexit.
I think it will struggle too based on what I’ve read in the MSM, but the alternative is a people’s vote. There is no appetite anywhere (well, other than amongst a few on here) for the chaos of hard Brexit.

Caveat is that I’ve yet to read the agreement and will reserve judgement on it for now.

Next deadline looks like 25 Nov for the EU summit. Those wishing to resist the deal (on all sides) are working with limited time now.
Excellent.

Looking forward to seeing the new terms of our membership from the EU.

You only need to see what May has capitulated on to know the terms won't be those that existed prior to the referendum.

Looks like everything that May has consistently said won't happen, will.

Change of the law to extend A50.
New Referendum Bill to go through the Commons/Lords.
Potential Legal challenges.
The Referendum bill will need Royal Assent to become law.
Campaigns for both Remain/Leave.
Second referendum.

So probably at least another year before the UK arrives at a decision, which could be subject to a third referendum, if the Remainers don't like the inevitable larger majority vote to Leave.

Piha

7,150 posts

93 months

Thursday 15th November 2018
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If the hard right Brexiteers don't like the PM's version of Brexit I would suggest they organise a march to show their disapproval. I wonder if they would get 500 000 + people onto the streets?

I do think it''s about time people accepted the democratic deal TM has secured from the EU and got behind our PM.

Coolbanana

4,417 posts

201 months

Thursday 15th November 2018
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Piha said:
If the hard right Brexiteers don't like the PM's version of Brexit I would suggest they organise a march to show their disapproval. I wonder if they would get 500 000 + people onto the streets?

I do think it''s about time people accepted the democratic deal TM has secured from the EU and got behind our PM.
The 'Hard Brexiters' are hypocrites though, Democracy is only for the result they want and it has to end when they get it. They expected everyone to get behind their version of Brexit but they won't want to leave their sofas to actually do anything to promote their Cause!


As predicted, now they will just whinge like squealy girlies, true to form. biggrin

don'tbesilly

13,939 posts

164 months

Thursday 15th November 2018
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Coolbanana said:
Piha said:
If the hard right Brexiteers don't like the PM's version of Brexit I would suggest they organise a march to show their disapproval. I wonder if they would get 500 000 + people onto the streets?

I do think it''s about time people accepted the democratic deal TM has secured from the EU and got behind our PM.
The 'Hard Brexiters' are hypocrites though, Democracy is only for the result they want and it has to end when they get it. They expected everyone to get behind their version of Brexit but they won't want to leave their sofas to actually do anything to promote their Cause!


As predicted, now they will just whinge like squealy girlies, true to form. biggrin
laugh

The fantasist money lender who boasted about looking forward to taking advantage of the poor and vulnerable who would require loans from his business as a result of CB's imagined predicament they'd find themselves in as a result of their vote to leave.

shoot

TaylotS2K

1,964 posts

208 months

Thursday 15th November 2018
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I've changed my mind. I now want a people's vote.

1)Accept Theresa Mays deal
2)Leave the EU on WTO terms

No point having a leave or remain option as we already had that in 2016.

p1stonhead

25,577 posts

168 months

Thursday 15th November 2018
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TaylotS2K said:
I've changed my mind. I now want a people's vote.

1)Accept Theresa Mays deal
2)Leave the EU on WTO terms

No point having a leave or remain option as we already had that in 2016.
We dont need one. That is the choice which will go before parliament presumably.

Although TM did say 'no brexit' was an option last night...

Piha

7,150 posts

93 months

Thursday 15th November 2018
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don'tbesilly said:
Coolbanana said:
Piha said:
If the hard right Brexiteers don't like the PM's version of Brexit I would suggest they organise a march to show their disapproval. I wonder if they would get 500 000 + people onto the streets?

I do think it''s about time people accepted the democratic deal TM has secured from the EU and got behind our PM.
The 'Hard Brexiters' are hypocrites though, Democracy is only for the result they want and it has to end when they get it. They expected everyone to get behind their version of Brexit but they won't want to leave their sofas to actually do anything to promote their Cause!


As predicted, now they will just whinge like squealy girlies, true to form. biggrin
laugh

The fantasist money lender who boasted about looking forward to taking advantage of the poor and vulnerable who would require loans from his business as a result of CB's imagined predicament they'd find themselves in as a result of their vote to leave.

shoot
Maybe you should organise that Hard Brexiteer protest march Don'tBesilly? As it appears the Governments Brexit negotiating team did notice the will of the people!

roflroflroflroflrofl

Helicopter123

8,831 posts

157 months

Thursday 15th November 2018
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Raab gone.

Peoples Vote getting ever closer.

don'tbesilly

13,939 posts

164 months

Thursday 15th November 2018
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Helicopter123 said:
Raab gone.

Peoples Vote getting ever closer.
Looking forward to it.

The majority vote to Leave will dwarf the one that went before.

Trophy Husband

3,924 posts

108 months

Thursday 15th November 2018
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don'tbesilly said:
Helicopter123 said:
Sa Calobra said:
I don't think it'll get through parliament.

We face hard Brexit.
I think it will struggle too based on what I’ve read in the MSM, but the alternative is a people’s vote. There is no appetite anywhere (well, other than amongst a few on here) for the chaos of hard Brexit.

Caveat is that I’ve yet to read the agreement and will reserve judgement on it for now.

Next deadline looks like 25 Nov for the EU summit. Those wishing to resist the deal (on all sides) are working with limited time now.
Excellent.

Looking forward to seeing the new terms of our membership from the EU.

You only need to see what May has capitulated on to know the terms won't be those that existed prior to the referendum.

Looks like everything that May has consistently said won't happen, will.

Change of the law to extend A50.
New Referendum Bill to go through the Commons/Lords.
Potential Legal challenges.
The Referendum bill will need Royal Assent to become law.
Campaigns for both Remain/Leave.
Second referendum.

So probably at least another year before the UK arrives at a decision, which could be subject to a third referendum, if the Remainers don't like the inevitable larger majority vote to Leave.
Why do you assume that a larger majority to leave is likely if there is a second referendum? I'm just interested in how you can draw this conclusion when nobody knows what the future of the UK is at this moment.

If people were told that leaving the EU would damage the UK economy, employment, the pound in their pocket, their families future, the value of their pound abroad etc for the next 30 years and it was substantiated with hard facts, do you really think people would still vote to leave? If so, what would be the justification for such a vote? I'd like to know.



Edited by Trophy Husband on Thursday 15th November 09:44

psi310398

9,135 posts

204 months

Thursday 15th November 2018
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Helicopter123 said:
Raab gone.

Peoples Vote Proper Brexit getting ever closer.
There you go, Budgie, FTFY.

Tick tock and all that. A50 timing out, no time much to do anything else that actually requires co-ordination, agreement or legislation.

Still, all's well that ends well.

Tuna

19,930 posts

285 months

Thursday 15th November 2018
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Why would the EU accept the People's Vote when we've just made them a better offer?

don'tbesilly

13,939 posts

164 months

Thursday 15th November 2018
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Trophy Husband said:
don'tbesilly said:
Helicopter123 said:
Sa Calobra said:
I don't think it'll get through parliament.

We face hard Brexit.
I think it will struggle too based on what I’ve read in the MSM, but the alternative is a people’s vote. There is no appetite anywhere (well, other than amongst a few on here) for the chaos of hard Brexit.

Caveat is that I’ve yet to read the agreement and will reserve judgement on it for now.

Next deadline looks like 25 Nov for the EU summit. Those wishing to resist the deal (on all sides) are working with limited time now.
Excellent.

Looking forward to seeing the new terms of our membership from the EU.

You only need to see what May has capitulated on to know the terms won't be those that existed prior to the referendum.

Looks like everything that May has consistently said won't happen, will.

Change of the law to extend A50.
New Referendum Bill to go through the Commons/Lords.
Potential Legal challenges.
The Referendum bill will need Royal Assent to become law.
Campaigns for both Remain/Leave.
Second referendum.

So probably at least another year before the UK arrives at a decision, which could be subject to a third referendum, if the Remainers don't like the inevitable larger majority vote to Leave.
Why do you assume that a larger majority to leave is likely if there is a second referendum? I'm just interested in how you can draw this conclusion when nobody knows what the future of the UK is at this moment.

If people were told that leaving the EU would damage the UK economy, employment, the ound in their pocket, their families future, the value of their pound abroad etc for the next 30 years and it was substantiated with hard facts, do you really think people would still vote to leave? If so, what would be the justification for such a vote? I'd like to know.
You seemed to have outlined what the Remain campaign predicted would happen 30 odd months ago if the UK voted to leave in the referendum of 2016.

I think most are still waiting for the majority of what was predicted to happen, to actually happen.


anonymous-user

55 months

Thursday 15th November 2018
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Trophy Husband said:
Why do you assume that a larger majority to leave is likely if there is a second referendum? I'm just interested in how you can draw this conclusion when nobody knows what the future of the UK is at this moment.

If people were told that leaving the EU would damage the UK economy, employment, the pound in their pocket, their families future, the value of their pound abroad etc for the next 30 years and it was substantiated with hard facts, do you really think people would still vote to leave? If so, what would be the justification for such a vote? I'd like to know.



Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 15th November 09:44
They were told all that before. It didn’t happen. Why should they believe it this time?

In any case, many of the people who voted to leave would be little worse off if what you outline did happen. Which is why we arrived here in the first place.



Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 15th November 09:57