The People's Vote - which way would you vote?

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Channel 4 8pm;

Brexit - What the nation really thinks.

This apparently is an independent survey of attitudes across the UK also with a live audience.

Will be interesting to see which way the mood swings

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don'tbesilly said:

The end result for May & the Tories will be worse that that occurred back in 2017, when May followed bad/the wrong advice and the Tories lost their majority, this time they'll lose any GE, resulting in something far worse than Brexit itself.

Yep, whichever you look at the vote and the result we’ll end up with a st deal either way and with Corbyn and chums in the driving seat......

The second thought makes me shudder even more so than a bad deal!

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Tannedbaldhead said:

Helicopter123 said:

Tannedbaldhead said:

A tactical game is starting to be played. Remain supporting politicians are boyed up by the slight swing in public opinion polls and starting to cause trouble.

EU negotiators are wise to this and will hold out for the sttiest deal possible.

Looking at the numbers, Remainers will remain, Principled Brexiteers who believe in Brexit will stick by their guns but self interested pragmatists will shift.

I'm one of the last lot. If I thought I'd be better off with Brexit I'd be off like a shot. Sadly I'm in an industry that has already suffered badly from the economic uncertainty, the fall in the pound and shortages of skills we accessed from EU Labour.

I've been told we need to suffer a hard decade to see light at the end of the tunnel. My problem is that I'm in my mid 50s. The next decade is my chance to pile money into my pension for a comfortable retirement and when it comes to the crunch I'm not planning to jeopardise that.

The longer things go badly the more people like me will think "fek this" particularly if it hits out pockets hard. This is an attitude vote chasing MPs with their fingers on the pulse will be paying attention to and will eventually pander to.

A few months ago I was certain Brexit was a certainty, a done deal and was looking at ways to make the best of it. Now I see it as a probabilty but also see a second vote as an outside possibility.

Brexiteers in the know are very aware this. They are also aware a second referendum may very well go the other way. Those who say it will never happen just need to look to the warnings of many of their leaders.

Good post, and you are far from alone. Have you written to your MP with your thoughts?

In a wider sense, it does appear that the pragmatists are walking away from an ideological Brexit that leaves then financially poorer.

I have. As part of an industry body.
His reaction is whilst Brexit is Brexit it can't be a Brexit that costs. A trade and industry friendy agreement should be the priority.

If you go onto UKIP politician's websites you'll notice the word pragmatist is a dirty word. At the moment Dominic Raab is the Antichrist.
His problem is they feel is is one of the many Leavers who have been "knobbled".
Basically they meet business owners, industrialists and the banks who tell them how they are being effected and how they may be effected in the future if a business friendly deal doesn't go through.
Then the Treasury runs through the figures, the consequences to tax takes, spending and borrowing while the campaigners focussed on keeping power make these Leavers aware of how an economy suffering would effect The Conservative Party in the polls and any future elections.
What's scary is a lot of Kippers are talking about taking us needing to be able to take a big economic hit and "Dunkirk Spirit" our way through it.

Edited by Tannedbaldhead on Saturday 10th November 12:37

When I said much the same some days ago, I’m also mid-fifties and have a small company with a dozen employees regardless of the fact I am concerned about their welfare I was pretty much told to shut up you Remoaner

I still can’t believe we are doing what we are doing to our country and the effect it will possibly have financially for some may be a bit of a shock. 10 years of st.....try telling those who struggle already it’s a wise move and see what reaction you get.

When it all goes tits up the Brexiteers will simply blame everyone else as they appear to be doing at the moment.

Stand up and shout, play your cards and get the brexit you want (or simply moan it’s not going well and it’s all May’s fault.....)

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Perhaps she should call a GE and if Corbyn won that would then add a very interesting angle to this second vote discussion.

Would everyone who thinks May is a tt then think Corbyn is a saviour because I keep reading it’s the end of the conservatives but Labour are desperate for a second vote.